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What is it about boarders?

post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
I'm not wondering what's wrong with boarders, I'm wondering why everyone complains about them! I don't get it. There are lots of obnoxious boarders, but there are just as many obnoxious skiiers as there are boarders, in my experience. Yet boarders are more likely to be called over, for example, by the Ski Patrol for going to fast. Example: I was skiing with some buddies, and was catching up with a boarder friend of mine. I passed within about two feet of him as I turned away. He was stopped for going too fast. Further, he was told, he had almost hit me. What!? I was the one that came up on him! Even from her angle it should have been obvious.

So, why all the ruckus about something that's just another method of sliding on snow? The Nordic nations displayed this kind of elitism in the 1970s when freestlye cross-country skiing began to come into its own. It's a free world. Live and let live, I say. Why the fuss? :
post #2 of 24
I disagree, bigotry and irrational hatred of other people because they are different is a good thing, it bonds people together and gives them a common interest.

I think everyone should post their individual stories about how boarders wronged them and their forefathers. After a sufficient amount of proof we will decide that they are responsible for all injustices on the mountain and start an well-orchestrated vendetta against them.
post #3 of 24
Boarders are cool! Just ask them. They'll tell you! Years earlier many, as is today, were young teenagers + or - a few years. This is the time of life when they find out they have a mouth, and they use it. When boarding the adrenalin starts pumping which lossens the mouth even more. I'm sure we've seen this in their driving habits.

Many have grown older with the wind taken out of their sails. Unfortunately this attitude stigma persists. The behavior changes but the stereotopy remains for a long time as is in other venues of life.

I see this in young skiers in racing classes as well. These are the Mighty mites, etc. Often, you see the same attitude in their coaches too! perhaps they are trying to instill an agressive, competative attitude in these kids. Unfortunately it bleeds over into the rest of the kids' personality make-up if this is true. They will come into the lift line at screaming speeds, try to barge through everyone to get up front. One little tyke dang near ran over my skis (he did hit them), lost a pole and kept going. I gave him "whatfor" and told him to go back and get his pole and quit cutting the line. By his facial expression he wanted to use some choice words but said nothing when he saw others in line staring at him also.
A month ago they broke down the door to our break room. No apologies from the kids or the coaches.
One time I saw some kids push a little girl down and yelled "Get outa our way!" I took out after them and caught them. They were so surprised an "old man" could catch them!
It's probably age more than anything else, in general. "I am cool, and you're not", (yes, you see that in some skiers as well-sad), "boarders rule - skiers suck", "you're in my line", "I rule - You blow". It's all a me first attitude or me only attitude. We see it in skiers as well. It just tends to stick to boarders even after they have grown up. I'm not stating right or wrong, just what is. That's life.
post #4 of 24
It's not boarders, it is a certain mentality in the modern world.

OK, I'll say my bit then watch the flames:


I BLAME THEIR PARENTS


If the parent would take responsibilty for bringing up their children with manners and respect, teaching values, morals, and the idea of right and wrong, and chastising/punishing where appropriate, then many of today's problems would not exist, (and a lot of lawyers would be out of jobs!!)


Flame over, player one. Insert 2 cents to continue...


The Fox rests.
post #5 of 24
Flame over, player one. Insert 2 cents to continue...Game over you win.
post #6 of 24
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wear the fox hat ?:
It's not boarders, it is a certain mentality in the modern world.

OK, I'll say my bit then watch the flames:


I BLAME THEIR PARENTS


My God you could not be more right. . . try being stuck in a school 8 hours a day. . . at least there's the vacation. . .

If the parent would take responsibilty for bringing up their children with manners and respect, teaching values, morals, and the idea of right and wrong, and chastising/punishing where appropriate, then many of today's problems would not exist, (and a lot of lawyers would be out of jobs!!)


Flame over, player one. Insert 2 cents to continue...


The Fox rests.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
post #7 of 24
Screwed that last post up somethin' fierce, I guess I'll get the hang of it. . .

Fox, you could not be more right, as a teacher of these poorly parented children, I see it every day. . .
post #8 of 24
I have only been frequenting EpicSki for the past month or so, but surely this subject must have been covered ad nauseum and ad infinitum in posts before??

If not I am surprised.

If so, let's not give some people the opportunity to rehash insular and bigoted opinions of either skiers or boarders.
post #9 of 24
hello

i am very concerned with runaway snowbladers.
yes. the other day some dude jumped on his snowblades...damn kids these days. i was up on the chair. i screamed..."cââââlice de cave, kossé k'Tu fa, ta mère t'A pas appris"

wich means " ride on dude, your mom thought you well" anyway then he fell on is ass and his snow blades popped. well on of the actually hit an old lady behind the head and she collapsed.

snowblades should be banned
post #10 of 24
Thread Starter 
Well, perhaps I should have known better than to start such an old topic. It's just something that's inexplicable to me. (I ski, by the way).

Maybe I haven't been skiing long enough... or maybe some people have been skiing too long. I had a hard time deciding at first whether to board or ski, because the goal is the same - get down the mountain, and have fun doing it. When asked to really decide, on the spot, I went for skiing without hesitation, but I attribute that to my familiarity with nordic skiing rather than some ingrained anti-boarder reflex. In a year or two I'll learn how to snowboard as well. Skiblades can come later.

While an idiot on a snowboard may be more dangerous than an idiot on skis, it's always been the person riding the devices, not the devices themselves. That's my humble opinion.
post #11 of 24
fcfh - either the skiboarder was on rentals, or he was a powdermag blow in, who thought it was cool to remove the saftey leashes. Cause any responsible skiboarder will have leashes on, and will also have non-release bindings, so that this sort of accident can't happen.


S
post #12 of 24
It is no surprise to have children with these kind of attitudes in a day and age when the State allows them to call the cops on their parents for a spanking...

"Spare the rod and SPOIL the child..."

The wrong is NOT with the children, it is with the society.
post #13 of 24
Mikla- So true! One of the biggies is "We don't want to hurt their self-esteem!" "They aren't bad for what they did; they just made a bad choice."

If we pulled a fast one at school, our parents usually found out before we got home. Then we got it double. Today, kids rule the schools and the parents are enablers.
post #14 of 24
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jyarddog:

Texasteach- I'm a teacher too. i see it as well. TEXAS- Tell me if I'm not dang close here... The parents are usually like their kids. the kid can do no wrong! he cuts up (shows his butt- see, I taught in the south for 5 years), the kid gets in trouble. Teh parents are called. Teh Parents come to school, madder than the 'Hatter', blaming the teacher. The principal placates teh parents by scolding the teacher. The kid gets away with it, the parents are happy, The principal's school record is kept clean, and he/she doesn't have to go down to the main office and get grilled my the Super and the parents down there! In school, I don't care what day it is, it sure is Monday! right?
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Exactly, there are little or no consequences. . . All a parent has to do is threaten to send their kid to a private or charter school and they can get away with murder. . . Principals are forced to kep their attendance up at all costs. . .
post #15 of 24
Grolby, you're right. This topic is old. You can perform your penance by nixing this whole boring thread...
post #16 of 24
The sad part is that someday the child finds himself as an adult with very few skills(understanding,paitence,respect,ect.) to cope with the real world. However,he is unaware of this(?) and forges ahead through life carrying his anger and stupidity as a shield(defensive mode). Eventually,the outer aggressiveness turns back to where it comes from(your inner-self) and starts a destructive cycle(neglect,abuse,ect.). Occassionally,a life threating situation will change a persons outlook. IMHO.
post #17 of 24
funny thing happened last night regarding disipline. My friends were over and the kids were all playing. (6 kids aged 5-9) the oldest is reading but the rest are playing with a new balance ball we got recently. Of course there is one ball and 4 kids. Usually they sort of take turns. Mind you there are plenty of toys to go around. The 8 year old comes over to me and starts complaining that he has not had "his turn" with the balance ball. I decided to give him a dose of reality and turned to him and asked him "How many toys are there in the living room?" His response was "Lots, But it's not fair, they all are playing with the ball and I want my turn" of course in a whiney voice.

I just calmly turned to him and said,
"Sorry, You know what, Life is not always fair. There are all those other toys, go play with one of them!"

All the parents had big grins on their faces!
post #18 of 24
Grolby is right. It's the person.

Fox- RIGHT ON!

Texasteach- I'm a teacher too. i see it as well. TEXAS- Tell me if I'm not dang close here... The parents are usually like their kids. the kid can do no wrong! he cuts up (shows his butt- see, I taught in the south for 5 years), the kid gets in trouble. Teh parents are called. Teh Parents come to school, madder than the 'Hatter', blaming the teacher. The principal placates teh parents by scolding the teacher. The kid gets away with it, the parents are happy, The principal's school record is kept clean, and he/she doesn't have to go down to the main office and get grilled my the Super and the parents down there! In school, I don't care what day it is, it sure is Monday! right?
post #19 of 24
Its the snowllerbladers that should be banned. Which reminds me of an encounter I had a few weeks ago. I was going down Wildside (a double black) at Sunshine on a weekday, and the conditions were alright but kinda shitty (moguled up, lots of rocks, etc...), and I see this guy start his way down. He had a long flowing mullet, was wearing a headband, a NY Jets starter jacket, and was sporting some snowllerblades. It was the funniest sight I have ever had the pleasure to behold, I regret not having a camera. Anyhow this guy thinks he's hot shit and trys to go down this run - I don't think I've ever seen anybody fall THAT many times in my life. Needless to say I never saw him on that run again (I was lapping it all day since there was no good snow anywhere).

Oh yah, I also had the pleasure : of watching some idiot boarder sideslip the WHOLE DAMN RUN because he didn't have the skills to contend with it.
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<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ February 28, 2002 06:42 PM: Message edited 1 time, by Mike B ]</font>
post #20 of 24
Sorry to disagree, Mike, but I find my skiboards (or whatever you want to call them), a very good tool to improve my balance and coordination, and a great deal of fun too, but they are something that people can use without lessons or the necessary skill to control, which is dangerous.
You can't ban skiboards in the land of the free!
You'd be better to ban reproduction, then there wouldn't be as many spoilled brats, and kids who haven't learned about right and wrong!


S
post #21 of 24
To TheRockSkier:

Your comments regarding this thread: EXACTLY!!
post #22 of 24
I have a 50-something year old friend who skis exclusively on snow blades. He's quite good at it and, from body motion, you'd never be able to tell that he's not on longer boards. The issue I have is with 15-year-old kids doing tricks on them in crowded areas. These are the same 15-year-old kids who are also on twin tips and snowboards. In my day, we were on 200cm straight skis being just as much of a menace. Conclusion: My problem is with raging hormones, not gear.

There is a basic co-existance problem with skiers and snowboarders in crowded areas. Snowboarders tend to have a longer turn radius and have a blind side. I think it's more of a problem in beginner/low-intermediate areas where the skiers aren't clued into the blind side issue. If I've had my fill of snowboards on a busy day, I just go ski bumps.
post #23 of 24
I don't mind boarders but I won't sit next to one on the chairlift if I can help it. A couple of days ago some kid nearly sliced my brand new ski pants with his board on the chair. The leg that is attached to the board gets too close for my comfort. Now I try to make sure that I don't sit next to that attached leg. Otherwise, I hold my ski poles down to protect my pants.

My ski area has turned many many trails into terrain parks. Lost a lot of skiable area. I ski downs these trails but very nervously. Never know when someone going to jump without spotting the landing zone.
post #24 of 24
What's with the knuckledraggers laying their board on your ski or your leg when you ride the chair with them. I'm starting to lower the bar in self defense.
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