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post #1 of 9
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So Im looking at buying one pair of skis this season. I work at a local K2/salomon dealer and am very familiar with all the mainstream alpine skis. That said, Iv been peeping the K2 apache outlaw. Though this seems like a fun ski and offers the desired size and geometry, its still a plate ski and can only be purchased with the marker m1200. A good binding indeed, but I want a ski that I can put an AT binding on, and unfortunately we do not deal with any AT or tele gear.

K2s new and improved mt baker is now available with the same demensions (L181; W124/88/111) as the apache outlaw, however, I heard it is still a VERY soft ski... even though K2 added some metal to the mix. This caught my interest because I can score these boards for a very decent price and they are the same shape and size as the outlaw. Any input on these skis?

The second ski Im considering is the Black Diamond Havoc in a 183. Again, would like to run these with an AT binding, but it may end up being a true alpine binding until I can afford some Fritschis. I checked these out today at another shop and are nice and stiff and surprisingly light.

The third ski, which seems way out of line, but may work is the K2 PE in a 179. I ride no park what so ever. Again, the sizing is appealing but Im not sure if these will be stiff and stable enough at higher speed. Any backcountry riders on these?

I'll be skiing mostly off piste and in a considerable amount of crud with an occasional groomer run. I have a variety of slalom and gs skis I can ski when I really want to ski some groomers. I dont want a ski thats tooo wide; moderately quick edge to edge is important. I love deep snow, chutes, trees, bowls, etc. Im trying to chose a ski that will suit my wants.

cheeeers,

travis
post #2 of 9

skis skis skis

some imput here would help such as your height and weight. the public enemy is supprisingly a stiff and stable ski. i was choosing between it and a volkl karma and the karma won because of its hold on hard snow. not that the pe didnt hold just not as well. as far as backcountry i would deffinently consider the pe
post #3 of 9
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Just realizing that I should have posted this in the gear forum... Anyway, the PE was recomended to me by another AT rider, so I am considering that ski... especially for the price. The tails just seemed relatively soft when compared to the BD havoc. I have not skied any of these skis, and in fact this purhcase will be my first pair of non-race skis since shaped skis hit the market. This is why im trying to get imput from others. Im about 5'11" and weigh 165lbs... 170 on the weekends.
post #4 of 9
all those skis sound good man, i have only tried the PE and I loved it. I t was great in the deep stuff and was very stable for a twin. I have also heard a lot of good stuff about the Armada ARV. It has a 90mm underfoot so it is pretty wide but maybe you should consider that as well. I have never ridden on it though, so I don;t have any first hand knowledge.
post #5 of 9

Something to consider

If you are still interested in the outlaw, one option would be to buy last years ski, which was available flat. It is the same ski, with the exception of the binding mounts that are now built into the 2007 model.

Check out eBay, I've seen the 2006 model flat there over the past few weeks.
post #6 of 9
Thread Starter 
Thats a possability... but I can get great deals on all of this years skis. No word on the Baker?
post #7 of 9
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Originally Posted by cliNic View Post
all those skis sound good man, i have only tried the PE and I loved it. I t was great in the deep stuff and was very stable for a twin. I have also heard a lot of good stuff about the Armada ARV. It has a 90mm underfoot so it is pretty wide but maybe you should consider that as well. I have never ridden on it though, so I don;t have any first hand knowledge.
I ride the ARV's and I have to say they are some great off-piste skis, very versatile, but still rip those long deep powder turns. They are really soft, so if you are heavier they might flex too much for you on the chop.
post #8 of 9
Just a thought, but have you considered the Atomic Snoop Daddy? Similar dimensions and sold flat.
post #9 of 9
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THe snoop daddy was one of the first on my list, however we do not deal with atomic where I work, which means no deal. On the same note, I just found out today that we can only proform K2 and Salomon. This means I may end up with the public enemy. Does anyone know if the 2007 mt baker compares to the 2007 PE in regards to firmness?

cheeeeeers
travis
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