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Fischer RX8 (2007) or Volkl Allstar (2007)? Which will suit me better?

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
Hello,

I am from Europe (Holland) and I go for a ski holiday once or twice a year in Austria or France. I am 27 years old, 191 cm and my weight is 80kg.

I lately sold my 2 years old Atomic SL9 because I didn't find them versatile enough. I would like a more allround ski that is a bit more forgiving.

I have read that the Fischer RX8 is a very good ski. I went to a shop to look at that ski. I was also offered a pair of Volkl Allstar (2007) for the same price as the Fischer RX8.

Which one would be better for me concerning my complaints about the SL9 that I sold (not allround enough).


Also: I have Salomon Ellipse 9.0 shoes. Are they good enough for such skis, or not because of the fact they are somekind of a softboot? I can buy Salomon Xwave 10 boots rather cheap. Will the be very different from my Ellipse shoes?

Thanks for your advise!

Robert
post #2 of 14
What do ou mean by not versatile enough. If you mean good in varied snow conditions, I think you should be looking at the Fischer AMC 76 or 79 and comparing to the Volkl AC4.
post #3 of 14
Thread Starter 
Not only versatile in snow conditions, but also different piste conditions (ice, fresh snow, of prepared piste) and also different technique (not only carving but also a little bit the old technique).

Which of those two (RX8 of Allstar) will suit better in that way?

thanks
post #4 of 14
I was considering those two skis as well...well actually I was thinking about the s5 or the rx8 along with a couple of other skis. However, most people said that for a variety of snow conditions and turn shapes a shorter rx9 would be better than the rx8. It has less sidecut so it can skid, making it better for the trees and bumps and it has a wider waist, so it might float a little better. Most reviews of the rx8 say that if you ski feet close together then forget about it, so if your looking to use a more classic tecnique, again you might want to consider the rx9. For your weight I would consider the 170. Here is the link to the thread.
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=46461
post #5 of 14
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Originally Posted by Robertv1979 View Post
Not only versatile in snow conditions, but also different piste conditions (ice, fresh snow, of prepared piste) and also different technique (not only carving but also a little bit the old technique).

Which of those two (RX8 of Allstar) will suit better in that way?

thanks
You can skid almost any ski. You are wasting your ski's potential if you don't ski it using modern technique (except possibly in the bumps). If you are going to ski anything but powder the two skis you mentioned would do fine. The RX-8 will lead you more into modern technique, because it really likes to carve. I still think you would get more versatility from the slightly wider skis, but the RX-8 is my main ski, and works for almost any conditions. I have skied the All-star, and find it to be very competent in all kinds of conditions as well (I never skied it in powder and would expect it to perform poorly because of its narrow waist). IF you are limited to the two skis you mentioned either one would serve well. I like the RX-8 better but that is a matter of taste.

Your boots should be fine for any of the skis we mentioned, but getting a good bootfitter to work them over will make a huge difference.
post #6 of 14
Here is my opinion...

I am 31, 5'9" and about 170 pounds, average build, and have been skiing since I was 5, but only a few weeks per year (average 10 days per year). I prefer long runs without stopping but absolutely ripping at hi speeds. I get into bumps occasionally and steeps quite a bit, but always head back to the long blues for the long blistering runs.

I used to own the old skool Rossignol 7S (in Tomba years that is) that used to do well since it was stiff as all hell. Moved to a K2 MSL in 195 which was also great for the all mountain skiing.

Fast forward to last year. I was ripping up the MSLs for years and was increasingly suffering the jabs from my buddy about being an old skool long planker. I got a pair of Volkl Allstars last year to rip up Beaver Creek, Vail and Breckenridge. I will say that I finally found a ski that allows me to ski the way I want, and that is always on a long carve SuperG style. The Volkl is simply pristine at holding a long wickedly fast carve. I took it into the steeps and junk and felt out of place. I went back to the long blues and felt incredible. Felt so good that I wondered what it would be like to say good bye to the wife and be a bum in a ski town for 3 month in the winter. That is how good they felt.

Since you like to get into different types of snow, I would stay away from the Allstars. They are made for blistering speed carving. Go with something else, unless you want to feel like GOD when ripping at insane speeds.
post #7 of 14
The RX8 hasn't changed in a number of years. The 2007 Allstar is a new ski. I find the RX8 more fun, more energetic, and more versatile. The Allstar, as brice mentions, is a very beefy ski, and prefers to be pushed very hard. Given what you're saying, I think the RX8 would be a better ski for you. The RX9 might be even better if you tend to prefer longer turns, but the RX8 is a real kick to ski!

You might also want to check out the Nordica Mach 3 Power (or the regular Mach 3) and the Elan Speedwave 14 as alternatives that are energetic but also are a bit more damp than the Fischers.

It is far more important that the boots be fit to your feet and your body than anything else. They need to have the right angles to map to what your stance requires, plus be the right basic shape to map to the shape of your feet. Only a truly competent bootfitter/balancing specialist can do that.
post #8 of 14
Thread Starter 
Thank you all for your reply. I tend to buy the RX8

Which length will be right? I am 1.90cm and my weight is 78kg (sorry I don't know the inches because we don't use them here).

Thanks
post #9 of 14
I would not classify the RX8 or AllStar as versatile skis. They are really designed to be driven fast and hard on harder snow by a competant pilot. The AllStar will not aggree with bumps unless you really have refinded skills. The RX8 will handle bumps but still would not be my first choice if versatility is the key. The RX8 is a relatively stiff and quick turner that likes to be ridden on edge.

Based on your skills and desires I would look at the Metron 8 or 9, Contact 9 or 10, or the K2 Recon. These skis will be much more versatile in variable snow and much easier to handle. The AllStar is a handfull.
post #10 of 14
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Originally Posted by Robertv1979 View Post
Thank you all for your reply. I tend to buy the RX8

Which length will be right? I am 1.90cm and my weight is 78kg (sorry I don't know the inches because we don't use them here).

Thanks
This converts to approximately 6 feet 172 pounds. A ski that is arouind 170cm would be about right.
post #11 of 14
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Originally Posted by Lostboy View Post
This converts to approximately 6 feet 172 pounds. A ski that is arouind 170cm would be about right.
I am 185 lbs and have ski'd both 165 and 170 (I own 170's) extensively. The difference between the 2 lengths is significant. See the below listed thread for detail. I also own 168 2006 Allstars, but the ski is changed for 2007 thus I can't comment unfortunately so I won't bump my 14000+ views allstar thread, it is no longer relevant( I need new skis to review)

Read our comments(3 bears) on skiing both the 165 and the 170 and choose accordingly based on what you want the ski to do....I might lean you a bit to the 165 based on what you've said here....and your weight.

Either way great ski, great choice and please post your impression/review of what you purchase. Have a great season!

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread...4&referrerid=8
post #12 of 14
I'd agree. If you are looking for more of a slalom carver 165 could be a good choice.
post #13 of 14
I really enjoyed the RX8 in a 170 cm length, and I weigh 165 lbs. It seemed to be the perfect compromise between stability and turn-ability.
post #14 of 14
Both of these skis are really geared to carving on hard groomed snow. Neither is a real versatile ski. I have the RX-8 and it's a phenomenal ski for carving and skiing fast on hard snow. But for all mountain use, there are far better skis. Something with a 76-79mm waist width would be a better choice.

I don't think the RX-8 or Allstar will be any more versatile than the Atomics you had, seriously. They are all somewhat of a one-trick-pony type of ski.

The Xwave 10 is a very good boot, but much much stiffer than what you have now. You may want to consider an Xwave 7 or 8 (8 has a better liner). If you can find a shop with all of these, try them all for flex and compare to your old boots. You may want to go a little stiffer, but not a lot. In general, I have found it's good to have more flex than less flex, all else considered. And it probably goes without saying, but make sure the boots have the right fit for you!

Good luck!
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