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karmas too stiff?

post #1 of 15
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so i've been looking into the volkl karmas and from what i've heard they sound like the perfect ski that i'm looking for. the only drawback is that i've heard from a lot of people that they are a very stiff ski. Im just a little girl, 5'4, about 115lbs but im a very aggresive skier. i ski trees, bumps, groomers really fast, and the occasional run in the park. please give your input especially if you've skiied the karmas and feel free to give suggestions for other skiis to, i really appreciate it
post #2 of 15
I ski 'em. Don't find 'em too stiff, at least not when put up next to my No Ka Ois!



This is from the Relative Flex Thread over at TGR:

RELATIVE FLEXES:
10- titan pro / Squad (280+)
9 - supa stiff bros / capital stiffs (270)
8 - LP / Monster / explosiv / dp #3 (260)
7 - big daddy / stockli dp (250)
6 - ANT / extra stiff kingswood / stiff bros
5 - mantra / ak swallowtail / dp #2 (240)
4 - gotama / soft bros / reg. kingswood (230)
3 - yellow ak rockets / sugar daddy ?
2 - PR / lawnchair (200 or less)
1 - sanouk/made'n
0 - green ak rockets


I think the Karma is a wee bit stiffer than the Mantra...
post #3 of 15
I think it might be too stiff, but you'd have to ski it to tell. Where do you usually ski? You might have a little trouble flexing them in the bumps over here on the eastcoast. But you're in luck, volkl makes a woman's version of the karma called the queen ativa. I friend of mine has them and absolutely loves them.
post #4 of 15
A 169 Karma should be just fine for you. The Karma's are not what I would call a stiff ski. Explosiv's are stiff, Karma's are not.

FWIW, HB Jr. (12 yrs. old, 4'9", 112#'s soaking wet, Level 7 skier) skis a 169 Karma.

Also FWIW, I found the 185 Karma too soft for me when I was riding it 3 years ago.

Lastly, the Queen Attiva is not the women's version on the Karma.

HB
post #5 of 15
Ditto freeskier75 - the Queen Attiva has the same shape as the Karma but has a different wood in the core and is softer. You might also want to check out the Salomon Mynx.
post #6 of 15
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Originally Posted by HarkinBanks View Post
Lastly, the Queen Attiva is not the women's version on the Karma.
Yes it is.

HB Jr. is skiing in JH or some such isn't he. I'm guessing ECskier skis on the East Coast, and might want a softer ski for our rock hard bumps.
post #7 of 15
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Originally Posted by epic View Post
Yes it is.
I'd consider the Queen Attiva the womens version of the T-Rock, not the Karma. They all have the same sidecut, but the Karma has metal in it, while the T-Rock and the Queen Attiva do not.

Just wanted to explain my position.

And maybe you're correct on the East Coast thing - HB Jr skis at Targhee and thinks Utah snow is "icy".:

HB
post #8 of 15
The queen attiva is not a twin tip. It is made from the same press as the T-Rock as Harkin mentioned. Back to the original post, I think you could probably ski the Karma but you might look at the K2 Missdemeanor, the Salomon Mynx, or maybe the Rossi Scratch Girl
post #9 of 15
The Karma is a stiff twintip, but not a stiff ski overall when compared to say the supersport or unlimitted series. Hmm..I'm not sure about the Karma's having metal. I've heard the rumor of titanial inserts, but I'd like to see something to back that up.
post #10 of 15
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Originally Posted by bszekely View Post
The Karma is a stiff twintip, but not a stiff ski overall when compared to say the supersport or unlimitted series. Hmm..I'm not sure about the Karma's having metal. I've heard the rumor of titanial inserts, but I'd like to see something to back that up.
I don't think it has metal either although there are strips of metal on the sides under the topsheets to protect them.
post #11 of 15
You're right, I was considering saying it has the same dimensions as the karma, but is softer for women, but I was lazy. AFAIK, the T-Rock is a tele ski and the queens are for alpine (generally speaking here) so it seems to me, the queens are meant to fill the Karma's position for women (minus the jibing as it only has a slight roll up in the back)
post #12 of 15
I ski the karma's and I'd say go for it. Ski it short, the 169 at the longest for your size, but if you're aggressive and have good technique, you'll love them. They're great all over the mountain, and even at 87 underfoot, they still rock in the bumps (I live in Winter Park ... we have the occasional mogul here). I have a good friend on Ski Patrol who is your size and she says her Karma's are the best skis she's ever ridden
post #13 of 15
i am not a bumper by a longshot, but i can work my karmas through them with a fair amount of ease. and they'll rip up the light 1" to 2" powder and packed powder like nobody's biz (I had 2 of the best days ever last season off the T-Bar @ Breckinridge on my Karmas).
post #14 of 15
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Originally Posted by dookey67 View Post
they'll rip up the light 1" to 2" powder and packed powder like nobody's biz (I had 2 of the best days ever last season off the T-Bar @ Breckinridge on my Karmas).
I'm hoping you meant feet and not inches in your measurement there... I can't imagine taking something of a Karma's width out unless I'm in snow up to my hips.
post #15 of 15
Nope, I meant inches. Perhaps I would boost my original parameters up to 1" - 4" (the amount of powder that would cover the sole and maybe up to the ankle of your boots, but no deeper).

When you're talking feet+ of powder, well that's when my Karmas stay on the wall. When you're talking feet+ of powder, that's when the Mantras hit the slopes. I mean that's what the 94mm waist was meant for! My Karmas are my all-mountain ripper for post-post storm days and hardpack action.
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