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Dynastar versus Volkl

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
Just wanted to see some opinions.
I'm not too experienced in skiing, but have accumulated some experience while skiing (end enjoying it!) for 3 years now, being on basic Dynastar Omecarve 09 myself, but often borrowing friends' high performance skis, mostly from Volkl and Dynastar.
There is an interesting thing I wanted to ask the community's opinion about. I've skied on Omeglass 67 and P60 from these two opposing companies, and, joining that to my humble experience with Omecarve 09, found that Dynastar behaves (I'm talking about hardpack here) very lively and expressively compared to the Volkl. Volkl, however, goes solidly, like a tank, cutting the surface like a scalpel. I find that these skis, while being in the same category, are behaving with quite different flavours.
(personally, I liked Volkl more than Dynastar, though both skied amazingly)
This led me to thinking about what the major difference between Dynastar and Volkl could be.
Of course, I may be wrong and inexperienced, but would be grateful for any kind of insight.
post #2 of 19
Well, Dynastar is French, and they are full bodied, voluptous, mellow, even flexing, and sensous but spirted with a touch of snap.*
Volkls are German; precise, stable, dependable and solid, yet quick and lively.**

Mantras are their love child.

*experience based only on the Legend series...
**based on a long and varied relationship...
post #3 of 19
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Originally Posted by Mr. Crab View Post
Well, Dynastar is French, and they are full bodied, voluptous, mellow, even flexing, and sensous but spirted with a touch of snap.*
Volkls are German; precise, stable, dependable and solid, yet quick and lively.**

Mantras are their love child.

*experience based only on the Legend series...
**based on a long and varied relationship...
The Dynastars also have a nice nutty after taste.
post #4 of 19
Thread Starter 
Yeah, this is sort of what I found. I feel like a on a lively racing horse on Dynastars and like on some cool racing bike on Volkls. Dynastars tend to turn here and there, very sensitive to uneven surfaces. Volkl, however, destroys. It simply owns the slightly uneven surface. Very hard to describe the feeling.
post #5 of 19
I can't think of a way to say it nicely, so I'll just say it: I've always found Volkls to be very dead (with the exception of the Karma). I've also found Volkls to be popular with the heel-pushing, backseat-sitting, crotchety old man crowd. Any ski with as heavyweight a construction as a Volkl will feel "snappy" when you're sitting on your tails all the time.


For a truly lively, energetic ski, Dynastar is #1.
post #6 of 19
Thread Starter 
C'mon man, they are not that bad!
And thanks for excluding Karmas from the dead camp, makes me optimistic about my '07 pair that I haven't skied yet.

I'm used to Dynastar, they are, indeed, lively. But sometimes too lively. Sometimes one wants to go through unevenness like knife through butter, and Volkl can give that.
post #7 of 19
I used to find Dynastars to be light and lively, but of late then have gotten very heavy. I tried my father in laws Dynastar slalom skis that were fun though. I had some Volkl 724 Pros that did nothing for me, but the AC4 was nice. Even w/in a line there are different characteristics to make a blanket statement abotu a whole manufacturer can't be done any more.
post #8 of 19
Strangely enough those are the brands who build the skis I have the most enjoyed those last years, for different reasons.
Actualy I'm quite a Dynastar fan and usualy love their 'top of the line' models, for (indeed) the good mix of liveliness, forgivness and performance.
But I've been also pleased by the solid feel of Volkls, obtained without compromising their versatility. But usualy not in their 'flagship' models (ie, I loved the Allstar, not the Superspeed).
Something I hate in a ski is the feeling of being stuck in the sidecut. I love as much as the next guy the feeling of a good carved turn on rails, and a good edge grip is mandatory to me. But, label me old school, I want to be able to skid, 'glide', you name it, without hassle. Both brands tend to make skis with those somewhat opposed abilities.
post #9 of 19

German ski companies (Volkl, Atomic,Fischer, etc) generally mount their bindings further back which is more comfortable for some skiers and for those who skid their turns. The French companies (Rossignol, Salomon, Dynastar etc) mount their bindings further forward which helps you stay forward and carve more easily. It depends on how you're built, how you ski and what you like. Many complain about snappy skis throwing them around and many complain about a stable ski being dead. 

post #10 of 19
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Originally Posted by Tooslow View Post

 

German ski companies (Volkl, Atomic,Fischer, etc) generally mount their bindings further back which is more comfortable for some skiers and for those who skid their turns. The French companies (Rossignol, Salomon, Dynastar etc) mount their bindings further forward which helps you stay forward and carve more easily. It depends on how you're built, how you ski and what you like. Many complain about snappy skis throwing them around and many complain about a stable ski being dead. 

 

Well stated. Fischers tend to feel lively & light, except the Flowflex models which are more heavy & stable. Dynastars are lively if skied a little on the short size. An overly long length in a Dynastar can feel dead.

 

Michael

post #11 of 19

Dynastars can often be had for 1/2 the price of the equivalent Volkl. That's always tipped the balance for me.

post #12 of 19

Dynastars are not as French as Rossis and Salomons.  There are a few German and Austrian cousins somewhere in the family.  I've found that Dynastars and Volkls compliment one another quite well.  I like both brands with the caveat that I haven't skied any of the Chinese made Volkls.

post #13 of 19

I think Phil said it best in that you really can't completely characterize an entire manufacturers line of skis with a single description any longer.  The lines of many manufacturers have become very varied in both their construction and their intent.

 

Also noted is the binding mounting point which plays a great deal into how the same ski will feel to different skiers (along with ski length).  I will always recommend that everyone completely ignore the manufacturers' "suggested" mounting point and instead use the BoF method as a starting point.

 

BTW - Personally I love most Volkls and so do a ton of other very good skiers who do not ski in the back seat.  That previous comment regarding old men in the back seat preferring Volkls was ridiculous.

post #14 of 19

Staying with German made Vokyls and comparing like models, one could compare the Mantra with the Legend Pro Rider, similar demensions, same performance area (hvy pow and crud, corn, and mixed). IMO, the LP is more versatile off piste by virtue of less side cut, way less side cut to the tail. I thought the Mantra (demoing so I don't know the tune) had a powerful crud busting tip, but a flacid tail, and put too much tip sidecut, probably for carving groom, The LP had a classic feel and first time out on them felt like I'd ridden them forever.

 

post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by Noodler View Post

 

BTW - Personally I love most Volkls and so do a ton of other very good skiers who do not ski in the back seat.  That previous comment regarding old men in the back seat preferring Volkls was ridiculous.


 

I agree, I'm an old man who skis in the backseat and I love my Dynastars.

post #16 of 19

How many skis from each of the companies have you tried?

 

I have a pair of P60s (SC racing version) for use on piste when coverage isn't great (got them for £80 off ebay). Nice skis, solid and precise but without the energy of atomic and fischer.

 

Only tried the mythic rider from dynaster. That felt smooth, hefty, even and stable but not energetic.

post #17 of 19

I nearly got nauseated when Chinese made Volkls were mentioned.  Just does not sound right to me.

 

I love the Chinese, just not too thrilled with some of the stuff they make for us. Most of the stuff they make for us. I do like the food and fireworks though.

 

I tried some 8000's last year and they stunk. Do I blame the ski? NO. I assume the tune was junk, not the boards.

 

This thread has me planning to try Volkls and Dynastars soon, especially 4x4's. Thanks all.

post #18 of 19

I like my Dynastars fine. But I'm livin' on Chinese Goats. 

post #19 of 19
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Originally Posted by narc View Post

 

Only tried the mythic rider from dynaster. That felt smooth, hefty, even and stable but not energetic.

I tried the mythic rider once. I agree felt it was not energetic and also how do I say "hard" underfoot.  It was a heavy pow day and or it may have been the tune but I was not feeling the MR. I have not tried other dynastars...

 

 

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