Originally Posted by MAGGOT
Thats the point, a boot should not fit "right" when you first get it. Find out whatever feels comfortable in the shop, brand new, then go one or two sizes down.
It only takes about 20 days to break in a liner (i think that terminolgy makes more sense than "packed out"), and then you have a liner that will fit properly for 150-200 days (to answer your question). Makes a lot more sense than having a liner that will feel great for 20 days, then way to big after that.
"Proper" fit right off the bat IS too small.
I'm glad you pointed that out - that's also kind of my "hidden agenda" here - to show that most stock liners are almost worthless and defeat the purpose of the ski boot. It seems absolutely crazy to me that most skiers have to suffer through an overly tight fit for the first few uses (whether that takes 3 days or 20) just to get the liners "acceptable". Then you keep skiing them while realizing that every time you use your boots your fit is actually continually changing (actually getting looser) as the liner continues to pack out and break down. Personally that's why I've skied in Thermoflex type liners (and now ZipFit) because I hate going through the pack out process.
I want manufacturers to start selling shells without liners and then come out with their own lines of liners that aren't built to sell boots in the shops, but are built to perform most efficiently at what they're supposed to do - support and control the foot. I have to admit that many of the stock liners have become much better over the past few years, but I think the manufacturers still cater to the skier that walks into the shop looking for the "comfy" feeling boot.
P.S. My original question was for discussion purposes and to get some real-world experiences on the table to support my assumption that Faisasy should be considering new liners. I'm well versed in how to get a properly sized boot.