Originally Posted by SierraJim
Trying to slap a slide rule on this is equivelant to quantifying ski performance in deep snow by width alone. Neither will (alone) deliver a valid answer. I ski about 50-70 different skis every year (and I own two skis in the 95-100mm range) I am not anti-fat skis but they have serious limitations for some skiers.
When testing, if I ski the way I normally might, Ie: fairly fast and with a high edge, fat skis are great. OTH, when I test skis for turn shape versatility, ease of transition from short turns to long turns, and manuverability in bumps, fat skis are ponderous.
Over years as a ski rep and now later in life as a retailer again, I have handed skis to many hundreds of skiers, sent them out on the hill and often watched them come down. I have usually been able to interview them at the end. The average skier is probably a level 6.4227534 (give or take) and says they are a good intermediate/low advanced skier. The fact is that many of them can't buy a high edge angle with a BIG bag of quarters.
These skiers struggle when they are on skis that are too wide. They can't find an edge, apply edge and pressure progressively, and they have trouble maintaining pressure though the turn. Most folks of this description have to resort to muscle to get really wide skis around. Naturally the threshold of too wide varies from skier to skier.
I could ski on a 90-100mm ski every day, but choose not to because they are often a bore. More importantly, most skiers are not me and they are also not the big mountain types that endlessly promote wide skis because that is what they ski on and like.
This is not new news and I am not the first to come to this conclusion.
First, about me,
I couldn't buy a high edge angle with a big bad of Susan B Anthonys...
But, I really don't want to, I like quick turning. I'll go big angle on occasion if I'm riding an edge around a big GS turn, or sometimes when I match the track of a good snowboarder, but for the most part I'm having quick edge to edge fun. It's been more times than I could count, like when I'm in a clinic, or I decide to concentrate on my turns that one of my friends would watch me, then ask, "when the hell did you learn how to ski".
Which brings me back on topic, every 80+ mm waisted ski I've tried, I've been bored silly, they are so sluggish. I also do very good in powder, or east coast cement, with my soft 70 mm waisted ski, but I really do want to get a midfat (to you guys) ski for those situations. Jim, any suggestions on a 80-90 mm waisted ski that I should put on a list to demo?
Off the top of my head, here's some skis I've tried and were OK but I wouldn't buy them...
Fischer AMC76, AMC79
Rossi B2 (yes, the B2 was too sluggish, I'm on B1s)
Blizzard Titans (8.2?)
Solly Pocket Rockets
I did like the Salomon 1080 (not the mogul or the gun or the foil or any other variation, I'm talking the original 1080, yellow, circa 1998-2001?,of which I don't know the waist, but I think it was in the high 70s) Which is why I bought the Salomon 1080 CR Labs, so I hopefully answered my own problem.