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post #31 of 52
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Originally Posted by mtbakerskier View Post
Are you math impaired? The number one reason resorts install highspeed lifts is more skiers per hour (maintance etc does play a role).
Actually my math is excellent. There are other threads that explains the math on this common misconception. We don't need to get into it here. Hint every 6 seconds. :

Paul Jones did have a good point about a friendly mountain becomes a competitive free-for-all.

Bring on the high speed lifts. I like them. That said I made sure I went to Alta before the change over to high speed lifts. On occasion, I go out of my way to ride an old 1960s lift.

Anymore high speed lifts out there including Gondolas?
post #32 of 52
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Originally Posted by catskills View Post

On occasion, I go out of my way to ride an old 1960s lift.
Go try the red chair at Magic Mt.
post #33 of 52
these lifts turn the lifties job into mountain greeter, traffic patrolman matchmaker. Quite frankly I prefer the qusts to be on the downhill side since it makes wrapping a smoke a bitter experience with environmental degradation, Unburnt tobacco,
I still seed my clouds without wings and hope that I quit before I earn them.
My skills with the two seat chair ski In will be lost to the mechanizations if this goes too far.
Empty six packs now there;'s a whole new topic that has potential
I mean different seating arrangements seem in line here. And they are quite good for the recline effect. v.varmit
post #34 of 52
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Originally Posted by v.varmit View Post
Quite frankly I prefer the qusts to be on the downhill side since it makes wrapping a smoke a bitter experience with environmental degradation, Unburnt tobacco,
I still seed my clouds without wings and hope that I quit before I earn them.
My skills with the two seat chair ski In will be lost to the mechanizations if this goes too far.
Uh... Alrighty then.
post #35 of 52
Skiers don't want to spend "dawn to dusk" hours skiing enough runs that satisfy their desire they got their moneys worth. Resorts with developed commercial base areas probably prefer skiers to get worn out early ,get off the hill and spend some money in the bars, shops, and restaurants. High speeds better facilitate this happening.

No argument that runs get tracked out earlier on powder days and skied off quicker when groomed , but nothing is worse than riding a pokey lift on a cold blustery day. My home area's longest run (750 vert ft.) is a 12 1/2 minute lift ride back up. Lousy lift ride to skiing ratio.
post #36 of 52
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Originally Posted by mtbakerskier View Post
Are you math impaired?...
No he's actualy not. Without dregging too much into the past, a HSQ loads every 6 sec, same as the FGQ. Capacity is the same, theoretically. In reality, the HSQ is better because there are less line stops (easier to load and unload).

Powdr
post #37 of 52
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
Or a Snowboarder?
What a disaster that would be!

The snowboarders are the only thing keeping the kitten population in check. Kind of a lynx/hare relationship.

If the boarder numbers were to decrease we would have a kitten explosion on our hands of biblical proportions. Have you seen the Star Trek episode with the Tribbles? Same idea but with kittens.
post #38 of 52

2006 Ski Lift Installations

There is a 2006 ski lift installations thread at www.skilifts.org by Skier "Possible new lifts for Summer 2006" http://www.skiliftforum.com/index.php?showtopic=3613

Skier posted the following information on 6/12/06:

Here is the final list of lifts for this summer

1 Bear Creek, Pennsylvania DoppelmayrCTEC Quad F
2 Beaver Creek, Colorado DoppelmayrCTEC Pulse Gondola Riverfront Gondola
3 Belleyare Mountain, New York DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Quad Superchief Express
4 Buck Hill, Minnesota DoppelmayrCTEC Quad Quad
5 Deer Valley, Utah DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Quad Sterling Express
6 Jackson Hole, Wyoming DoppelmayrCTEC Double Headwall
7 King Pine, New Hampshire DoppelmayrCTEC Triple Black Bear
8 Mount Bachelor, Oregon DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Quad Pine Marten Express
9 Mount Baker, Washington DoppelmayrCTEC Quad Chair 3
10 Northstar-at-Tahoe, California DoppelmayrCTEC Platter Platter
11 Northstar-at-Tahoe, California DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Six/Gondola 8 Big Springs Express
12 OHSU, Oregon DoppelmayrCTEC Tram OHSU Tram
13 Park City, Utah DoppelmayrCTEC Triple Spiro
14 Powder Mountain, Utah DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Quad Hidden Lake Express
15 Silver Star, British Columbia DoppelmayrCTEC Quad Alpine Meadows
16 Ski Bromont, Quebec DoppelmayrCTEC Quad Chair 7
17 Ski Liberty, Pennsylvania DoppelmayrCTEC Quad
18 Ski Roundtop, Pennsylvania DoppelmayrCTEC Triple Robling
19 Snowbird, Utah DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Quad Peruvian Express
20 Snowshoe, West Virginia DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Quad Soaring Exgle Express
21 Spanish Peaks, Montana DoppelmayrCTEC Triple Cabin
22 Spanish Peaks, Montana DoppelmayrCTEC Platter Elk Ridge A
23 Spanish Peaks, Montana DoppelmayrCTEC Surface Elk Ridge B
24 Sun Peaks, British Columbia DoppelmayrCTEC Quad
25 Texas Fairgrounds DoppelmayrCTEC 8 Passenger Gondola Skyride
26 The Canyons, Utah DoppelmayrCTEC Quad Dreamcatcher
27 The Canyons, Utah DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Six Tombstone Express
28 Whistler, British Columbia DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Quad Piccolo Express
29 Windham, New York DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Quad G
30 Wolf Creek, Colorado DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Quad Raven Express
31 Wolf Laurel, North Carolina DoppelmayrCTEC Quad Breakaway Village
32 Bear Valley, California Leitner-Poma High Speed Quad Polar Express
33 Big White, British Columbia Leitner-Poma High Speed Six Snow Ghost Express
34 Blue Mountain, Pennsylvania Leitner-Poma High Speed Six Challenge Express
35 Breckenridge, Colorado Leitner-Poma 8 Passenger Gondola Breckenridge Gondola
36 Crested Butte, Colorado Leitner-Poma High Speed Quad East River Express
37 Snowmass, Colorado Leitner-Poma 8 Passenger Gondola Elk Camp Gondola
38 Stowe, Vermont Leitner-Poma Cabriolet 4 Cabriolet
39 Snowmass, Colorado Leitner-Poma Quad Assay Hill
40 49┬░North, Washington Used Quad Sunrise Basin
41 Beaver Mountain, Utah Used Triple Harry's Dream
42 Castle Mountain, Alberta Used Triple Mount Haig
43 Catamount, New York Used Quad Summit
44 Hawksnest, North Carolina Used Double Easiest
45 Marquette Mountain, Michigan Used Triple Snowfield
46 Northstar-at-Tahoe, California Used Triple Pioneer
47 Park City, Utah Used Triple Silver Star
48 Steamboat, Colorado Used High Speed Quad Sunshine Express
49 Windham, New York Used Triple C
50 Winter Park, Colorado Used Triple Parsenn Bowl

DoppelmayrCTEC 30 Lifts 79%
Leitner-Poma 8 Lifts 21%
Used 11 Lifts
post #39 of 52

2005 Ski Lift Construction Survey

There also is a Lift Construction Survey - North America posted for each year at Home : Chairlifts : Installations : North America www.skilifts.org/install_na.htm. Check back at www.skilifts.org after the January 2007 issue of Ski Area Management is published with the Annual Lift Construction Survey to see the official numbers.


The 2005 Lift Installation Survey www.skilifts.org/install_na2005.htm looks like this:

2005 Chairlift Installations - North America

The 2005 Lift Installation Survey was gathered from SAM Magazine.

Quick Links:
East : Mountain : Pacific : Canada


Resort Name Type Manufacturer HP Length Vert. Cap. Speed
MARYLAND
Wisp Chair 6 4C Doppelmayr CTEC 125 2041 320 2400 375
Wisp Chair 7 4C Doppelmayr CTEC 200 2264 450 220. 375

MASSACHUSETTS
Ski Butternut Cruiser 4C Doppelmayr CTEC 125 2078 416 1800 400

NEW YORK
Willard Mountain Lift A 2C Partek 100 1428 447 1200 450
Windham Mountain K Lift 3C Doppelmayr CTEC 30 457 50 1200 350

VERMONT
Bolton Valley Vista Bowl 4C Doppelmayr CTEC 200 4389 955 1400 450
Burke Mountain Sherburne Express 4C-Det. Leitner-Poma 400 3807 563 2400 1000
Quechee Quad 4C Doppelmayr CTEC 200 2630 597 1800 450
Stowe Big Spruce Express 4C-Det. Leitner-Poma 700 5889 1454 2400 1100


Resort Name Type Manufacturer HP Length Vert. Cap. Speed
COLORADO
Aspen Highlands Deep Temerity 3C Leitner-Poma 300 3683 1708 1085 500
Beaver Creek Larkspur Express 4C-Det. Doppelmayr CTEC 700 5633 1524 2600 1000
Breckenridge Imperial Express 4C-Det. Leitner-Poma 400 2174 939 1800 1000
Crested Butte West Wall 4C Leitner-Poma 150 1741 469 1800 450
Snowmass Village Express 6C-Det. Leitner-Poma 1200 10074 2174 3000 1050
Snowmass Sky Cab Pulse Gondola Leitner-Poma 150 1088 160 530 85
Winter Park Super Gauge Express 6C-Det. Leitner-Poma 1000 6913 1771 3200 1000

IDAHO
Tamarack Wildwood Express 4C-Det. Doppelmayr CTEC 700 5417 1625 2400 1000
Tamarack Whitewater 4C Doppelmayr CTEC 75 2405 331 2400 500

MONTANA
Spanish Peaks Lewis & Clark 4C-Det. Doppelmayr CTEC 400 4145 715 1600 886
Spanish Peaks Sacajawea 3C Doppelmayr CTEC 125 2638 538 1200 500
Spanish Peaks Canbin 3C Doppelmayr CTEC 40 1691 136 1200 500
Spanish Peaks Lift C Platter Doppelmayr CTEC 15 768 25 121 450
Spanish Peaks Elk Ridge Platter Doppelmayr CTEC 15 1250 50 129 450

NEW MEXICO
Santa Fe Millennium 3C Leitner-Poma 500 5746 1525 1800 500

UTAH
Deer Valley Sultan Express 4C-Det. Doppelmayr CTEC 700 4995 1752 2400 1000
Solitude Moonbeam 3C Doppelmayr CTEC 250 3379 675 2400 425


Resort Name Type Manufacturer HP Length Vert. Cap. Speed
CALIFORNIA
Alpine Meadows Sherwood Express 4C-Det. Doppelmayr CTEC 400 3464 943 2000 1000
Kirkwood Timber Creek Express 4C-Det. Doppelmayr CTEC 400 2767 480 2400 1000
Sugar Bowl Christmas Tree Express 4C-Det. Doppelmayr CTEC 400 2014 505 2400 1000

WASHINGTON
City of Spokane Scenic Ride Pulse Gondola Doppelmayr CTEC 200 1120 104 630 600


Resort Name Type Manufacturer HP Length Vert. Cap. Speed
BRITISH COLUMBIA
Silver Star Silver Woods Express 4C-Det. Leitner-Poma 500 4055 1177 2400 1000

ONTARIO
Blue Mountain Big Baby 4C Leitner-Poma 81 1309 245 2400 394
Hidden Valley Highlands Algonquin 4C Doppelmayr CTEC 100 1221 279 1600 453

QUEBEC
Mont Cascade N/A 4C Doppelmayr CTEC 150 2260 417 2000 453
Ski Bromont Versant des Cantonts 4C Doppelmayr CTEC 300 5167 920 2000 453
post #40 of 52
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Originally Posted by ski03 View Post
There is a 2006 ski lift installations thread at www.skilifts.org by Skier "Possible new lifts for Summer 2006" http://www.skiliftforum.com/index.php?showtopic=3613

DoppelmayrCTEC 30 Lifts 79%
Leitner-Poma 8 Lifts 21%
Used 11 Lifts
Ski03 Nice find. Just to update the list

1 Bear Creek, Pennsylvania DoppelmayrCTEC Quad F
2 Beaver Creek, Colorado DoppelmayrCTEC Pulse Gondola Riverfront Gondola
3 Belleyare Mountain, New York DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Quad Superchief Express
4 Buck Hill, Minnesota DoppelmayrCTEC Quad Quad
5 Deer Valley, Utah DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Quad Sterling Express
6 Jackson Hole, Wyoming DoppelmayrCTEC Double Headwall
7 King Pine, New Hampshire DoppelmayrCTEC Triple Black Bear
8 Mount Bachelor, Oregon DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Quad Pine Marten Express
9 Mount Baker, Washington DoppelmayrCTEC Quad Chair 3
10 Northstar-at-Tahoe, California DoppelmayrCTEC Platter Platter
11 Northstar-at-Tahoe, California DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Six/Gondola 8 Big Springs Express
12 OHSU, Oregon DoppelmayrCTEC Tram OHSU Tram
13 Park City, Utah DoppelmayrCTEC Triple Spiro
14 Powder Mountain, Utah DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Quad Hidden Lake Express
15 Silver Star, British Columbia DoppelmayrCTEC Quad Alpine Meadows
16 Ski Bromont, Quebec DoppelmayrCTEC Quad Chair 7
17 Ski Liberty, Pennsylvania DoppelmayrCTEC Quad
18 Ski Roundtop, Pennsylvania DoppelmayrCTEC Triple Robling
19 Snowbird, Utah DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Quad Peruvian Express
20 Snowshoe, West Virginia DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Quad Soaring Exgle Express
21 Spanish Peaks, Montana DoppelmayrCTEC Triple Cabin
22 Spanish Peaks, Montana DoppelmayrCTEC Platter Elk Ridge A
23 Spanish Peaks, Montana DoppelmayrCTEC Surface Elk Ridge B
24 Sun Peaks, British Columbia DoppelmayrCTEC Quad
25 Texas Fairgrounds DoppelmayrCTEC 8 Passenger Gondola Skyride
26 The Canyons, Utah DoppelmayrCTEC Quad Dreamcatcher
27 The Canyons, Utah DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Six Tombstone Express
28 Whistler, British Columbia DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Quad Piccolo Express
29 Windham, New York DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Quad G
30 Wolf Creek, Colorado DoppelmayrCTEC High Speed Quad Raven Express
31 Wolf Laurel, North Carolina DoppelmayrCTEC Quad Breakaway Village
32 Bear Valley, California Leitner-Poma High Speed Quad Polar Express
33 Big White, British Columbia Leitner-Poma High Speed Six Snow Ghost Express
34 Blue Mountain, Pennsylvania Leitner-Poma High Speed Six Challenge Express
35 Breckenridge, Colorado Leitner-Poma 8 Passenger Gondola Breckenridge Gondola
36 Crested Butte, Colorado Leitner-Poma High Speed Quad East River Express
37 Snowmass, Colorado Leitner-Poma 8 Passenger Gondola Elk Camp Gondola
38 Stowe, Vermont Leitner-Poma Cabriolet 4 Cabriolet
39 Snowmass, Colorado Leitner-Poma Quad Assay Hill
40 49┬░North, Washington Used Quad Sunrise Basin
41 Beaver Mountain, Utah Used Triple Harry's Dream
42 Castle Mountain, Alberta Used Triple Mount Haig
43 Catamount, New York Used Quad Summit
44 Hawksnest, North Carolina Used Double Easiest
45 Marquette Mountain, Michigan Used Triple Snowfield
46 Northstar-at-Tahoe, California Used Triple Pioneer
47 Park City, Utah Used Triple Silver Star
48 Steamboat, Colorado Used High Speed Quad Sunshine Express
49 Windham, New York Used Triple C
50 Windham, New York High Speed Quad G-Lift
51 Winter Park, Colorado Used Triple Parsenn Bowl
post #41 of 52
Please note that the 2006 Ski Lift Installations thread by Skier from skilifts.org is sorted by manufacturer:

DoppelmayrCTEC (lifts #1-31)

Leitner-Poma (lifts #32-39)

used (lifts #40-50)

so your local resort could show up in three different places in this thread. Also, this thread was from 6/12/06 so there probably have been some additions/changes to this list.
post #42 of 52
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Originally Posted by catskills View Post
Actually my math is excellent. There are other threads that explains the math on this common misconception. We don't need to get into it here. Hint every 6 seconds. :

Paul Jones did have a good point about a friendly mountain becomes a competitive free-for-all.

Bring on the high speed lifts. I like them. That said I made sure I went to Alta before the change over to high speed lifts. On occasion, I go out of my way to ride an old 1960s lift.

Anymore high speed lifts out there including Gondolas?
That only holds true if your talking a fixed grip quad to a highspeed quad.

If your going from a double to a quad it isnt correct.
post #43 of 52
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Originally Posted by mtbakerskier View Post
Am I the only that feels that with every new highspeed lift a little bit of skiings soul dies?

Meh, it really depends where.

High speed lift that gives access to a bunch of steep groomers to lap when it hasn't snowed in a while = $$$$

High speed lift up the ridge at bridger bowl = the devil.

In fact, I'm sad that any lift is going to be going all the way up the ridge at bridger, but if you think there is any inherent soul in a lift just because it moves slower, gimmie a break. Doing 10 laps an hour an Aspen Mountain's nice long steep groomers with tons of rollers is unbeatable for when the snow sucks.
post #44 of 52
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Originally Posted by MAGGOT View Post
Meh, it really depends where.

High speed lift that gives access to a bunch of steep groomers to lap when it hasn't snowed in a while = $$$$

High speed lift up the ridge at bridger bowl = the devil.

In fact, I'm sad that any lift is going to be going all the way up the ridge at bridger, but if you think there is any inherent soul in a lift just because it moves slower, gimmie a break. Doing 10 laps an hour an Aspen Mountain's nice long steep groomers with tons of rollers is unbeatable for when the snow sucks.
Howabout skiing somewhere where the snow doesnt suck
post #45 of 52
I'm a bout on the verge of getting out of N jersey, since all the snow getting sucked out of here , between the planes flying in such numbers from all the awful airports in the tri and more state area bringing people here and there. Maybe to that Dubai snoworld so as, I know what to expect when they build that one for the Giants games in the meadowlands
that one list with #25 the sky ride in texas fairgrounds has got to be keeping things easy in the southwest though.
I do figure to riding several soon enough, an excellent compilation guys.
don't suck, snow until it runs off too hard, straws were developed for this.
muy bien v.varmit
post #46 of 52
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Originally Posted by mtbakerskier View Post
That only holds true if your talking a fixed grip quad to a highspeed quad.

If your going from a double to a quad it isnt correct.
Yup you got me there. Four is larger than two. MAth is tricky that way. Seriously, Mtbakerskier you may have a good point. Maybe this is my problem. It sounds like many people hear "detachable high speed lift" and they are thinking double or triple fixed grip being replaced with a high speed detachable quad, six, or even an eight pack chair. If that is the case then yes the high speed detachable would equate to more folks per chair, higher lift capacity, and definitly more skiers/riders per square foot on the trails.
post #47 of 52
It's a variable on the spacing of the chairs in use predetermined by mountain ops probably, for the traffic of the daythey have any ability tosqueeze more chairs in up to the capacity of the system they ?we are paying for. That's why the corral and maize system has to be such a large funnel to shuttle us up effectively, your comments on slow to line up types indicate. Alta two seaters always had a well rounded lift staff since they rotate their duties too'.
On a great visit to 49 degrees north I found their chair closest to the lodge had a most interesting mid mountain load station. that gave the wires a very lively feel and edges were de'rigour on the uphill at the busy times that day. And the ski patrol their do seem attentive andparticularly attuned to their lifts. I found the place to be a very tight knight family feel to it. I sure wish that their were a forum that were more review directed on a mountain specific basis only. I know we can just search and I'm not that far from gathering my thoughts either. must be fun eav.
post #48 of 52
There is a new one at wolf creek but they didn't get it open for thanksgiving it is going to open about the first of december
http://www.wolfcreekski.com/
I think they replaced the wrong lift
post #49 of 52
Wow! All this talk about high-speed lifts has got me all excited! I might just sell all my skis so I can go around to different resorts and ride their new super-duper mega-capacity lifts!! Wouldn't it be great if resorts started building Starbuck's at the top of every lift!!:

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Originally Posted by mtbakerskier View Post
Am I the only that feels that with every new highspeed lift a little bit of skiings soul dies?
post #50 of 52
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
"Everytime a ski area adds a High Speed Quad, God kills a _____"

Please fill in the blank.
slow chair that needs replacing
post #51 of 52
a script that he lifted from the outbox, or encore'old style until it is complete and previewed. .firmament baby.
post #52 of 52
There was an earlier post that mentioned something about management wanting high speed lifts so that they could deliver more skiers up the hill. The real bottom line is that skiers like them and will go places that have them instead of fixed grip regardless of the capacity.
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