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post #31 of 56
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Originally Posted by RiDeC58 View Post
I agree with this, but that is no reason to prevent a well-meaning "Bear in good standing" from posting a heads-up to agreat deal. This is a VERY different issue.
I actually think we are in agreement here, but I am not sure :
post #32 of 56
Not sure why you are protecting me from buying carbon skis, but thanks.
post #33 of 56
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post
Not sure why you are protecting me from buying carbon skis, but thanks.
We are protecting the Bear (or Maggot) who found them.
post #34 of 56
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Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese View Post
That is about Bears protecting Bears.
What happened to Bears helping Bears? If I found something that I was interested in, I probably would not post it. However, if I found something I thought others might be interested in, I would definitely want to be able to do that. Isn't that what this place is really all about?
post #35 of 56
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Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese View Post
We are protecting the Bear (or Maggot) who found them.
If the Bear who found them is posting the finding here? Are you protecting him from himself? If YOU find it and you don't want me to know, don't post it. If you want me to know, post it.
post #36 of 56
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Originally Posted by SKI-3PO View Post
What happened to Bears helping Bears? If I found something that I was interested in, I probably would not post it. However, if I found something I thought others might be interested in, I would definitely want to be able to do that. Isn't that what this place is really all about?
And here lies the quandry. Protecting Bears who want to snipe or opening it up to all. I am trying to find the posts where some posted tha they like the idea of not allowing ebay auctions to be posted.
post #37 of 56
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post
If the Bear who found them is posting the finding here? Are you protecting him from himself? If YOU find it and you don't want me to know, don't post it. If you want me to know, post it.
But if you and I both find the same item, and I am not interested and you are...I am not going to post it.
post #38 of 56
If you want the item...outbid others who might want it. The way an auction is supposed to work.
post #39 of 56
It seems that there is general agreement that most people favor protecting the forum from hit and run sellers and agree that efforts to limit posting to true Bears and approved Business sellers is a good idea. I believe most favor allowing Bears to continue to post great deals that they want to share with other Bears. Can we agree that this is the consensus? It seems like e-bay posts are the most contentious issues at this point. I an anxious to see if other Bears have any further thoughts.

Thanks for trying to preserve the atmosphere of this community. I whole-heartedly agree with the overall sentiment and only took issue with those points discussed previously.

RD
post #40 of 56
There is a saying "Anyone can balance the budget"

Gear Swap had its short comings on many levels. It was not perfect before and it will not be perfect again...at least not for eveyone. As Mods we have talked about these guidelines for over a month, like with any change, not all will be happy but we are looking at the community as a whole and what is best for the forum.
post #41 of 56
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
Protecting Bears who want to snipe...
I hate to say it this way, but that's just plain silly.

You're offering protection for an instance you're simply assuming MAY exist. That is, some individual bear MAY want to snipe, and the trade-off is you're disallowing/preventing the opportunity to be posted for the entire bear community to take advantage of.

The rest of the new gear swap policy I agree with 100%, because it's centered around protecting the community As A Whole. The deal alert stance, though, is bass ackwards since you're protecting one (and really only one you're assuming exists), for the sake of something that could benefit any one of the rest of the entire community.
post #42 of 56
I'm with Coach13.

The Bear who snipes essentially doesn't wish to pay as much as the Bear who wants it for more money. I leave it to you whose need/want/valueperceived is actually greater.
This ethic seems designed to cater to ski bums over the Ebay man. Except most posters here are not ski bums.

On to other topics though:

I really like the Members Only (notice-not Supporters Only) feature of :sH: Is there any way this could be supported for the Swap forum here?

Un-named-price (collecting PM offers) adverts on gear really strikes me as an abuse, a virtual Ebay with no money to the supporting website.
post #43 of 56
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Originally Posted by RiDeC58 View Post
It seems like e-bay posts are the most contentious issues at this point.
RD
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Originally Posted by Coach13 View Post
You're offering protection for an instance you're simply assuming MAY exist. That is, some individual bear MAY want to snipe, and the trade-off is you're disallowing/preventing the opportunity to be posted for the entire bear community to take advantage of.
RiDe and Coach,

It seems to me; the only reason that this Ebay topic is an issue is that it was put on paper. I went back and looked for posts that didn't meet this guideline and over the past year, I found three (and two were for the same item, more of a boutique one at that, an Atomic EMB binding). The third item was something I bid on, now I got out early and in reality the only person it helped was the seller, not the other person I bid against. So this is truly a small issue.

So, as this issue "MAY" exist, it does on a small scale. I also think that it is safe to say; that since that in that same year there were literally hundreds of thousands of items that could have been posted here. If someone has found Epic here on the internet it is also safe to say they already know about Ebay. I still think the amount of "outed" auctions are much lomer than the amount of "scores" that Bears got on Ebay. That is what we want to preserve. We really don't think you will see any change if we look at the history of the Gear Swap, we just put it down on paper.
post #44 of 56
I am in favor of not using Epic to publicize E-Bay auctions.

If for no other reason then to stop post that consist of little more then a link to E-bay.
post #45 of 56
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Originally Posted by Cirquerider View Post
This is a good conversation, and I think we are all interested in getting it right. The guidelines for the Gear Swap are new and we expected they may need to be refined.

I'm going to move this to the community forum and hope we can get some constructive comments. We may not make everyone happy, but we'll do the best we can.
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Originally Posted by from the guidelines
"Commercial sales of new gear from a shop, or clearance sales of rentals, demo and similar used gear is not permitted."
What is wrong with, for example, Mudfoot* posting that STP has SX10s for sale at $299. It was what I'm pretty sure a mispriced item, and a phenomenal deal. I didn't need them and passed, but I called 2 friends who jumped on them. The next day they had it priced right. In this case it was a great service to a lot of Bears.
*I think it was Mudfoot, and if it was, Thank You...

I definitely think that individual EBAY sales posts should be banned altogether. I'm not against EBAY, but the temptation to publicize an auction to build up bidding is too high.
post #46 of 56
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Originally Posted by 2-turn View Post
What is wrong with, for example, Mudfoot* posting that STP has SX10s for sale at $299. It was what I'm pretty sure a mispriced item, and a phenomenal deal. I didn't need them and passed, but I called 2 friends who jumped on them. The next day they had it priced right. In this case it was a great service to a lot of Bears.
*I think it was Mudfoot, and if it was, Thank You...
Any help I can get. The gear for sale section remains high risk imho anyway. Links should be allowed.
post #47 of 56
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Originally Posted by 2-turn View Post
What is wrong with, for example, Mudfoot* posting that STP has SX10s for sale at $299. It was what I'm pretty sure a mispriced item, and a phenomenal deal. I didn't need them and passed, but I called 2 friends who jumped on them. The next day they had it priced right. In this case it was a great service to a lot of Bears.
*I think it was Mudfoot, and if it was, Thank You...

I definitely think that individual EBAY sales posts should be banned altogether. I'm not against EBAY, but the temptation to publicize an auction to build up bidding is too high.
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Originally Posted by Paul Jones View Post
Any help I can get. The gear for sale section remains high risk imho anyway. Links should be allowed.
Paul,

We are leaning towrds links to reputable B&M's/Internet Dealers being allowed in the revision.
post #48 of 56
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
We are leaning towrds links to reputable B&M's/Internet Dealers being allowed in the revision.
I would absolutely support this. It seems rediculous not to be able to post a link to a great deal at REI, Sierra Trading Post, Ski-Depot etc.
post #49 of 56
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
"Gear Swap" is for good standing Epic participants; if you have less than 20-25 posts of substance, do not post your items here.

*This forum is not Craigslist, please do not become a member here just to move your gear. Such as Ebay has a feedback system which helps build a sellers credibility, your post count and contribution lends toward your credibility, or lack thereof. If we don't know who you are, why would we risk sending you money?

*For your protection and privacy, there will be no outside e-mails or phone numbers allowed in your listing.

*Unless you are a current Epic Business Supporter; commercial sales of new gear from a shop, or clearance sales of rentals, demo and similar used gear is not permitted. Please PM an Admin to become a Business Supporter.

*Links to reputable ski retailers such as REI, Sierra Trading Post, Ski-Depot etc. are permitted if you want to pass along a great find of a deal.

*Do not post Ebay auctions unless it is a "Buy it Now", you might be posting an auction that a fellow Bear is planning to snipe/snag. If there is someone posting a WTB (Wanted to Buy), you can PM that person a link.
Note I removed the restrictions to links and clarified the Ebay section.
post #50 of 56
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
Note I removed the restrictions to links and clarified the Ebay section.
Ok, Phil and other Mods. I think this is a thoughtful and reasonable response to the concerns raised by both myself and others. I may not agree 100% with the e-bay stance, but I understand it and feel that, with these modifications/clarifications, the new policy is a very reasonable starting point which may well morph/evolve over time.

Given that you will never be able to completely please everybody, I say, OK, let's run with it like this for a while and see how it goes. Thanks for listening and responding to our concerns.
RD
post #51 of 56
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Originally Posted by RiDeC58 View Post
Ok, Phil and other Mods. I think this is a thoughtful and reasonable response to the concerns raised by both myself and others. I may not agree 100% with the e-bay stance, but I understand it and feel that, with these modifications/clarifications, the new policy is a very reasonable starting point which may well morph/evolve over time.

Given that you will never be able to completely please everybody, I say, OK, let's run with it like this for a while and see how it goes. Thanks for listening and responding to our concerns.
RD
Thank you very much for the vote of confidence. We know that we will never be able to please everyone. Some of these parameters are just not for now, but looking towards the future.
post #52 of 56
Keep trying to get that ebay thing right.

Very few respondents to this thread are down with 'protecting the sniper', but the John Allen Muhammad of ebay is a patroller here...

I think it should be an individual's decision. I have been PMed about ebay auctions from people here. A member should be allowed to keep it to his or herself, share it with special Bear friends or the whole community.
post #53 of 56
Golly, I can't link information posted in the public domaine relevant to skiiing here? The epic ski e-bay sniper protection act is pathetic.
post #54 of 56
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Originally Posted by MisterK View Post
Golly, I can't link information posted in the public domaine relevant to skiiing here? The epic ski e-bay sniper protection act is pathetic.
Truthfully MisterK, I agree with you. But, we need a starting point. Most other concerns have been resonably addressed and I am just saying that this seems like a goodfaith effort that we should run with for a while. Discussion will undoubtedly continue for a while.

Not to muddy the waters Phil, but how would the judges rule on a post that said: "There are some great e-bay deals right now on Volkl Allstars. Do a search if you are interested"---See, no link is posted...just how much info are we going to try to suppress????
post #55 of 56
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Originally Posted by MisterK View Post
Golly, I can't link information posted in the public domaine relevant to skiiing here? The epic ski e-bay sniper protection act is pathetic.
OK, that reason is pathetic, but the rationale isn't.
How about
" Posting about an active auction on EBAY is prohibited. An Ebay auction will only satisfy one person, putting it in an open forum will lead to Bears inadvertantly bidding against each other. Also, sellers fabricating threads to advertise their auctions would be beyond our ability to identify or control."
post #56 of 56
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Originally Posted by 2-turn View Post
What is wrong with, for example, Mudfoot* posting that STP has SX10s for sale at $299. It was what I'm pretty sure a mispriced item, and a phenomenal deal. I didn't need them and passed, but I called 2 friends who jumped on them. The next day they had it priced right. In this case it was a great service to a lot of Bears.
*I think it was Mudfoot, and if it was, Thank You...
Sorry, I found the original thread, and RIDeC58 should have got the and thanks for the STP post.
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