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Looking for that "one ski quiver"

post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
I've enjoyed reading the EpicSki opinions and I'm now in need of advice on some new stix.

Me: 6'0", 170 lbs male. Skier level 7. Unfortunetly the majority of my skiing is done in the mid-atlantic. However, I usually get in one NE or West trip per year. I love to tear up the groomers and will venture off-piste on occasion (N/A in the mid-atlantic). Bumps - need improvement! I'm looking for a ski that will handle the morning hard-pack/ice of the mid-atlantic as well smash through the mash potato / slop of the afternoon-night sessions. I just sold my Crossmax 9 177cm, which I liked carving on - hated in the bumps - solid at speed - had trouble smashing through the afternoon slop.

From the reviews here and elsewhere, I'm interested in:
Hot Rod - Nitrous or Modified
Fischer AMC 73 or AMC 76
Fischer RX8 or RX9
Magfire 8 or 10
Atomics M9, M10 or M11?
Other suggestions ...

I would like to have a ski that is forgining and won't punish me for technical mistakes. If you could also tell what is the best length for your recommendation.

Thanks!
post #2 of 24
Is price a consideration? If you could get one pair for $400 or the other for $600 would it make a difference?
post #3 of 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdw_ski View Post
From the reviews here and elsewhere, I'm interested in:
Hot Rod - Nitrous or Modified
Fischer AMC 73 or AMC 76
Fischer RX8 or RX9
Magfire 8 or 10
Atomics M9, M10 or M11?
Other suggestions ...

I would like to have a ski that is forgining and won't punish me for technical mistakes. If you could also tell what is the best length for your recommendation.

Thanks!
Remove the M9 and M11 add the M11 B5 and Volkl AC3.
post #4 of 24
Add Dynastar Legend 8000 and underline the RX8's
post #5 of 24
I ski the same general area as you and I own the folowing:

RX 8
Dynastar 8000
Head im77

They all 3 do great in our area, but the 8000 and the im77 provide the most versatility and would serve you better as a "one ski quiver". You mentioned the requirement of forgiving, so in my mind that moves the 8000 in a 172cm to the top of my suggestion list for a skier of your level.
post #6 of 24
Sorta agree with Coach's vote for the 8000, but it's not optimized for east coast ice; also think the Magfire 10 is an appropriate ski for you if you like a turnier, less traditional feeling carver. Also consider a Volkl AC2, which will rip on hardpack, and some feel is a more interesting ski than the AC3.

Finally, take a Rossi B-2 out for a demo. As the supreme jack-of-all-conditions-master-of-none, doesn't get a lot of respect on these threads. But for a high intermediate/advanced one-ski quiver, it'll do everything you throw at it with a B+. Which may make more sense than a few A's and a few C's. Go to SkiPressWorld.com or Ski Canada. They think very highly of its versatility.
post #7 of 24
I have both the RX8 and the AMC76. Both are great skis. I like the AMC76's when there is some new snow - they plow right through it. Same thing when the snow turns a little more to mashed potatoe consistency. The AMC 76's also do well on the groomed runs - they might not be quite as quick as the RX8's when initiating the turns. But then it could be the driver and not the skis.

If you get an opportunity to demo both the RX8's and the AMC76's I would highly recommend doing so. I'm 6'2" and around 210 lbs and I am on 170's on each of these. You might want to consider something just a little bit shorter.

For a one ski quiver, I don't think you could go wrong with the AMC76's.
post #8 of 24
Hey jdw, I know you! I've been thinking, maybe you want to add the Z9's to your list. Seem to be well received as a pair of do it all skis that won't punish you.
post #9 of 24
Since you stated the majority of your skiing is done in the mid-atlantic area, I'm thinking RX8 if you favor carving or AMC 76 for all mountain.

I would also toss the Dynastar Contact 10 or 11 into the ring but only from reviews I have read. I haven't demo'd the new ones.
post #10 of 24
188 Bro Model
post #11 of 24
I have skied all the skis mentioned and another 50 or so that are not mentioned. I think there are a lot of great skis already suggested.

My take is that a very narrow waisted/deep sidecut carver (RX-8) may be a little too similar to what you have. A somewhat wider and or straighter ski may be a better choice. As much as I love the Legend 8K, it may not be the ideal either as it is not terribly damp.

I think that (in no particular order) the Nitrous, Modified, RX-9, AMC 76, AC3, Contact 11, are all good choices and the M11-B5 might be the ultimate (IF you have a good understanding of edge angle)

SJ
post #12 of 24
The best skiers at local midatlantic places seem to favor one of two types of skis. Typically you see detuned race or cross skis (Allstar (or 6*), omeglass, Atomic SX, Racetiger RC, iXRC 1100 SW, supershape, Fish Race SC, RX8, etc...). Others perfer softer midfatish twin tips for park and moguls. Some even opt for the comp level mogul skis (PE, Madtrix, 1080 , karma, Cabrawler, etc...). Just a thought.
post #13 of 24
Volkl AC4

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post #14 of 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
Remove the M9 and M11 add the M11 B5 and Volkl AC3.
Why remove the 9 and 11? I thought they were supposed to be quiver skis?
post #15 of 24
jdw is a good friend of mine and we ski together often. I think SierraJim has it right. jdw has become a very good carver especially in the last year or so. But in the variable snow his skinnier skis just wear him out.

He can speak for himself, but I think the best match for him would be a ski that still carves well on the hardpack, but most importantly would give him confidence in rougher snow and less than ideal conditions.
post #16 of 24
i hav the k2 public enemy and it shines in all conditions better than any ski ive owned.

check it out....its a great ski......cheap....and it will perform
post #17 of 24
Thread Starter 

great advice

Thanks for everyone’s input! I certainly did not expect the volume of advice.

SierraJim and Walks – great insight, I think I’ll move the Nitrous, the Modified, and the AMC 76 to the top of my list and keep an eye out for the RX-9 or Contact 11. What are recommended sizes for these skis (6’0, 170)?

SierraJim – you mentioned “edge angle” while recommending the M11-B5. Can you explain?

It appears that the Hot Rods are unchanged from 05/06 to 06/07 and that the AMC 76 received a new color scheme. Is this a correct assumption?

Again thanks to everyone.
post #18 of 24
Ac 3
post #19 of 24
Nordica Nitrous is one of the funnest all around skis I have ever ridden in a variety of conditions. It is also one of the easier skis to ski in all conditions. The combination of the active core and the marker XBS system make for a huge sweet spot. I have reco'd the ski to several (level 7-8) friends and they all love it.

I would caution you away from on the Atomics/Volkl's for two reasons, they tend to be very stiff (unforgiving) and very heavy. This creates two problems (as I see it).

1st: The average skier is forced to buy a shorter ski to facilitate easy turn initiation. Shorter, wider, heavy side cut skis contrary to popular opinion are in actuality a real liability to all mountain skiing. They are twitchy and unpredictable on ice, provide insufficient float in deeper snow, and are unstable at higher speeds (ie: when tossed into the backseat crud skiing).

2nd: Longer skis with easier flex allow for greater feedback and a more enjoyable ride. Imagine actually feeling a ski responding to your input and propelling you out of a turn faster then you initiated the turn.

I have experienced this time and again with friends accustomed to shorter stiffer skis. "I could never ski a 178cm ski" said a 6'-2" 180lb level 7 skier friend. I had him demo the Nitrous last year in a 178cm. (True story!) He had so much fun his first two runs that he purchased a pair of the skis from the resort shop (full price,,,ouch!) by lunch and was screaming down the mountain at mach 9 from there on out. I watched a decent skier become a really good skier in a matter of hours.

Good luck and have fun!
post #20 of 24
jdw:

The Atomic Metron series have a very deep sidecut and are very grippy skis. This combination, requires that the skier be primarily an edge to edge kind of guy when on the groomers. A very deep shape can also get knocked around a bit when the snow is deep enough to lift the sidecut free of the surface. Naturally, the tradeoff is that the deep shape and the phenomenal grip provides the ride of your life on hard groomers and when on edge, they will hack their way through some eastern sugar and slop very well.

The AMC 76 and Nitrous are similar in capabilities but with slightly more moderate shapes than the M11-B5. The Atomic is in the middle of the three in weight with the Nordica being heaviest and the Fischer the lightest. The Atomic binding system does weigh more than some others but I don't think that binding weight has much to do with the overall feel of the ski because the weight is concentrated under the foot and has minimal effect on swing weight.

SJ
post #21 of 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by matt7180 View Post
Why remove the 9 and 11? I thought they were supposed to be quiver skis?
They are, but the 10 (same shape as the 9 but beefier) and the M11 B5 is a much better choice that the overly nervous M11.
post #22 of 24

"Best ski I ever skied" fallacy

If I had a quarter for every time I said "My Gawd, this is the best ski I have ever skied"..I would have a boat load of quarters. It is amazing though that year after year the skis just keep getting better and better. A ski that I thought was amazing two years ago, I am steering people away from.

I can't wait for what is coming down the pipeline that will put this years gear to shame.
post #23 of 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
I can't wait for what is coming down the pipeline that will put this years gear to shame.
Welllllll................I'm meeting with the SM from Fischer in few hours and I'm guessing that I'll see a wide RX-9 (at least I hope so..... )

Save up them quarterzzzz

SJ
post #24 of 24
Similar stats as you:
me 6' 2"
165lbs (I don't want to hear it..)
level 7
east coast


Consider a Volkl AC2 or AC3, the AC2 being more forgiving due to
its blend poly/wood core vs the all-wood core of the AC3. I agree
with Beyond above, either will rip on hardpack and plow through
afternoon mange.
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