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Dynamic VR-17 - Review

post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
So here goes with the promised gear review of the Dynamic VR-17.

Mountain: Copper
Conditions: Early Season, Dust on Crust, Ice, Some Soft Snow
Ski: 2006 Dynamic VR-17
Stats: 165 cm 119-65-103 r 11m
Binding: 2007 Neox 6:14
Boots: Lange Comp 120
Skier: 6'3" 225 lbs. aggressive
Price: $ 377 at Garts with binders included (retail $ 900)

General Impressions: This is supposedly atomic's slighty detuned version of the sl:11 with less metal in the power channels, but still FIS legal. It has sort of beta lobes in the front but not in the back, but the tails are still stiffer than the tips. It's supposed to be, and is, a recreational slalom ski. Other similar skis that I have demoed included the atomic SL:11 and the Fischer Worldcup SL, both not race stock. I was generally pretty happy with the VR-17's, but at higher speeds in sloppier conditions I had the sense that I was perhaps sometimes overpowering them.

Hard Pack: 10 out of 10. Very quick edge to edge but maybe not quite as quick or powerful as the Fischers or Atomics. I was skiing with ssh on his metron b:5's and had the definite sense that when I was working a balanced stance the VR-17's were "turnier" than the b:5's despite having roughly the same sidecut. Excellent short turn performance without too much kick/snap on the return.

Bumps: 10 out of 10. Took these a few runs through the bumps and was thoroughly satisified with the performance. Very easy for short turns, tips seemed somewhat softer than the comparable Fischers and Atomics, definitely less work. Once I get them completely dialed in I think they will work very well here.

Crud and Softer: 8 out of 10. Here is where some of my concerns start to show up with the softer tips. At higher speeds (30 mph plus) it seemed like the tips were getting knocked around. Nothing serious, and they would definitely go fast. But no where near as stable as my Atomic GS:11's, it was more work getting them to stay in track. There is a definite upper end to these things at my weight and ability in these conditions.

Powder: Did not have huge powder on the days tested, but on one day we had 2-3" which were not a problem. I think given the shape and the slightly softer nose that they would be ok in anything up to 5-6". After that, I would definitely want something fatter underfoot.

Pipe and Park: Not rated for obvious reasons.

Work Factor: 9 out of 10. These carved really well and were yet were somewhat forgiving when it came to staying on top. Definitely less of a ski you need to stay on top of compared to the Fischers and Atomics but still very quick edge to edge.

Cool Factor: 9 out of 10. Got lots of comments on the lifts, so these definitely qualify for the cool factor. Not surprisingly, many were fans of the old VR-17's of lore with the VCE. Surprisingly, many were younger commenters with no knowledge of aforesaid race history, who tended to like the shape and/or graphics. I was somewhat surprised by the number of comments.

Overall: 9 out of 10. I really liked these skis, they performed just about the way I expected. I need to get them out again on better groomed slopes for some high speed runs before I can complete the rating. But they were definitely not as stable as ssh's metrons in the crud and softer snow at high speeds. Of course the metrons are a lot heavier with lots of metal layers, so maybe this is not surprising. I was looking at these potentially as a bargain pair of Atomics that were slightly more forgiving for free skiing short turns, but unless I can convince myself on the stability at speed I may be turning them over to my daughter and going for the real thing. If I were 30lbs lighter and 3 inches shorter these could be the perfect short carver.

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post #2 of 24
There is a VR27 Slalom and a VR27 Geant that are stiffer than the VR17. I have the 181cm Geant and the 165cm Slalom. The Geant is a race carver similar to the non-FIS GS:11, LT:11, or GS:9. The Slalom is somewhat like a hybrid of the SL:9 and the SL:11.

I thing that while they are made by Atomic, the extra material in the skis makes them slightly damper. The Geant has a nice, buttery finish to the turn and plenty of edge hold for a recreational race ski. The Slalom seems slightly more like an actual race ski- but only slightly. Both are fun skis for small hills and citizen racing.
post #3 of 24
I heard a rumour they are reskinned on 9'18's. Can anyone confirm?
post #4 of 24
To be honest, I haven't skied on the 9.18 in awhile. The last pair I owned was before they put device bindings on them, although I did take a pair of Puls TIs out for a run a couple years ago.

I can't speak for the VR17, but the VR27s (Slalom and Geant) definitely seem to handle speed better. I'm not exactly sure what molds they used for them, but they don't really ski exactly like any of the Atomics I've been on. Strong family resemblance, but something just seems different. I've attributed it to the added material they added to disguise the Beta Lobes, but for whatever reason they ski less "hollow" than most Atomic Race skis.

Are they going to replace my current GS and slalom skis? Not even close. But they'll do for those early season, small hill days when I want to crank off turns (and not just ride the sidecut) without tweaking my back.
post #5 of 24
Thread Starter 
Well I ran into a deal on a very slightly used pair of 2004 165 cm Atomic Race Stock SL:11's in a 39/28 flex and I couldn't resist picking them up as a compliment to my 2004 193 cm Atomic Race Stock GS:11's in a 48/38 flex, so now I have the gold bookend to go with the reds. I'm pretty excited since I have heard a lot of good things about these as a free ski. I demo'ed the retail 2006 SL:11 and liked them, from what I understand the '04 model should be pretty similar. These should give me a good comparison point on the VR-17's so I will report back when I have had the chance to ski the two side by side.
post #6 of 24
Dude! How many pair, now? Take a pic and post in the Quiver thread. The fascinating thing is that you'll have the specs for every pair in your quiver "right there" in your head!!!!! :
post #7 of 24
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ssh View Post
Dude! How many pair, now? Take a pic and post in the Quiver thread. The fascinating thing is that you'll have the specs for every pair in your quiver "right there" in your head!!!!! :
This makes eight pair total for me but two are still in transit, the scratch bc's and the atomic sl:11's. Once I get everything here and get it mounted I will do the quiver shot. The really interesting thing is that we now have so many pairs of skis in the ski room (my daughter has three and my wife one) that I was able to put the Dynamics in there a month ago and my wife still hasn't noticed them. Which is really surprising because the ski room is right next to the washing machine and the dryer. I think I'm set for this year unless I run into a deal I can't refuse or I decide to pull the trigger on an AT set up.

As regards the specs, thanks for the compliment but with the encroaching Alzheimers I take notes. I'm pretty sure that when it comes to carrying all the quiver info in the head that Noodler has me beat silly.

I am hoping with these bad boys (the sl:11's) that I finally have the tool to keep up with you on the metrons. Once these arrive and I get them tuned my only excuse will be the skier, but then maybe we can work on that too.
post #8 of 24
I used to ski on the 207 cm SL VR27's,and loved 'em.Any of the new models comparable?Also had a pair of the 210 SG's which were about the fastest things I ever had under my feet.
post #9 of 24
Not even close. They're recreational race-carving skis. They'll hold an edge fairly well as far as race carvers go, but really aren't designed to tear it up at true race speeds.

To be honest, I like the Geants more than the Slaloms, but that's just a subjective view. They both do what I bought them for.
post #10 of 24
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by cspsskiguy View Post
I used to ski on the 207 cm SL VR27's,and loved 'em.Any of the new models comparable?Also had a pair of the 210 SG's which were about the fastest things I ever had under my feet.
I think Alaska Mike caught the performance aspects, so I will only add that the graphics at least are very similar to the old skis and inspire lots of positive comments on the lift. They are very sharp looking skis.

Kaj
post #11 of 24
Are any of you using Race series or bindings other than NEOX on the Dynamic plates?

(specifically the current I perform 1.2 124/65/104).
post #12 of 24
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Originally Posted by comprex View Post
Are any of you using Race series or bindings other than NEOX on the Dynamic plates?

(specifically the current I perform 1.2 124/65/104).
That is basicly an Atomic plate. I have mounted Salomon's on said plate.
post #13 of 24
I have SuperCross 614's on the Dynamic VR17 plate which is marked for Neox. They work fine.

To echo some of the earlier comments on the VR17...the ones I have are 2005/2006 vintage. They chatter like mad when pushed fast on hard pack, but they are fun short-turn skis. I skied for 3 days at Gore Mtn in the Adirondacks. Conditions were cold (started below zero on 2 of the threee days) but we had fresh powder (1-2") on Wed and Thu. There was nobody there and the conditions held up very well all day, every day.

I found a huge difference in how they skied when I used the Variozone adjustment. I started out with the Allround setting (in the middle of 5 settings) and didn't like them at all. I set them all the way forward (Extreme) and found them to have outstanding edge hold. This is my first pair of slalom carvers and they felt like they produced enough G's to detach my retinas. When I set the bindings all the way back (Speed), they became very easy to ski in varied turn shapes and were easy to slide. You could still lay down some tight turns, but required a little more effort and edge angle.

Overall, I like them, but not as much as my RC4 WC RC's.
post #14 of 24
Thread Starter 

Neox vs. Race

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Originally Posted by comprex View Post
Are any of you using Race series or bindings other than NEOX on the Dynamic plates?

(specifically the current I perform 1.2 124/65/104).
I bought the skis and binders on the same evening and had them mounted directly, so I didn't have the chance to look too long at the plates. I recall the tech saying that the Atomic Race bindings wouldn't work with them and the plates sure looked a lot like the Neox plates on the Metrons.

While I have only skied these two days, the Neox 614 seems like a pretty good binding to me and I don't think I am going to have a problem with them. I'll be back with more of a report as I get the chance to ski these more, I'm thinking they could be a pretty good short carver for the East (lower speeds, shorter runs).

Kaj
post #15 of 24
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Originally Posted by bjohansson View Post
I have SuperCross 614's on the Dynamic VR17 plate which is marked for Neox. They work fine.
That is what I want to do; I was a bit sketched out by the absence of the Al plate around the existing hole set.

Thanks, all.
post #16 of 24
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Originally Posted by viking kaj View Post
I bought the skis and binders on the same evening and had them mounted directly, so I didn't have the chance to look too long at the plates. I recall the tech saying that the Atomic Race bindings wouldn't work with them and the plates sure looked a lot like the Neox plates on the Metrons.

While I have only skied these two days, the Neox 614 seems like a pretty good binding to me and I don't think I am going to have a problem with them. I'll be back with more of a report as I get the chance to ski these more, I'm thinking they could be a pretty good short carver for the East (lower speeds, shorter runs).

Kaj

Still using these? I am. Total gigglefun on the freezescrapes.
post #17 of 24




I've always had a thing for VR-17's
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http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?p=692780


I currently am using two very different pairs, neither like yours, none of which are 9:18's.

The cheater GS skis came with a flat grind, unusual for Atomics. I put some concave in the shovel and they are skiing great on our frozen crud.
post #18 of 24
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The cheater GS skis came with a flat grind, unusual for Atomics. I put some concave in the shovel and they are skiing great on our frozen crud.

Details?
post #19 of 24
yeah, I need to post on that....been playing with that some lately on several skis

I'll put up something after my Tues night beer specials got to run now......
post #20 of 24

need help on what year model these are and how much they may be worth please help

post #21 of 24
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need help on what year model these are and how much they may be worth please help

They are from 1994 or so and are worth about as much as any of the potted plants that are in the background. The bindings (877 or 777 (not sure)) are no longer indemnified which means they are deemed out of date can not be adjusted by any shop and should not be skied. Sorry. 

post #22 of 24

Does any one know if it's possible to buy a pair of the real vintage VR 17's --(black and yellow) like Billy Kidd used? I'd love a pair of those in my----well I'm not sure--- but somewhere? I've looked on ebay and that Vintage ski guy in Aspen...but no luck..would love a lead.

post #23 of 24

Sorry that I'm too lazy to do use the search function to track it down, but there was just a post on one of the forums less that a month ago from a person who had a pair to sell.

 

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Found it:  http://www.epicski.com/t/130033/dynamic-vr17-207cm#post_1790584

 

You better contact him quick because he may be turning them into a chair soon.  :eek

post #24 of 24

I HAVE A PAIR WITH MODERN BINDINGS .................WHAT ARE YOU OFFERING ?

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