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Copper last weekend

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Had my first outing of the year last weekend with three days at Copper. Saturday and Sunday were a bit busy, but for early November, the snow was great.

The lines were incredibly long for the American Eagle, so I spent most of the time in the singles line at the Flyer. Yeah, it is all green terrian but I was happy just to keep making laps getting my legs for the season. There was also a glade open to the skiers left about 1/3 of the way down that provided a nice diversion each run. (Except for the three semi-buried logs I encountered)

I did make a couple of trips up to the Storm King when it was open. Once on the top, one could do laps on the Excelerator until the lines got too long. Then it was back to the Flyer.

The only complaint I had started out to be another snowboarder/etiquette rehashing of the same old issues. The snowboarders obviously did not know the meaning of "alternate" in the lift line. This is not a new phenomonen, but bothers me none the less. What was suprising was the number of locals, or at least season pass holder skiers such as myself that also have not grasped the concept of alternating in the lift line.

The problem was especially prevelant in the horrific maze they have at the Eagle lift. Every time I was in the line, at least one group would pull out directly behind the group in front of them. I even made a couple of snide remarks, but they were obviously ignored or not comprehended.

MEMO TO SNOWBOARDERS AND IDIOT SKIERS... Alternating is not rocket science. If the person or group in front of you moves into the lane, then you are NOT next. You are after the group to your right or left. It is a very simple concept.

Come'on people. I expect this from the the snowboard crowd, but not the local passholders. You are better than that.
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Pictures?????
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matt7180, sorry we missed you while we were there! I was out in uniform (red/orange OHG) on Saturday skiing both the Flyer and Eagle, then out on Sunday (blue jacket, red helmet) with our own Weems (white puffball) and Notorious Spag (black PSIA vest), skiing the Eagle, Excelerator, and Storm King. While the lines were long, we managed to stay in the pretty short ones, and took breaks at the right times (just before and after lunch for most skiers).

FWIW, I didn't see the blatant non-alternating that you did. I think maybe once, but the kids that did that were Summit Team racers... :

Glad you had fun! With the snow yesterday, it's bound to be even better. I haven't heard if they've opened more terrain, but it can't be long now...
post #4 of 16
It amazes me every year the growing number of people that don't understand the alternating concept in a lift line. Its a concept that is lost on the youth of America.
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Pictures?????
I had the camera, but my wife put in rechargable batteries and they were dead. Forgot to bring it out the following two days.
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I haven't heard if they've opened more terrain, but it can't be long now...
The snowmakers were going full blast under the Timberline express, on Skid Road over to the Super Bee, and on Coppertone. With the new snow, they should all be close. Also, there were many runs that looked like they were very close to having enough coverage to be open. I have skied much worse in the spring!
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Cool. I'll let you know when I start getting the patrol reports. First guide days are next Tue/Wed.
post #8 of 16
That was a fun weekend.

On alternating...this is often a young folks thing, and it is world wide. I learned in Europe and in auto traffic to just go when it's your turn. They'll get it. If they say anything you can 1) ignore or 2) say, "The word is 'alternate'. Look it up."

I thought people were nice though. Really cheerful and happy to be on skis.

And the Traffic Control people at Copper were really friendly when we inadvertently followed one of our criminal friends into a "slightly" closed area. (Was I supposed to tell that story?)

I must be getting old though. They used to stop me for speeding. I wanted to come up to them and say, "Hey, can't you see how dangerous I am?" This is embarrassing.
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matt7180, sorry we missed you while we were there!
I have been reluctant to try and make contact with any of you more experienced bears for fear of being humbled from a skiing standpoint. I am an old (only 40) fat (but still athletic) guy who sometimes gets to chattering too fast on the groomers and loves the trees (even though I fall down quite a bit in them!) I do not ski the bumps, chutes, or anything with more than on black diamond associated with it. Also, I had a buddy with me who is still learning in his second year.

That being said, I need to realize that I don't have to ski with you guys. It would just be nice to say hello and put a name with a face. That way, the next time you are riding the lift and see a fat guy with a pewter/balck TNF mountain light jacket and short Scream Pilot extra hots miss his turn and fall down in the trees you can point him out and say "there goes Matt" and then laugh.

My wife and I will be sking next week, probably thursday through saturday at either WP or Copper. If we go to Copper, I will keep an eye out for you.
post #10 of 16
matt, don't let that stop you, ever!. I'm older than you (45), and Weems is downright ancient!

I'd love to meet you and make a few turns. Perhaps even show you some of my favorite spots on the mountain that meet your desires... I'll definitely be there on Tue/Wed, meeting on-snow in front of Jacks a bit before 9am. Or in Jack's at 8:30. I'll be wearing a red helmet...
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And the Traffic Control people at Copper were really friendly when we inadvertently followed one of our criminal friends into a "slightly" closed area. (Was I supposed to tell that story?)

I must be getting old though. They used to stop me for speeding. I wanted to come up to them and say, "Hey, can't you see how dangerous I am?" This is embarrassing.
Hmmm... was that the guy who asked me, "Where are you a vollie?" :

That was the run where I got the core shot after they opened it... Reminds me... I need to go get my newly repaired skis...
post #12 of 16
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matt, don't let that stop you, ever!. I'm older than you (45), and Weems is downright ancient!

I'd love to meet you and make a few turns. Perhaps even show you some of my favorite spots on the mountain that meet your desires... I'll definitely be there on Tue/Wed, meeting on-snow in front of Jacks a bit before 9am. Or in Jack's at 8:30. I'll be wearing a red helmet...
Thanks for the invite. I am not sure if the wife and I will be out on Tuesday, but if we are, I will looks you up. Otherwise, I will check the meet on the hill forum before going out.
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There was also a glade open to the skiers left about 1/3 of the way down that provided a nice diversion each run. (Except for the three semi-buried logs I encountered)
Matt,

A little local advice-stay out of those gladed areas until we have a 40" base. A couple of years ago one of my ski school compatriots went into the same area you describe early in the season-ran both skis under a hidden log and did double tib/fib fractures-out for the year. When we get to 40" they are pretty well buried for the duration, until then let caution be your guide.
post #14 of 16

I second that

"A little local advice-stay out of those gladed areas until we have a 40" base. A couple of years ago one of my ski school compatriots went into the same area you describe early in the season-ran both skis under a hidden log and did double tib/fib fractures-out for the year. When we get to 40" they are pretty well buried for the duration, until then let caution be your guide."

I ducked a rope 3 years ago in the Enchanted Forest...Were it not for a helmut, I would be a bigger vegetable than I already am.
post #15 of 16
FWIW, I didn't see the blatant non-alternating that you did. I think maybe once, but the kids that did that were Summit Team racers... :

Count me among those that will be extremely happy to see the ski campers go. Most are really nice kids, but some just suck. The worst offenders were the Japanese team there last week.
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Matt,

A little local advice-stay out of those gladed areas until we have a 40" base. A couple of years ago one of my ski school compatriots went into the same area you describe early in the season-ran both skis under a hidden log and did double tib/fib fractures-out for the year. When we get to 40" they are pretty well buried for the duration, until then let caution be your guide.
You are right. I was there again last Friday and ran a ski under a buried log on a run off of the Timberline Express. I have decided to stay the heck out of the trees for quite some time. I should have know better, but I guess early season anxiousness won out. Besides, it was just as fun flying down from the Super Bee as there was nobody there all afternoon! At times, you did not even have to stop in the lift line.
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