EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › On the Snow (Skiing Forums) › Ski Gear Discussion › Volkl S5, Fischer RX 8, Volkl AC3, K2 Apache Crossfire
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Volkl S5, Fischer RX 8, Volkl AC3, K2 Apache Crossfire

post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
I posted a thread a while back asking for the best skis for bumps and trees, but then my buddy pointed out to me when I told him I'd be kicking his ass down the moguls that he (on his Atomic SX 11's 180cm) would destroy me down any groomed run. Now I have an inferiority complex. Basically I'm looking for a ski that can at least sort of keep up, carve hard pack (Killington hardpack=ice) But still be nimble in the bumps. I think people were getting caught up on the fact that last time I said I like to ski the trees, but often times the trees in Killington are just wooded icy mogul runs, so I'm thinking the extra waist of the 8000's or the Karma's would be overkill. These are the skis that I've heard would be good. Any thoughts? Also there seems to be a 50/50 split in the people I've talked to on whether or not metal laminate skis will bend easily. One guy told me when I asked about the volkl's that the metal sheets were so thin that the odds of them getting permanently bent were slim.
post #2 of 13
Rx 8 is a great ski and can keep up with a SX11 and still do bumps.
S5 or 5 star can also do bumps but probably not as quick as an RX8.
Crossfire is a bit softer ski than either of the above- can do both but you have to be a K2 fan which has a different feel than a fischer or Volkl.
Ac3- good all mountain ski but not as quick as a cross ski like the Sx11.

You might want to consider an Sx10 which is a bit easier in bumps than an SX11 and is still a pretty darn good carver and can be had for a song in last years model- very nice prices for a very nice ski. Just IMHO.
post #3 of 13
Thread Starter 
I will say I have a fairly old school technique with a lot of weighting and unweighting and pivoting. Now I plan on taking lessons to widen my legs out, but I think I'll always have a fairly narrow stance...maybe a few inches in between ski boots. Can the RX 8 handle that, or is it meant to be skied with a wide racing stance? Also, when the reviews say it does bumps well, is it talking about carving the trough, or feet together zipperline?
post #4 of 13
Forget the SX10; there is no way it will keep up with an SX11 on any kind of hard snow given a skilled pilot, bumps or no bumps. An RX8 is a good compromise between bumps, trees, icy bumps with trees and flat-out maching on the groomed, but the SX11 will still have you beat when things open up. If you're just talking about high speed ripping, then a Fischer WC SC will keep up with the SX11 on the smooth groomed, though it won't feel as good making longer radius turns. It will not adapt well to slow speeds, and will feel awkwardly stiff in the big icy bumps, but I think it will beat the SX11s through them if you have the will to put the hammer down and blast them.

BTW I weigh 165 lbs. If you weigh 200 lbs the WC SCs will work just fine in bumps for you.
post #5 of 13
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
Forget the SX10; there is no way it will keep up with an SX11 on any kind of hard snow given a skilled pilot, bumps or no bumps. An RX8 is a good compromise between bumps, trees, icy bumps with trees and flat-out maching on the groomed, but the SX11 will still have you beat when things open up. If you're just talking about high speed ripping, then a Fischer WC SC will keep up with the SX11 on the smooth groomed, though it won't feel as good making longer radius turns. It will not adapt well to slow speeds, and will feel awkwardly stiff in the big icy bumps, but I think it will beat the SX11s through them if you have the will to put the hammer down and blast them.

BTW I weigh 165 lbs. If you weigh 200 lbs the WC SCs will work just fine in bumps for you.
I don't need to necessarily beat the guy...he has 180 cm sx 11's and I would never go that high on a cross ski. However all I want is to keep up with him enough to keep him from ripping on me in the lodge , and I know the RX 8 will do that. However I don't want a ski like the sx 11 where I have to carve my turns 100% of the time. I like skidding out every now and then and being able to mix it up.
post #6 of 13
I would consider the RX-9. It has a straighter shape than the other skis mentioned and is very forgiving of turn techniques (low edge skidding vs. high edge carves). It also has all the edge grip anybody could want short of a race course.

SJ
post #7 of 13
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
I would consider the RX-9. It has a straighter shape than the other skis mentioned and is very forgiving of turn techniques (low edge skidding vs. high edge carves). It also has all the edge grip anybody could want short of a race course.

SJ
I had considered the rx9, but was worried about its performance in the bumps. But I liked that it had a narrower tip than the rx8. How is the rx9 with short turns? I'm 6'1 190 lbs and a level 7 skier. Probably looking at a 170 cm or 175 cm...the 175 if it can make tight sweeping turns on steep terrain without overpowering me. Thanks.
post #8 of 13
Quote:
Originally Posted by cabrown317 View Post
I had considered the rx9, but was worried about its performance in the bumps. But I liked that it had a narrower tip than the rx8. How is the rx9 with short turns? I'm 6'1 190 lbs and a level 7 skier. Probably looking at a 170 cm or 175 cm...the 175 if it can make tight sweeping turns on steep terrain without overpowering me. Thanks.
Great question.

A deeper shape with a wider tip can/will make a tighter carve. The thing is, you don't carve turns in bumps (at least not for very long..... ). While the RX-8 may feel a little more nimble, it would probably be less forgiving in bumps. Remember that true mogul skis are fairly narrow and relatively straight.

SJ
post #9 of 13
Thread Starter 
Absolutely. So it seems then that a 170 cm RX9 would be a good choice given my level and desired performance. Thanks for the suggestion. I've been nervous from the get go about how carve oriented the RX8 was. But the reviews said great in the bumps. I'm guessing the RX8 would be better at carving through the troughs, and what's the challenge in that? I'll definitely add this ski to my demo list...if only they were cheaper. Oh well...nothing worth having comes easy. Thanks again.
post #10 of 13
Quote:
Originally Posted by cabrown317 View Post
I don't need to necessarily beat the guy...he has 180 cm sx 11's and I would never go that high on a cross ski. However all I want is to keep up with him enough to keep him from ripping on me in the lodge , and I know the RX 8 will do that. However I don't want a ski like the sx 11 where I have to carve my turns 100% of the time. I like skidding out every now and then and being able to mix it up.
Invest in some tuning supplies. An Iron, good wax, a plastic scraper, a couple of brushes, a side edge guide, and a rough and smooth diamond stone. Use the right wax for the temperature. Put a little spray-on wax on the bases just before you go up the hill. RX9 is probably a good candidate. I don't know how well is skis sideways. If you get the WC SC, you will find it can sideslip (1 degree base angle), but you won't want to do anything other than carve. The WC models are really just for ripping though, not for going slow at all. The RX line can be used for just cruizing.
post #11 of 13
Realistically, you'd probably love both but the RX-9 is just a gem within it's category. I like Fischers a whole lot and think that their balance of grip and forgiveness makes them a great choice in the expert category without the work load of say a Volkl or a Nordica nor the wimpyness of a....well....uhhhh....

SJ
post #12 of 13
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
Realistically, you'd probably love both but the RX-9 is just a gem within it's category. I like Fischers a whole lot and think that their balance of grip and forgiveness makes them a great choice in the expert category without the work load of say a Volkl or a Nordica nor the wimpyness of a....well....uhhhh....

SJ
It's ok you can say it...I used to own the Rossi B2's. Not a whole lot of rebound energy. Great all mountain ski, but my style was too, I guess the word would be Angry. A lot of hard leaning and pushing through the turn.
post #13 of 13
Seconds on the RX9 but look at the new '06/'07 iXRC 1400 as well.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Ski Gear Discussion
EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › On the Snow (Skiing Forums) › Ski Gear Discussion › Volkl S5, Fischer RX 8, Volkl AC3, K2 Apache Crossfire