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Any Gripes with SKI Magazine's Resort Rankings?

post #1 of 25
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I just got my October issue of SKI. I thought the most noticable absence was Alta. Brighton was included, but Alta was not. I went to both last year and, although I enjoyed both, I think Alta was easier the better of the two. I also think Snowbasin ought to be somewhere in the Top 30, although I haven't been skiing long enough to know which resort it should displace.
post #2 of 25
Alta blows. Pass it down.
post #3 of 25
Topic: Any Gripes with SKI Magazine's Resort Rankings?

Nope. SKI has completely missed it for people who are more interested in skiing than shopping and apres. Let the SKI reading hordes go elsewhere, some of us know better.
post #4 of 25
I think the majority of respondents to the SKI magazine polls are Male, over the age of 40, pulling down big salaries....(I actually read that somewhere)
Aspen Highlands...now there's some sick steeps.
Snowmass ... Big mountain, awsome back country access, killer trees, nice big cirque.
What's The Canyons doing on this list? Haven't been there but I hear it's pretty tame.
Why is Snowbird so low on the list?
I agree that Alta belongs in at least the top 15...but again this is a poll from SKI Mag they've gone a little to yuppie fluff in the last few years. The ski world needs a better rag for our cunsumption. Powder Mag used to deliver the goods but even they went soft (still can't resist pouring over every page when it hits the stands)

1. Vail, Colo.
2. Whistler/Black., BC
3. Deer Valley, Utah
4. Snowmass, Colo.
5. Steamboat, Colo.
6. Breckenridge, Colo.
7. Sun Valley, Idaho
8. Beaver Creek, Colo.
9. Park City, Utah
10. Telluride, Colo.
11. Aspen Mtn., Colo.
12. Mammoth, Calif.
13. Heavenly, Calif.
14. Aspen Highlands
15. Keystone, Colo.
16. The Canyons
17. Jackson Hole, Wyo.
18. Winter Park, Colo.
19. Copper Mtn, Colo.
20. Lake Louise, Alb.
21. Squaw Valley, Calif.
22. Crested Butte, Colo.
23. Snowbird, Utah
24. Sunshine Village, Alb.
25. Northstar-at-Tahoe
26. Big Mountain, Mt.
27. Taos, N.M.
28. Mt. Bachelor, Ore.
29. Big Sky, Mont.
30. Brighton, Utah
post #5 of 25
Quote:
Originally posted by thexcop:
What's The Canyons doing on this list? Haven't been there but I hear it's pretty tame.
I would have to agree that leaving Alta off the list is an enormous oversight on the magazine's part.

Now, Ex Cop, I find it interesting that you are willing to take a shot at a resort you know nothing about.

Like the other resorts on the Park City side of the mountain - or any resort on the planet for that matter - the quality of one's skiing experience is predicated on (adequate) snow depth and knowledge of the mountain.

I have had the pleasure of skiing many resorts in the Rockies and have spent considerable time at The Canyons - I know the resort pretty well. For anybody that wants a tour, I would love to show you around The Canyons. I think you will come away with a new opinion.

IG

PS. Isn't that one-hit-wonder Eddie Money an Ex-Cop?
post #6 of 25
Nothing in the East ranked anywhere at allon the list above.
post #7 of 25
Quote:
Originally posted by Bonni:
Nothing in the East ranked anywhere at allon the list above.
They have a separate list for the East. From my recollection it is just as lame, but since I only know what I've seen on the net you might want to go buy the mag.
post #8 of 25
I have no gripes. The rankings reflect the criteria. When SKI Magazine will provide rankings based on input from the Testosterone crowd (and a different criteria), I expect a different ranking.
post #9 of 25
So we can call this the Estrogen list?
post #10 of 25
Quote:
Originally posted by ryan:
So we can call this the Estrogen list?
I think the Viagra list is more appropriate.

Bob
post #11 of 25
Quote:
Originally posted by ryan:
So we can call this the Estrogen list?
Heh, heh, funny. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

But then I think most Bears will need estrogen boosts to deal with mountains like Whistler!
post #12 of 25
I thought Viagra was a drink served at St. Anton:

1 shot Jagermeister
1/3 can Red Bull

post #13 of 25
Quote:
Originally posted by thexcop:
I think the majority of respondents to the SKI magazine polls are Male, over the age of 40, pulling down big salaries....(I actually read that somewhere)
Aspen Highlands...now there's some sick steeps.
Snowmass ... Big mountain, awsome back country access, killer trees, nice big cirque.
What's The Canyons doing on this list? Haven't been there but I hear it's pretty tame.
Why is Snowbird so low on the list?
I agree that Alta belongs in at least the top 15...but again this is a poll from SKI Mag they've gone a little to yuppie fluff in the last few years. The ski world needs a better rag for our cunsumption. Powder Mag used to deliver the goods but even they went soft (still can't resist pouring over every page when it hits the stands)

1. Vail, Colo.
2. Whistler/Black., BC
3. Deer Valley, Utah
4. Snowmass, Colo.
5. Steamboat, Colo.
6. Breckenridge, Colo.
7. Sun Valley, Idaho
8. Beaver Creek, Colo.
9. Park City, Utah
10. Telluride, Colo.
11. Aspen Mtn., Colo.
12. Mammoth, Calif.
13. Heavenly, Calif.
14. Aspen Highlands
15. Keystone, Colo.
16. The Canyons
17. Jackson Hole, Wyo.
18. Winter Park, Colo.
19. Copper Mtn, Colo.
20. Lake Louise, Alb.
21. Squaw Valley, Calif.
22. Crested Butte, Colo.
23. Snowbird, Utah
24. Sunshine Village, Alb.
25. Northstar-at-Tahoe
26. Big Mountain, Mt.
27. Taos, N.M.
28. Mt. Bachelor, Ore.
29. Big Sky, Mont.
30. Brighton, Utah
WTF!!!!!!!

Heavenly ahead of Squaw and Jackson Hole? Flatstar but not Alpine or the 'Weed?

Morons.
post #14 of 25
It's a resort vacation ranking, not a ski area ranking!

I hate the way they market the list, but it isn't particularly aimed at the very best ski areas. ...Maybe we should all be happy about that, since an awful lot of gapers will believe all the fluff and choose accordingly.

If it is taken with a grain of salt, the list does do a pretty good job of ranking areas that are great vacation sites, with very good skiing mixed in.
post #15 of 25
If you want rankings based more on the skiing and less on the shopping use skiing magazines rankings.
1-Whistler Blackcomb
2-Alta/Snowbird
3-Jackson Hole
4-Mammoth mountain
5-Squaw valley
post #16 of 25
Amen. Let everybody go to the areas with all the extras. I'd rather ski the good stuff without a waiting in long lift lines and dodging gapers on the good lines.
post #17 of 25
Yeah, I got a problem with these stupid rankings:

Wachusett Mountain, Massachusets is #10 in the entire East???!!
That's ridiculous! Wachusett should be #1. It's better than Sugarloaf and that other Sugar Place COMBINED! Ski reader ranker idiots. Wachusett has night skiing and lots and lots of people go there from Boston and like it a lot, so it's #1 you morons! Wachusett is definitely #1.

I'll have more to say about that later. : :
post #18 of 25
Quote:
Originally posted by Carvemeister:
Yeah, I got a problem with these stupid rankings:

Wachusett Mountain, Massachusets is #10 in the entire East???!!
That's ridiculous! Wachusett should be #1. It's better than Sugarloaf and that other Sugar Place COMBINED! Ski reader ranker idiots. Wachusett has night skiing and lots and lots of people go there from Boston and like it a lot, so it's #1 you morons! Wachusett is definitely #1.

I'll have more to say about that later. : :
Come on

Are you serious?

Have you skied at other Eastern resorts?

The reason some people in Boston go to Wachusett is because they are not serious skiers who get up early in the morning to drive to VT, NH, or ME or they have families and cannot take a long morning drive for a day ski trip.

I get up at 5:00-5:30 in the morning every Saturday during ski season to ski with my wife. OK sometimes maybe 6ish.

Bretton Woods has night skiing. Does that make it #1?

Sugarloaf is ranked #11 in terrain and Wachusett is like 78.

I will give Wachusett points for family stuff and but it's off of Route 2 which is such a crappy road even from Boston.

Route 93, 95, and 89 are all major high speed roads and you can hit most major mountains in less than 3 hours from Boston.

Tremblant was fun once but I will never waste the time driving up there ever again.
post #19 of 25
Did anyone notice?

They promoted Jackson Hole to 'greatest continuous vertical' in the US, when their own stats correctly show Snowmass to hold that title!!

They moved Sunshine Village's address to British Columbia but noted they are in the Alberta rockies. (Maybe the fact that it is in both provinces mixed them up.)

They mentioned Aspen Highlands has opened up the rest of the bowl, but the stats dropped it to 120 acres!!

Maybe that new management group needs to spring for someone other than the babysitter to do the proof reading!

post #20 of 25
Quote:
Originally posted by Scalce:
Come on

Are you serious?

Have you skied at other Eastern resorts?

The reason some people in Boston go to Wachusett is because they are not serious skiers who get up early in the morning to drive to VT, NH, or ME or they have families and cannot take a long morning drive for a day ski trip.

I get up at 5:00-5:30 in the morning every Saturday during ski season to ski with my wife. OK sometimes maybe 6ish.

Bretton Woods has night skiing. Does that make it #1?

Sugarloaf is ranked #11 in terrain and Wachusett is like 78.

I will give Wachusett points for family stuff and but it's off of Route 2 which is such a crappy road even from Boston.

Route 93, 95, and 89 are all major high speed roads and you can hit most major mountains in less than 3 hours from Boston.

Tremblant was fun once but I will never waste the time driving up there ever again.[/QB]
Oh boy Scalce, you were easy!
Sarcasm not too common up there in beantown? : [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]
post #21 of 25
Isn't that list the results of a reader poll-and not the magazine's rankings? I don't get ski anymore-but I thought that's how it works.
post #22 of 25
Quote:
Originally posted by Carvemeister:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Scalce:
Come on

Are you serious?

Have you skied at other Eastern resorts?

The reason some people in Boston go to Wachusett is because they are not serious skiers who get up early in the morning to drive to VT, NH, or ME or they have families and cannot take a long morning drive for a day ski trip.

I get up at 5:00-5:30 in the morning every Saturday during ski season to ski with my wife. OK sometimes maybe 6ish.

Bretton Woods has night skiing. Does that make it #1?

Sugarloaf is ranked #11 in terrain and Wachusett is like 78.

I will give Wachusett points for family stuff and but it's off of Route 2 which is such a crappy road even from Boston.

Route 93, 95, and 89 are all major high speed roads and you can hit most major mountains in less than 3 hours from Boston.

Tremblant was fun once but I will never waste the time driving up there ever again.
Oh boy Scalce, you were easy!
Sarcasm not too common up there in beantown? : [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] [/QB]</font>[/quote]I was alittle tired when I read the post.

[img]tongue.gif[/img]

Who cares about their rankings anyways.

The stupid ski reviews this year are all in alphabetical order and no awards were given out.

Plus there are so many contradictions in the reviews it's stupid.

I am glad that they finally reviewed the R10 for women in Skiing. My wife loves hers and was pissed they weren't in Ski's review.

Plus they actually have female testers this year who weigh more then 120 pounds.
post #23 of 25
Quote:
Originally posted by feal:
It's a resort vacation ranking, not a ski area ranking!

I hate the way they market the list, but it isn't particularly aimed at the very best ski areas. ...Maybe we should all be happy about that, since an awful lot of gapers will believe all the fluff and choose accordingly.

If it is taken with a grain of salt, the list does do a pretty good job of ranking areas that are great vacation sites, with very good skiing mixed in.
Exactly Feal. These lists are usually assembled with the following in mind:

Ease of access (roads and airports)
Lodging (especially slopeside from moderate to ultra luxurious)
amenities (spas, babysitting, apres ski, sight seeing tours, etc)
mix of terrain, especially family oriented, lower level terrain
snow quality/quantity (not so much for the powder hounds, but the groomer cruisers)
restaurants and night life
shopping availability
ski schools and children's programs
and let us never forget advertising dollars spent per year in the mag help a bit too.

They rarely take into account the serious skier who really just wants tracks all day long a few beers afterward and a warm bed...or even a car to sleep in [img]graemlins/evilgrin.gif[/img]

I can see why Vail gets the top billing here. The village is legendary and offers something for everyone as does the mountain. It's HUGE and it's easily serviced via Eagle/Vail airport or Denver. It is a self contained ski vacation that is easy to sell to the general public. The majority of the others are as well although a few on that list don't really fit IMO, but I guess they needed 30.
post #24 of 25
ExCop read this today....

SKI's target audience is 35-year-old men who make a median income of $71,693. :
post #25 of 25
Let's see, Off-Mountain Activities in the East...

#3 Smuggler's Notch
#4 Stowe

Oh, come on! I don't partake of any of the "family" aspects that Smuggs is noted for, but there is nothing there besides mountain. Stowe is arguably the best ski village in New England.

Honestly, I know better than to complain about this stuff. The rankings are total crap and that's widely acknowledged. How, for example, can the resort rankings shuffle so much from year to year? It's really impossible without some sort of drastic improvements at a given mountain. While that does occasionally happen, it's not THAT frequent. All the magazines are trying to do is justify the public's purchase of a new ranking each year by deliberately making the old one obsolete.

Anyone remember Powder's annual resort special edition? I think they stopped doing it back in about '97. Every major resort got a 2-4 page spread and description of highlights, each in the same format and with no rankings. That was far more valuable than this Ski/Skiing ranking garbage.
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