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Looking for past oepning/closing for Killington

post #1 of 7
Thread Starter 
Hi all,

I was just curious if anyone outhere had a table for the Killington Ski Season (open/closing/ski days, etc) from the seasons prior to 1970-71.

I've seen one before with 60s dates (might have been Killington book), if someone has them, could someone sent them to me?

Thanks.
post #2 of 7
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Originally Posted by Patrick View Post
Hi all,

I was just curious if anyone outhere had a table for the Killington Ski Season (open/closing/ski days, etc) from the seasons prior to 1970-71.

I've seen one before with 60s dates (might have been Killington book), if someone has them, could someone sent them to me?

Thanks.
I don't have quantitative data, but I can say in the last 5 years, they've opened later and closed earlier every year!:

Seriously though, someone has maintained a webpage with that info, I saw it a couple of years ago.
post #3 of 7
Here you go:
http://www.killington.com/endless_winter.html

This will be their latest opening in a long, long time...
post #4 of 7
Part of the later opening and earlier closing is due to the fact that ASC has been in financial dire straits for the past decade. Aiming for the early opening ended up costing the whole corporation a lot of money for very little return, and staying open late often resulted in employment issues.

A few times in the past five years, Killington has certainly had the snow to stay open a lot later than their closing date, but they didn't have the staffing to pull it off. It's part of the belt-tightening process, and it sucks for the loyalists, but it keeps them in business.

However, this year will be one of the latest openings in recent years for quite a few New England resorts, as it's been a very temperate November. We'll see what happens, but the ground hasn't been cold enough for even a three or four day freeze spell to build up a good base. It's no fun for anybody who's banking on getting in some T'giving turns.

I'm amongst the affected: I have family in northern Connecticut, where I'm heading for the long weekend, and I was hoping to get a day of skiing in at Stratton, Mt. Snow, Okemo or Killington. But it's more likely that I'll get in a good, long bike ride or two that weekend.

But I'll get my New England turns in over Christmas, my Utah time in early January, and my time in Austria in mid-February.
post #5 of 7
I cannot see this late opening being blamed on ASC or Kton. Its the weather..it is not co-operating..oh hell, I will just say it...this weather sucks.
post #6 of 7
Thread Starter 
Thanks but I already have the information for the closing from K website, I found some days at home and I have now the opening and closing from Killington from 1966-67 to 2005-06.

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This will be their latest opening in a long, long time...
That's what I wanted to see, how long if ever?

This year is will be latest year (latest ever?) from Kmart in the numbers I have so far.

The previous latest opening in the period I have numbers is:

November 18 1970

Last season May 1st closing was the earliest since:

April 30 1974

Last season 166 days was also the smallest numbers of Ski Days in a season (K's number) since the 154 days in 1967-68.

So I'm now only missing the first 8 seasons for Killington.

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Part of the later opening and earlier closing is due to the fact that ASC has been in financial dire straits for the past decade. Aiming for the early opening ended up costing the whole corporation a lot of money for very little return, and staying open late often resulted in employment issues.
We've had this discussion many times on FTO (firsttracksonline). A few bad moves were also made in my opinion.

1) Moving the Spring skiing to Superstar in the late 80s.

2) Getting ride of the K Peak double (with midstation) for the K1 gondola somewhere in the late 90s(?).

Getting skiing early was easier off the K Peak than only required one lift running and not all the cost and energy required to built the Superstar glacier.

By changing the way they do things now, K has lost their terrain advantage and there's season is still amount the longest, but not by many days if at all.

And yes, there's the financial aspects...but that isn't all of it, this quote points to mother nature issue.

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However, this year will be one of the latest openings in recent years for quite a few New England resorts, as it's been a very temperate November. We'll see what happens, but the ground hasn't been cold enough for even a three or four day freeze spell to build up a good base.
While K has been having shorter seasons, I can say that I don't think I ever seen no one opening this late in the November across the Nordeast and Quebec. I've been skiing for close to 40 years now. :

Tremblant and especially Ste-Anne which I also advantaged by topographic, weather and market have been on fixed days for opening and closing for a number of years (and never the earliest), I don't recall Ste-Anne having to postponned their opening before. These two areas were scheduled to open this weekend, now the opening is set for the november 24 and 25 respectively.

Last year was the first year for as long as I can recall that no Quebec ski area were open in May. Some people will say that the hills closes early because of lack of skiers, this is the case for most, but not all.
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I cannot see this late opening being blamed on ASC or Kton. Its the weather..it is not co-operating..oh hell, I will just say it...this weather sucks.
Yes, I agree on the weather sucking. but the late opening can be blamed on ASC.
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2) Getting ride of the K Peak double (with midstation) for the K1 gondola somewhere in the late 90s(?).
They have coverage right now up in the glades, where the altitude, north facing, and protection, add up to easier and longer lasting snowmaking. They just don't have any cheap way to get us there. Back in the day, we took the double chair to the top, skied down to midstation, then uploaded at midstation. When done skiing, we downloaded on the chair. When ASC stupidly replaced the double with the KI gondola with no midstation, they trucked us up to the canyon chair, and trucked us back, I guess this option is costly, or liability disadvantageous.
And the early closing can also be blamed on ASC.
THEY JUST STOPPED BLOWING SNOW ON SUPERSTAR LAST MARCH/APRIL. I didn't mind when they tried, but still closed early, as long as when April 15 came, my taxes were paid, and there was 25 feet of snow on Superstar. And if they claim it was the weather, they are full of it, since (in the beginning of the season) they changed the name of the June 1 Slalom to the May 1 Slalom, and the memorial Day Triathalon was SCHEDULED for 2 weeks before Memorial day. They had no plans to try to stay open:
What they, and it's not just ASC but most mountains, don't care about is season passholders. Season pass money is counted in October and is long spent before the season starts, and doesn't get credited for when they're used. The daily lift ticket sales aren't enough to pay the lifties and the truck driver, because most of the people there are season passholders. They don't realize how many people buy season passes because of the early/late season. Until last year, I rented a 7 bedroom house at K-Mart for me and 17 of my friends. We all bought season passes. multipy that by the thousands of people who don't ski Killington much during prime season, but bought season passes for the Early/late season, until recently.
SORRY FOR THE RANT, BUT THIS IS A REALLY HOT TOPIC FOR ME...
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