Originally Posted by notdeadyet
Grzim, you seem intelligent so let's discuss it. (Billd, you seem too bitter to understand the issue but try to keep up)
I posted it in both ski & Snowboard areas to see what different types of responses the statement would get.
I agree with you 100% regarding the need for education.
I made such an attempt earlier today. It didn't go so well. I skied away utterly dejected that today's youth could speak like that to a fellow skier or anyone for that matter. Skiing used to be a gentleman's sport. It still is. I'm not sure what snowboarding wants to be about but it seems to be somewhere between hip-hop and 3rd grade.
I also have trouble with the idea that maybe they "just don't know any better." Any 10yr old has enough common sense to know you shouldn't sit down in the middle of a busy ski run.
Years ago when skiers outnumbered snowboarders, the boarders were polite and I didn't mind sharing the hill with them at all. Now that there are more boarders than skiers there seems to be an ever growing percentage of them that have this attitude that they can do whatever they want regardless of how it may affect others.
I do recognize that it seems to be the younger (I'm estimating 15 to 17) boarders causing the trouble. Hey, we were all young once, right. Not even close. As a young skier I was taught over and over about the dangers of stopping or falling mid-run. Are the new snowboarders getting this message from instructors and just deciding to ignore it?
Maybe it's a reflection of leadership. The men and women I learned to ski from were and are pilars in society. Responsible, kind and respectfull people. Snowboarding seems to attract a different type of person than does skiing but you'd still think if there was solid leadership the newcomers wouldn't be doing this.
Maybe snowboarding is easier to figure out than skiing so a smaller percentage of them are ever exposed to qualified instructors via lessons and are just following the behavior of the masses.
All I know is that it is getting out of hand & I would like to find a way to politely educate the masses but it's hard to know what to say to a group that can't figure this out on their own.
P.S. ever been to Alta?
New people to our sport haven't been taught the the customs of riding on the mountains. Many snowboarders are young kids and are often self -taught . They just need to be educated.
When I was brought up I had many lessons and came form a skiing family I got my peer training from my father and brother and it was second nature.
Many of these newcomers don'tcome from the skiing base of experience and come from a skateboarding and online skating form. These sports have little rules except right of way and they don't know the nuances unless someone takes the time to explain it to them .
When I see kids doing unsafe things ,like sitting below a rise or drop in elevation I try to explain them the hazaards of their doing so.
Maybe if we treat them respecfully and from the understanding that they might just be uninformed and not social deviants we can educate them one kid at a time.
I think the resorts should post more common sense rules at the top of runs to refresh them in the minds of their patrons.
As far as Alta I have not skiied there and was planning to but I noticed they don't allow snowboarders . I planned to go but we will go elsewhere since my daughter is my snow buddy and she is a snowboarder. .I am an hour plane ride from SLC and want to try the nearby resorts. That was the source of that comment.
I think your points are well taken and skiers do the same things and I fear for hitting one on the steeper slopes when I ski through the drops and don't stop for the view or whatever. Often skiers ski the black runs just to say they did but spend more time halting and grouping because they lack the skills to do the runs effectively
I don't blame them or feel angered by their presence but it is a hazard . We just have to deal with it since that is how it is at resorts skiing the on- piste runs
.What goes for skiers applies for the snowboarder also