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How do I help start beginners to ski ?

post #1 of 16
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Hi, All

I am an intermediate skier myself (i think...), my girlfriend is a beginner. Plus I have a begginner friend too. And of course being in this kind of position i am expected to give people some instruction. I am trying to get them to take lessons as much as possible, but i think i should be able to help too.
Would anybody point to some materials i could use ? This season i want to start to get my girlfriend out of wedge into parallel.

Thanks a lot !
post #2 of 16
You came to the right place...for a huge debate.

You can use a traditional teaching system, CSIA in your region. And buy books like Bob Barnes'.

Or you can use a system I find much more effective, and will be both vilified and praised by some posters here...vilified by those who haven't tried it and praised by those who have (exceptions speak up).
http://www.harbskisystems.com/wedo.htm
I recommend either the Expert Skier 1 book & video or the Instructor training manual book & video. ("Expert 2" and the new "Essentials" might be above you present ability level, but keep them in mind for the future.)
An example
More info


Ken
post #3 of 16
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Originally Posted by SoftSnowGuy View Post
You came to the right place...for a huge debate.

You can use a traditional teaching system, CSIA in your region. And buy books like Bob Barnes'.

Or you can use a system I find much more effective, and will be both vilified and praised by some posters here...vilified by those who haven't tried it and praised by those who have (exceptions speak up).
http://www.harbskisystems.com/wedo.htm
I recommend either the Expert Skier 1 book & video or the Instructor training manual book & video. ("Expert 2" and the new "Essentials" might be above you present ability level, but keep them in mind for the future.)
An example
More info


Ken
thanks ! i suppose any system is better than shooting in the dark
post #4 of 16
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Originally Posted by Yury View Post
Hi, All

I am an intermediate skier myself (i think...), my girlfriend is a beginner. Plus I have a begginner friend too. And of course being in this kind of position i am expected to give people some instruction. I am trying to get them to take lessons as much as possible, but i think i should be able to help too.
Would anybody point to some materials i could use ? This season i want to start to get my girlfriend out of wedge into parallel.

Thanks a lot !
Are planning to keep the girlfriend?

If you are, the best way to help her with her skiing is to pay for a lesson with an instructor. Don't teach her yourself...unless you're looking for the perfect breakup tool. I wouldn't try to teach a gf/wife/so/friend, I don't know many instructors that are that brave.
post #5 of 16
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Originally Posted by icanseeformiles(andmiles) View Post
Are planning to keep the girlfriend?

If you are, the best way to help her with her skiing is to pay for a lesson with an instructor. Don't teach her yourself...unless you're looking for the perfect breakup tool. I wouldn't try to teach a gf/wife/so/friend, I don't know many instructors that are that brave.
Yury, this is right on the money. It is possible to teach gf/wife but it is not simple.
Also, being intermediate you may not know enough about skiing to teach anyone. You can really help them to learn how to ride a lift, how to get up when they fail and boost their confidence when skiing easy slopes.
I think if your best bet would be to learn as much about skiing as possible, get some books, "All Mountain Skier", somewhat old but still very good "The Athletic skier", Lito's books and try to learn yourself. Enroll your friends to at least one class, ask them to show what they worked on and practice it together. Go to the class yourself and show them what you learned. I think it may work, just have fun skiing.
post #6 of 16
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Yury, this is right on the money. It is possible to teach gf/wife but it is not simple.
Also, being intermediate you may not know enough about skiing to teach anyone. You can really help them to learn how to ride a lift, how to get up when they fail and boost their confidence when skiing easy slopes.
I think if your best bet would be to learn as much about skiing as possible, get some books, "All Mountain Skier", somewhat old but still very good "The Athletic skier", Lito's books and try to learn yourself. Enroll your friends to at least one class, ask them to show what they worked on and practice it together. Go to the class yourself and show them what you learned. I think it may work, just have fun skiing.
they have taken classes before and should there be a class what would benefit them to get further i would definitely encourage that. however, there are only so many classes one can take (for finacial and other reasons) and i am afraid my help is mandatory . I am really talking about basics here and i do realize my limits.
anyway, i wish not as much as 'teach' but rather 'help', being as infromed and as carefull as i can be.

myself, i am taking classes too. however, my emphasis now is developing good carved turns and i don't see how that can help someone doing slow wedge turns
post #7 of 16
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on the other hand....i hear what you guys are saying. maybe i should just see that instructors teach them and simply help them stay focused and practice those skills.
post #8 of 16
Yury, I am not being sarcastic when I say that teaching your girlfriend how to ski is the simplest way to stop being her boyfriend. The skiing world is full of true stories about breakups and divorces instigated by "teaching them to ski."
post #9 of 16
As an amateur, your best contribution to the development of your friends is to catch them doing things right and mentioning it. I really hate it when my husband, an amateur golfer, only seems to see what I am doing wrong in golf and tries to coach me. On the other hand, he is a retired pro ski instructor, so I will allow him to do a little bit of coaoching in skiing, but just a little. Heed the advice of those who say it hurts a relationship to have one person lording it over the other--and teaching just tends to be seen that way, not that it is, of course.
post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by icanseeformiles(andmiles) View Post
Yury, I am not being sarcastic when I say that teaching your girlfriend how to ski is the simplest way to stop being her boyfriend. The skiing world is full of true stories about breakups and divorces instigated by "teaching them to ski."


first of all i understand what you are saying. second of all, see last season, she tried to start skiing (both with lessons and without) 3 times and all 3 times she refused to continue. 4th time she had sooo much fun
note that non of those 3 times did challenge the relashionship i think it really depens on people and relashionships
post #11 of 16
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The best thing you can do is catch them doing things right and mentioning it. I really hate it when the person I am skiing with only seems to see what I am doing wrong.
yes, normally, i try to do that.
post #12 of 16

Ski instructor online, Sargent Wedg Hammer

Yury, I like your approach and currage and I think its a great ide to teach your girlfriend skiing by using some help over the internet. This will sort of give you the chanse to wave it off as one more bad ide of yours if it missfires and blame it all on www and on me. Im willing to sign you up right here and now. Lets start right off with taking a look at the active weight shift progression. The moves are defensive but they will keep your girlfriend out of harms way since she is not going to pick up too much speed. Here:
http://ski.topeverything.com/default...nt&ID=2971E537

Be aware of other fraud techniques that might not be as efficient . Here:
http://media.putfile.com/One-skier-down

BTW, I just came up with a brilliant plan. You mentioned that you have a friend joining you! Hes going to be part of the plan, you are going to give him the negative feedback that is actually for her and only give her compliments . You buy him a couple of drinks afterwards and everybody is happy. If you find my advice of any help and you want to show your gratitude you should become a contributing member of this forum . And put in a good word for me!

Tom
post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by icanseeformiles(andmiles) View Post
Yury, I am not being sarcastic when I say that teaching your girlfriend how to ski is the simplest way to stop being her boyfriend. The skiing world is full of true stories about breakups and divorces instigated by "teaching them to ski."
It's also full of stories about couples that ski together frequently and don't really have these "teaching to ski issues." If trying to help your girlfriend, wife, etc... causes your relationship to fail you have had huge communication issues that would have likely caused it to fail anyway. That is perhaps the worst argument against teaching a significant other to ski.

The best argument is that you simply aren't going to be a very good teacher because you don't understand skiing well enough to communicate that to a beginner in an effective manner. Teaching somone to ski well is a difficult thing to do and impossible if you don't have a strong grasp on the fundamentals of skiing yourself. So even if she is receptive to your help, it's probably not going to help her very much. Even pointing out the right things she is doing could be detrimental because you might not have a very good grasp of what the right things are.

If you want to improve your skiing along with hers, get instruction material and practice with it together and share your feedback, but don't give analysis. Let her experiment with the material and gain her own understanding and take a lesson at reasonably spaced intervals to check that understanding. There will not be any one single tip or pointer that will suddenly improve her skiing. It will improve through balance improvement over time and focused skill practice that integrate into her movements. All of this takes time and patience.

The most useful encouragement will just be pointing out how great it is that you guys can spend time together skiing and how much fun you are having.
post #14 of 16
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tdk6, onyxjl, thanks guys will read the materials.
as to it being a great thing skiing together, it's definitely true and we both like it very much and talk about it often too
post #15 of 16
I do agree with most posts so far...but here is my 2cents.

1: If you do get lessons...request a minimum CSIA 3...you will likely only be able to get a 2...but it is your money, so it worth it to ask.

2: If you are skiing together don't focus too much on teaching her to ski...instead teach her to have fun skiing. That is somthing you already know. If she loves it, she will get good.
post #16 of 16
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Originally Posted by Skidude72 View Post
I do agree with most posts so far...but here is my 2cents.

1: If you do get lessons...request a minimum CSIA 3...you will likely only be able to get a 2...but it is your money, so it worth it to ask.

2: If you are skiing together don't focus too much on teaching her to ski...instead teach her to have fun skiing. That is somthing you already know. If she loves it, she will get good.
normally the way it goes - we mostly have fun at most maybe once o twice a day i wll suggest some little thing and try not to get in her hair. if she is not ready i back off very easily.
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