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Length for "western" ski?

post #1 of 19
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I'm in the market for a ski for western trips and eastern Jay Peak pow.

Male, 6'0", 190 lbs, 49 years old Very good physical shape. I've been going to a gym 4-5x per week for the last 4 years - went from a 42" to 35" waist.

I live in NY and I've been skiing my whole life. I would rate myself as an 8-9 ability, depending on the conditions. The only thing that scares me are car-sized bumps. I like to ski fast and carve long or short turns on packed and groomed runs. I also like to ski bumps a bit, when they aren't solid ice. I also love gladed runs and powder skiing. Being an Eastern skier, I'm very comfortable on fast, hard conditions. Due to a torn right ACL, I wear a DonJoy Legend brace and tend to be more cautious than in years past. I also down-tune my bindings as a sort of safety valve.

I usually day trip to Hunter Mt., but take several weekends or a week to Jay Peak (trees!!), Stowe, Sugarbush, etc. I've been out west a few times. Last year was to Fernie for 5 days, then a stop at Castle Mt., on the way back north to Calgary Airport.

My skis are:
2001(?) 180cm Salomon Scream Pilot 10 108/70/101
Spheric Oversize 914 bindings
There's a picture here: http://tinyurl.com/ya4fyh

They were my first shaped ski. I bought them new in 2003. I had just come off an 8 year hiatus (many reasons) and I skiied them hard for 2 years. Towards the end, as I started skiing better and faster, the tips would chatter at high speed, on the flats, if they weren't on edge.
I brought these to Fernie. They worked out "okay", but I know I should have had wider boards.

2004 (?) 172cm Rossignol RPM 100 Oversize 109-68-92
with Rossi/Look "bundled" bindings
This is the ski that I go to 95% of the time. I broke one in the Jay Peak Timbuktu glade 2 years ago. It snapped just in front of the toe binding. I got some strange looks as I hobbled down to the Jet Triple with one ski jutting up at a 45* angle! Rossi replaced the pair for free, so they are only "one year old".
There's a picture here:
http://tinyurl.com/ya9j9w

My last "skinny ski" was 200cm K2 KVC Comp with Salomon bindings.

What I am looking for is a ski to add to the quiver, which will take me into powder, either at Jay Peak or out west. I'm not opposed to picking up something used or year or 2 old leftovers.

I keep a close eye on Steep and Cheap and recently picked up a pair of Look PX 12 Lifter bindings and would like to use those, if possible. If the skis I get are too wide, I know that would probably have to get the wide brake add on.

Please advise what length to look for, too. You never know what will pop up on SaC!

Thanks in advance. This is my first day on this board and it looks like a great place!

Rich
post #2 of 19
I'd look for a ski in the mid 170cm to low 180cm range. With a 90+ waist.

If you like your Scream and RPM you might really like last years Rossi B4 or Scratch BC, or a Salomon Gun, a K2 Seth or Fischer Kehua.
post #3 of 19
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
I'd look for a ski in the mid 170cm to low 180cm range. With a 90+ waist.

If you like your Scream and RPM you might really like last years Rossi B4 or Scratch BC, or a Salomon Gun, a K2 Seth or Fischer Kehua.
Thanks for the reply.

I'm new here.

With 75 people viewing my query, and only one reply, would it be safe to say that Whiteroom's suggestions are right on the money?

Rich
post #4 of 19
I'd look for more of a carver, Atomic M: EX might be the ski. It has good float, turns and bites hard snow, and there always seems to be a deal on it. Those 90+ skis are specialty skis to some, the daily ski to others.
post #5 of 19
You may want to consider a mid-fat. K2-Recon, Legend 8000, Volkl AC4 or Rossi B3. Maybe even the Norica Top Fuel if you can get a deal on them.
post #6 of 19
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Originally Posted by newfydog View Post
I'd look for more of a carver, Atomic M: EX might be the ski. It has good float, turns and bites hard snow, and there always seems to be a deal on it. Those 90+ skis are specialty skis to some, the daily ski to others.
Well if you actually bothered to read his post you would see that he is looking for a quiver ski. I agree with whiteroom. High 170s to low 180s with 90+ waist.
post #7 of 19
Rich, you might want to post this in the techtalk section of the TGR message board to elicit some more responses.

Personally I would go with something in the mid 180s. Depending on what type of stiffness you are looking for, there are many choices.
post #8 of 19
Give your thread some time to simmer, folks will come and give you good info to consider.

IMO, unless you heli in west, I would not overlook and consider some good all mountain skis in the 78-88 range about 185cm that provide you good horespower; Dynastar Legend 8800, Rossignol Bandit B-3, Nordica Hot Rod Top fuel, Volkl AC4, K2 Apache Recon, Atomic Snoop, Salomon 1080 foil, K2 Apache Outlaw...all serving varied conditions and situations quite nicely.

Good Skiing!
post #9 of 19
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Originally Posted by Birdman829 View Post
Well if you actually bothered to read his post you would see that he is looking for a quiver ski. I agree with whiteroom. High 170s to low 180s with 90+ waist.
Nice tone! And Montclair wonders why 75 people read his post and only one answers.

Rich, I actually did read your post. I'm the same age, weight and ACL status as you, a former college racer and ski patroller. To me a good quiver is a mid 60 waisted ski for hardpack, mid 70's for mixed and mid 80's for powder.

I think for trees at Jay or five days at Fernie (where I live), a 175 M: EX with its 84mm waist would be great.

I lump those 90+ skis into specialty skis, along with race stock sl's, speed skis etc. I only prefer them for huge dumps on flattish areas.

Just an opinion from an actual skier, who actually read your post.
post #10 of 19
Well, considering my skinniest ski is 99 in the waist, I don't really consider 90+ a specialty ski. If you are looking for a quiver, get something that is different from what you have. Two skis that I would recommend would be a 183 volkl gotama and a 181 k2 apache chief.
post #11 of 19
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Originally Posted by newfydog View Post
Rich, I actually did read your post. I'm the same age, weight and ACL status as you, a former college racer and ski patroller. To me a good quiver is a mid 60 waisted ski for hardpack, mid 70's for mixed and mid 80's for powder.

I think for trees at Jay or five days at Fernie (where I live), a 175 M: EX with its 84mm waist would be great.

I lump those 90+ skis into specialty skis, along with race stock sl's, speed skis etc. I only prefer them for huge dumps on flattish areas.

Just an opinion from an actual skier, who actually read your post.
Newfydog,

Thanks so much for your input. I did notice that you are from Fernie on your first post. I saw a lot of Metrons the week that we were there. We spent our whole first day with Mountain Host "Rodger" getting the lay of the land. He skiied them and raved.

It might make sense to buy a mid-fat because they would probably get more use than a true powder ski. Absolutely in the east and most likely in the west. If I took, say, a M:EX out west it would be the "everyday" ski and I could demo 90+ skis on a deep powder day. I think that would make more sense than buying 90mm+ waist skis and having the choice between those and my 70mm waist ski.

Remember, I'm not an under the rope, out of bounds, backcountry skier.

Ready, Discuss............
post #12 of 19
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Originally Posted by montclair View Post
Newfydog,

I think that would make more sense than buying 90mm+ waist skis and having the choice between those and my 70mm waist ski.

Remember, I'm not an under the rope, out of bounds, backcountry skier.

Ready, Discuss............

Then the M:Ex sounds pretty good. One thing many people have noted about that ski is that it is good when the powder is chopped up.
post #13 of 19
You're not an "under the rope, out of bounds' skier?? Where do you ski at Jay, the trails?

If you're looking midfat, and like the skis you have, I would recommend the Rossi B3. It is fun in tight areas, in bumps and it will hold an edge on firm surfaces.
post #14 of 19
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
You're not an "under the rope, out of bounds' skier?? Where do you ski at Jay, the trails?
I ski the trails and the glades. I was referring to western, wide open, powder skiing.

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
If you're looking midfat, and like the skis you have, I would recommend the Rossi B3. It is fun in tight areas, in bumps and it will hold an edge on firm surfaces.
Thanks for that.

Rich
post #15 of 19
Seriously, there is no reason to buy a ski less than 90 in the waist for western skiing (unless you're Bob Peters, and that guy ain't right). 90+ is better for crud, powder, glop, mank and pretty much anything you'll find off trail. The 181 chiefs would be plenty quick enough at your weight to ski with back east.

And you guys need to stop referring to those skinny skis as 'midfats', 95 is the new midfat.
post #16 of 19
Id hit up the seths.
Kida skinny for "fat" skis but works well in powder
Really nice on groomers, fairly forgiving flex yet at the same time stiff enough to handle crud etc

if your 190lbs id go for the 189 but thats just me
post #17 of 19
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Originally Posted by zion zig zag View Post
...unless you're Bob Peters, and that guy ain't right.
Triple Z, better claim it, somebody will be using that as their forum quote if not you!
post #18 of 19
Ditch the Screams and put the 914s on a 179 Seth or 186 Big Trouble.
post #19 of 19
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Ditch the Screams and put the 914s on a 179 Seth or 186 Big Trouble.
Not an option (I don't think). The 914's are Pilot bindings.

Anyway, as of this year, the Screams are going to be my rock skis.
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