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Atomic SX 10

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Skis: Atomic SX:10m Puls ti

Bindings: Atomic Neox demo's

Boots: Lange Pininfarina 307 mm

Conditions: Man made snow full coverage.
Temp: -8 C to -5 C.

Location: Rabitt Hill, AB

Skier: Level 7 - 8 (0-10 scale) 5' 10", 140 - 150 LB


Just got out today for the first time of the year at our local hill. Not much of a hill but good enough for first runs and working the cobwebs out.

Picked up some very slightly used 160 CM Atomix SX10's with Demo Atomic bindings. I was purposly shopping for a fairly high end Slalom ski to keep me entertained at the local small hill while my daughter took lessons and something to challenge me on technique and form as well as a tool to take lessons on and possbily take my CSIA Level I

This was the first time I had ever skied on a high end carving ski.

My first impression after a few runs was Holy Crap these hold an edge. I have skied this hill for most of my life and know very well what to expect for most conditions there. Today was 99% man made snow with only 4 hours of being open to the public on it, yet it was very firm but with some depth to it.

Normally I would expect a ski to wash out when pushed onto very hard. Normally one could gingerly lay an edge down and ride it through without alot of washing out, but when pushed it would wash away.

Not with these. I tried for all I was worth, I turned up hill as hard as I could, I went as fast as I dare (with one million kids all over the place) they just knifed across the hill and held held held.

I learnt the joys of what so many have commented on about "pressuring the tails on turn exit" Woo hoo now that is fun stuff.

Found them pretty forgiving, didn't seem to me to be a "better be paying 100% attention" ski, it seemed to forgive, or at least let me get away with, some bad form and technique. I didn't get left feeling as though I was fighting them or continually chasing myself to catch up to them.

They like to be ridden hard and aggresive, as expected, but is there any really any other way to ski ?

Was able to ski them in a Groomer cat track that had a chance to freeze overnight and found them to be pretty damp, more damp than I was expecting.

At the shorter length I found I didn't have to try and work the tips as much for turn initiation as with my 177's (Rossi and 8800's). I found a very centered and upright stance to work the best allowing effortless edging and a nice balance point. I found a tendency to want to lean back, or perhaps being placed back somehow and as mentioned above when this happens the ski just jet right out from under you and feel as though they went airborne. You learn quick to not do that .

I think a old sales slogon of TOYOTA sums up rather nicely. O what a feeling ! I now kick myself for not buying some high end carving skis a long long time ago. Any of you that are hesitating or thinking of doing so. I highly recommend it. You can't even imagine what you are missing.

I'm looking forward to alot of fun and learning on these, in fact I am drooling over the thought of taking these to the Marmot Basin and letting them run, do some bumps and am enthused at how they may even handle some off piste stuff.

More to come as I spend more time on them, but so far I am very happy with my purchase and agast of what I have been missing all these years.
post #2 of 26
Sweet, Marmot_mb! Isn't it a thrill to have a ski really hold. Think those skiing insights last year may have helped, too?
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Isn't it a thrill to have a ski really hold. Think those skiing insights last year may have helped, too?
I can't express how much I didn't know about a ski holding a line. At first it was truly a moment of disbelief that it was really happening. I kept waiting for the wash out that never came.

A friend of mine was with me on 150 CM Rossi B2's and we switched ski's for a few runs. I was never so happy to have a pair of skis back, completly different performance. His expression was I can't beleive how those hold. I wouldn't be suprised if he has a pair the next time I see him.

The insight from last year was so well put to use, I really think more people should expose their video to the bears for helpfull insight.
post #4 of 26
Rail'n ice.
post #5 of 26
Hey MArmotMB,,,
Great post ,, whenever i see that youve posted something I always chek it out, your so pumped about skiing all the time its cool to see and definetly a little contagious. I have been thinking about getting a carving ski for awhile, but i bought some volkl 724 pros a few weeks ago so ill have to see how they do on the hard snow. (and everywhere else too)..
So cool to see the bunny bump (rabbit hill) open up so early. I'm sure its the lowest elevation skiing open now, if that counts for anything:.. Where did you get the new boards?? can you say what you paid?? are you skiing down here anytime soon?,, i should be getting out sometime this weekend so ill report back. went out to norquay last sunday ,, what a hoot ,, one skiiny run with two rails and a lineup for the chair,, but hey if its good enough for Ken Read its good enough for me, he was there in disguise:,, he had a helmet on, you couldnt see his hair,,
Matt
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Bunny bump. Ha ha, never heard that one before. Probably is the lowest elevation open, at least they have something.

Compared to last year which i think was mid Dec before they opened. I am glad as I get to use my season pass sooner.

They have pretty good coverage on the main run, in fact even the other side that isn't open yet is very close to being so. They have one major advantage over other places and that is they can and do pull right from the North Saskatchewan river so they have a free endless supply of all the water they can handle. THey have about 6 guys working like crazy with guns spraying the white gold around.

Those 724 should fit the bill for a front side carver real nice.

Man I am so envious of the Calgary people that can go ski a real hill on a whim. I think I might be divorced or unemployed if I lived that close. At least on a powder day I have a good excuse not to go (10 hours of driving)

Was going to do SSV today but opted out as I knew they didn't have the snow they had last year and figured it to be a waste of perfectly good gas money and tickets for later in the year.

Marmot Opens next Friday so you know where I will be. Can't miss it this year as it will be my 10th year in a row making opening day there. Looks promising for a pretty good opening, it's supposed to snow all week leading up. Plus with the new snowmaking they have the bottom is sure to be ready to rip first run and not the wobbly bobbly uneveness it usually is.

We should hook up again this year, i will be sure to get in touch when we make a run that way. I need a guide for the dive this year. Hoping Santa brings Shovel, Probe and tranceiver.

Who me stoked? never, honest I haven't peed myself four times in anticipation of the season already.
post #7 of 26
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Originally Posted by Marmot mb View Post
I turned up hill as hard as I could, I went as fast as I dare (with one million kids all over the place) they just knifed across the hill and held held held.

I learnt the joys of what so many have commented on about "pressuring the tails on turn exit" Woo hoo now that is fun stuff.
Nice review Marmot.

When I first discovered skis could actually hold an edge - what a revelation!

I'd skied for years on K2's. No offense to people who love K2's, but for me, they were happless noodles - fine on soft snow but lethal on ice.

After discovering the security of real edge-hold, I never strayed from Volkl and Atomic.

The SX:10 has always been high on my wish list. If I ever ski the mid-west again, or the east, it'll be choice #1 - confirmed after this review.
post #8 of 26
thanks for the review.
There are some on this forum who under rate this ski and always recommend the SX11 or SX B5. Usually the SX10 is enough ski for most advanced skiers and is definitely more versatile than the other 2.
I'm glad you pointed out what a terrific ski this is.
Now, I'm wondering how the new '06-'07 Sx10-B5 compares to this ski.
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I agree with the sx-10-11 comparison. I have an Atomic sponsored friend, who picked the SX-10 out of the entire fleet for his groomer day ski. We spent a day skiing stupid fast, me on 180 R:11's which are very solid. We swapped and I found the SX10 gave up a bit of stability above 50mph, but they turn like dream, hold well, and have tremendous fore aft tolerance, neither hooking or jetting out.

I'd use a SX 11 as a cheater GS ski, or recommend it to a heavy person, but that SX 10 has some real versatility.
post #10 of 26

Our AMPS got to 11

I tried the SX11 and SX10 back to back, twice. The SX11 has more edge grip and can get to a higher speed in a shorter length without becoming uncontrolably unstable. I don't know what speed the 10 becomes unstable at (it was before I got my GPS), but I was able to reach it at Blue Mountain Collingwood's double blacks on very hard bumpy snow/ice, and was unable to find the SX11s speed limit on the same runs on the same day. On the other hand, the SX11 is also stiffer and harder to make behave in soft snow or in short turns. Most people don't need or want the SX11, but If you want to go further in the direction the SX10 took you from your bandits, you should try the SX11, there is a noticeable increase in performance, and very little change in forgivenes.
post #11 of 26
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Originally Posted by Robscapes View Post
There are some on this forum who under rate this ski and always recommend the SX11 or SX B5.

Now, I'm wondering how the new '06-'07 Sx10-B5 compares to this ski.
I had more than a few pairs of B5's come along at a great price, but passes as I felt they were a bit of a overlap on my 8800's, and from all reports of the B5 I felt I would be left trying to decide what ski to use on a powder day.

I was puposely after a very short radius ski and it's main use would be our local 600 ft something hill, where speed ability wasn't really an issue.

After riding these I would love to get some 11's for hard pack moutain days, as I can only imagine how good those will be on a fast gs turn run.

Is this how the insanity of a quiver starts? Is there a support group?

I hope to catch Atomic at our local hill and try a direct comparison of my SX10m Puls ti against the new SX10 B5.
post #12 of 26
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Is this how the insanity of a quiver starts? Is there a support group?
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Absolutely. The support group meets here:


http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=46405
post #13 of 26
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I had more than a few pairs of B5's come along at a great price, but passes as I felt they were a bit of a overlap on my 8800's, and from all reports of the B5 I felt I would be left trying to decide what ski to use on a powder day.

I was puposely after a very short radius ski and it's main use would be our local 600 ft something hill, where speed ability wasn't really an issue.

After riding these I would love to get some 11's for hard pack moutain days, as I can only imagine how good those will be on a fast gs turn run.

Is this how the insanity of a quiver starts? Is there a support group?

I hope to catch Atomic at our local hill and try a direct comparison of my SX10m Puls ti against the new SX10 B5.
I believe you are thinking of the Metron B5 not the SXB5 that I was referring to.
They are totally different skis.
post #14 of 26
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Robscapes, yes I passed on the Metron B5's. I had at least one of each year come up as a used board.

prices were great but again I felt they didn't fit the need as a tight radius fun tool.

I am super happy with the SX10's I can't wait to get back out tommorow and enjoy them some more.
post #15 of 26
Go for it!!! I'm jealous. Glad you've got the snow to ski them.
post #16 of 26
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Robscapes, yes I passed on the Metron B5's. I had at least one of each year come up as a used board.

prices were great but again I felt they didn't fit the need as a tight radius fun tool.

I am super happy with the SX10's I can't wait to get back out tommorow and enjoy them some more.
Agreed! Metron B:5's are great western all-round skis. But, they're too big as a simple, hard-snow carving tool.

The SX10's have won unmitigated raves from everyone I know who's skied them.
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Spent another 3.5 hours on the SX10's this morning.

Now I really wish I had bought some good tools years ago.

The hardest thing was trying to teach my brain that they are not going to wash out. I found myself mentally thinking I would be 3 feet farther down the hill and recovering from a wash out at the end of a turn. Yet my body was 3 feet higher and still railing.

Spent a few runs with an instructor freeskiing. He mentioned I was holding my turns too long. He chuckled and said not to worry for now as I was just enjoying the amazing feeling of train tracks.

It just feels so damn amazing to sit in the knife edges and just ride them out. Of course this causes a very speedy and rushed transition and a loss of turn quality at the start of the turn.

After him mentioning this I tried to create some transition time in between turns and relax the turn initiation. Wow even better, now they railed all way and a much more balance throughout the whole turn.

I am wondering how the move next week to my 8800's will be and if the smaller skis will actually help me on my longer ones. I think they will as I have felt some things on these I hadn't before and find myself far better balanced and more comfortable in the middle of a turn.

Is it just me or do poles and poling become almost not needed when carving. Of course the hands are kept in front but I found sometimes I wasn't really doing a pole plant but rather just a faint motion of what would be.

Is there a formula to help one decide which skis to use. I can't help but think of how fun these would be at Marmot Basin. Hmm Mornings on 8800's eat pow - afternoons on SX10's rip hardpack.
post #18 of 26
been on SX 10's for 2 seasons just bought my second pr --they are a great ride !!
post #19 of 26
I have SX9's in 183 (or is it 188?). Great ski, very quick, loads of fun, and what edge hold!
I'd get the SX11 if I had the choice, but I didn't have a choice when I got them (long story).
Nevertheless, the SX9's have really impressed me.
I'd pick up a pair of SX11's in a heartbeat.
post #20 of 26
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Well it's official. SX10's are not powder skis.

Took them out for the afternoon at Marmot Basin on Opening day. Had mid shin deep powder across the whole mountain.

Rode the 8800's in the morning and of course these excelled and were a pleasure and ease to ride hard and fast, slow and turny you name it.

THen I decided I would kick myself if I didn't try out he SX10's for a bit.

In the chopped up groomed they were pretty okay. Inspired alot of confidence as they were predictable, busted through everything smoothly, held very nicely in shorter turns but was a chore to make them go long in this.

THen we hit some powder. Nope not powder skis. They got through it but I found myself having to baby the tips and not pressure them to get through. The rear of my bindings must have been set too low as I ejected needlessly about 4 times. This seemed to happen whenever there was force applied to the front of the ski and loaded up the rear of the binding. Very frustrating but pretty damn funny to watch for my bud I am sure.

Had a great time on the hardpack going fast, wiggling off SL turns like crazy and playing with every terrain feature as now I can hit the exact spot on a hill on a whim with no worry of them letting go.

PS SX10's are great for tired legs in the afternoon.
post #21 of 26
I had a simillar revelation on my SX:B5's. I first "carved" on some not so great soft all mountain skis. Then I carved on my B5's. My sking went through the roof in one season. Glad to see you are begining to experience the same thing.
post #22 of 26
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A very short clip of SX10's in powder with tired legs

http://media.putfile.com/2006-opening-day
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A very short clip of SX10's in powder with tired legs

http://media.putfile.com/2006-opening-day
You obviously needed a Mantra at the very least, (if not a Prophet 130)...:

Living in the west, I surely have use for wide skis. However, when it hasn't snowed lately.....a nice carver puts the FUN factor in a groomer zoomer day. It continually baffles me why folks are trending toward skis that excell in conditions that they seldom if ever encounter (except vicariously in TGR films)

SJ
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Marmot mb
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Well it's official. SX10's are not powder skis.
Why not: Toooooo stiff&narrow: Maybe it isn't the skis
post #25 of 26
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"Well it's official. SX10's are not powder skis.
Why not: Toooooo stiff&narrow: Maybe it isn't the skis"

Nope I think your SDM batteries must be low.
post #26 of 26
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You obviously needed a Mantra at the very least, (if not a Prophet 130)...:

It continually baffles me why folks are trending toward skis that excell in conditions that they seldom if ever encounter (except vicariously in TGR films)

SJ
Have 8800's and so far haven't seen the need to go wider yet. Yet being the key word.

I agree I can't figure why people buy 90 - 100 + waists as their everday ski when they rarely ever see more than a skiff of fresh. Thanfully I live sort of close to a place that gets regular dumps and I go only when it does hence justifying the 8800's.

Normally I wouldn't have even bothered with the SX10's but I was curious how they would performed. They did as I expected. Great at what they are made for. Hardpack cruising.
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