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Profeet v Le Ski Lab

post #1 of 15
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Hi,

I need new boots, my boots (Nordica Beast 10s) were too big to start with and despite the addition of a large amount of foam and volume reducers they still are not great.

My options in terms of bootfitters seem to be Profeet, who are in London and seem to be generally well reccomended and Jaques from Le ski Lab in Winter Park (where I am spending the season) who is on the Epicski list of bootfitters.

Going to Profeet would give me the confidence that as soon as I get to WP I will have boots and be able to go skiing but if they don't fit right adjustment may be an issue. Also I can see exactly how much everything is going to cost (but it is quite a lot!)

With Jaques, he is right there if anything isn't working so will hopefully be able to sort it out. But only stocks 3 different sorts of boots (can they really be that adjustable?) and doesn't seem to have any prices on his site.

Does anyone have any experience with either of these fitters, especially le ski lab (anyone know how much they cost?)

Thanks

Jim
post #2 of 15
I think if you have the opportunity to go to Jaques whenever you need to, it would be worth it.

I got boots from Jaques because I was planning on skiing at Winter Park on a more regular basis, but I ended up going to Summit County more frequently.

As of right now, I have a pretty good fit, and I can only imagine they will get better. But I need to go see him at least once or twice this year.

Last year he was selling more models than he has on his website. He is selling the zx models and the kryptons, and he has a few of each. The price is more or less the MSRP for the boot plus 175 for the zipfit and the custom insole. I got the ZX supersport which was just under 600 for the boot and I ended up around 800 for the total, I think.

I cannot wear any off the shelf insoles and I was worried about the custom insole, but he did a great job with those, they are unbelievable.

If you can go see him on a regular basis, this will really help. He does not charge for any adjustments and people are always dropping in to see him. Last year he had two assistants who seemed to be doing a great job.
post #3 of 15
Jacques is my go-to man for 3-piece boot experience, he did a ton of work on some Scarpas and some Koflachs I brought him for less than $100 each.
post #4 of 15
I have the best ever footbeds from Jacques which i wouldn't trade for anything. but i have not had good luck with him fitting boots. I've had two pair from him and my husband one pair. None of them were what I'd call a success. I notice that people are constantly coming back in for extra fittings. the last pair he sold me were way too big and he foamed the bejeebers out of them and they were horrible. Many people swear by him and as i said his footbeds are wonderful. but i think his marketing is a bit hyped up.

There are many very good bootfitters in WP and i would personally recommend you go to a several stores in WP (including ski lab), try on a bunch of brands of boots and find the one that is the closest to perfect out of the box and have it worked on, rather than forcing your foot into the brands that a particular bootfitter sells. No one is going to carry every brand. You will know it when you find a boot that is right.

It is probably better to get the boots on site in WP than in London because you will not know where they are going to need adjusting until you ski them for a day or more. IF you buy them in London and they need tweaking, you will have to pay (possibly a lot) to have them worked on by a place that didn't sell them to you.
post #5 of 15
This suggestion really compromises the boot fitter, but why pay retail for the shell if you're going to install a custom liner? Why not shop around a bit for a boot where you get a decent shell fit and take advantage of a lower price and apply that savings to the money you will pay for the fitting expertise and custom liner?
post #6 of 15
I think that you might also want to consider dropping over the pass to Breck and talking with Jeff Bergeron. You may have read of my experience with him in that thread here and to reiterate, I think he's one of the best fitters and balancing specialists on the planet. Highly recommended.
post #7 of 15
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Originally Posted by roundturns View Post
This suggestion really compromises the boot fitter, but why pay retail for the shell if you're going to install a custom liner?
This is a reasonable question, but the way i see it is this. He charges you retail for the boot and retail for the zipfit. I don't really see zipfits going for cheaper than he is charging (around 175, I think).

So for the difference between the retail boot price and street boot price, you get a really nice set of custom insoles (no doubt on these, they are very well made) and his advice/adjustments for as long as you have the boot.

Seems pretty reasonable. It is not really different than charging less for the boot, while charging for the insole.
post #8 of 15
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Originally Posted by Mom View Post
I have the best ever footbeds from Jacques which i wouldn't trade for anything. but i have not had good luck with him fitting boots. I've had two pair from him and my husband one pair. None of them were what I'd call a success. I notice that people are constantly coming back in for extra fittings. the last pair he sold me were way too big and he foamed the bejeebers out of them and they were horrible. Many people swear by him and as i said his footbeds are wonderful. but i think his marketing is a bit hyped up.
I really hope I am not in this situation. I feel like I have a pretty good fit, but I wonder if I would have been better with someone else, with a larger selection of boot brands. His foot beds are unbelievable, no question. Right now I am struggling with a boot that is too tight and too loose at the same time. I am unbuckling all day and end up with cold and tired feet. That said, they are way better than my old/too large boots. I posted a question for Jeff B, maybe he has some advice.
post #9 of 15
If Jacques is only charging $175 for Zipfits you are getting an incredible bargain. I suspect his price is much higher. Either way it isn't relevant. If you want quality professional and knowledgeable care go to Jacques. If you want to save money then go to any shop ;you can find and let them butcher the job for you.
post #10 of 15
I went to Profeet in london friday and had boots fitted by Jimmy, I have very narrow feet and he put me in a boot a half size too small and i thought "no way" when they first went on but after custom footbeds and pressure analysis i finally have a tight fitting pari of boots.

Highly recommend getting them done here and then tweaked if necc in the states
post #11 of 15
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Originally Posted by jgarr View Post
I really hope I am not in this situation. I feel like I have a pretty good fit, but I wonder if I would have been better with someone else, with a larger selection of boot brands. His foot beds are unbelievable, no question. Right now I am struggling with a boot that is too tight and too loose at the same time. I am unbuckling all day and end up with cold and tired feet. That said, they are way better than my old/too large boots. I posted a question for Jeff B, maybe he has some advice.
Jgarr, Jaques is always true to his word in that you can go back again and again. Don't settle; keep at it until it's right. He is a very experienced bootfitter and well regarded, so I'm sure he'll get them right for you.
post #12 of 15
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Originally Posted by Mom View Post
Jgarr, Jaques is always true to his word in that you can go back again and again. Don't settle; keep at it until it's right. He is a very experienced bootfitter and well regarded, so I'm sure he'll get them right for you.
I appreciate your advice. I'll probably keep going back, but I can't help think that I might have been better off in a different shell.

Sorry for the hijack, Jim, but I hope our comments help. I would suggest that if if sounds like a lot of adjustments will be necessary, you may want to consider a shop that has a broad selection of brands.
post #13 of 15
Jaques knows his stuff. He's fitted me for all three of my boots and I believe that I could ski in any of them barefoot in total comfort. Yes, he's that good. (My first cheapo pair, my tele pair, and my bellos I upgraded to.)

Here's the deal though he's swamped and you have to make an appointment if your not a local or know him. So there is a bit of pressure to purchase the shells from him and just let him work his magic. But he'll fit any boot so look around and find what you want before hand if you desire. But whatever you do. Don't let any of the other knucklehead's in WP fit your boots (they're mostly local ski bums).

And yes it's true that people are constantly in and out of the shop getting tweaks. But that is because Jaques stands behind his work and wants all of his customers to be happy. Plus I've noticed that he gets a fair amount of Richy Rich types that don't know squat but just want to be pampered. So he aims to please and so he tugs here and bangs there but they don't leave until he's knows they're happy.

Good luck!!!
post #14 of 15
Always buy on the mountain if you have any issues you have a point of contact to go back to and fix for free.

My guess is that it will be cheaper also.
post #15 of 15
I would recommend that you acquire your boots and get them fitted in Colorado. You will need to get them adjusted, especially if you're going for a close fit. I know at least one bootfitter who won't sell you a pair of boots unless you're able to commit to the requisite return visits.

I spent nearly 20 years skiing in Winter Park. Jaques has a decent reputation, but I've also heard some horror stories. His selection of boots is limited, and not everyone likes Zipfits. Stories of lots of foam in a shell that is too large are especially disturbing.

Steve's suggestion that you check with Jeff Bergeron at Breckenridge is a good one. You could also check with Jim Shaw at the ski school and see if he has a current recommendation in Winter Park.

The quality of bootfitting and balancing varies from shop to shop and year to year, unfortunately. I was down there last January and went into one shop (not Le Ski Lab) just to see what they had. The person in the shop tried to sell me his fitting services, and went on at some length about the things he does that "other fitters" don't do, before saying something (I don't remember exactly what it was) that gave him away as a butcher.

You generally want to get ski boots smaller than your street shoe size. There are exceptions for particular feet, but if someone wants to sell you a boot that's the same size as your shoes, get another opinion. FWIW, my next boots will be two sizes smaller than my street shoes. They'll definately require some work!

Good luck. I don't enjoy buying boots. The right pair of boots, fitted and balanced accurately, can greatly help your skiing, but there is always a certain element of risk (the shell you committed to in the shop doesn't actually work that well for you) and it's costly in both time and money to do it right.
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