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Wider, Stiffer, and more Sidecut = Improvement?

post #1 of 23
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Is it my imagination, or is there a pattern in the industry where almost all manufacturers come out with their new top models and then “improve” them after a year or two by making them a little wider, giving them a little more sidecut, and making them a little stiffer? Then they introduce another model and do the same thing. It seems that they almost never "improve" a ski by making it narrower or softer.
post #2 of 23
I was thinking this year that the top freeride skis seem to be backing off sidecut in the extra stiff and wide skis.
post #3 of 23
Or how about NO sidecut like the pontoon!
post #4 of 23
I thought those were negative sidecut.
post #5 of 23
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I thought those were negative sidecut.
No its a tapered ski, from like 160 at the tip to 130 underfoot to 120 at the tail, numbers might not be exact, but you get the idea.
post #6 of 23
I know there's some negative sidecut skis out there.

Ah Capital G- Funkenstein.

Length tip waist tail 180cm 155mm 162mm 132mm
post #7 of 23
Armada ARG, DP Lotus 138, spatula obviously, there are others too I'm sure.

But w/e, I think all the wide 12m skis out there already have too much sidecut. For something meant to be used off-piste, I don't think you need to go lower than 15. You can still make SL turns on groomers on a 15-17m ski by bending the ski.
post #8 of 23
I've said it before and I will say it again...year after year...gear just keeps getting better!
post #9 of 23
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I've said it before and I will say it again...year after year...gear just keeps getting better!
Sounds like a convenient rationalization to keep buying more new gear!
post #10 of 23
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Sounds like a convenient rationalization to keep buying more new gear!
It very well may be, but I fully subscribe to it
post #11 of 23
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Sounds like a convenient rationalization to keep buying more new gear!
Really, I don't want to...it just happens!
post #12 of 23
I guess the question begs asking how fat is too fat it's like the housing bubble skis just keep getting bigger and bigger when will it be too much? I mean who is really skiing on Pontoons, or the Fatyupus (SP?) out there?
post #13 of 23
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I guess the question begs asking how fat is too fat it's like the housing bubble skis just keep getting bigger and bigger when will it be too much? I mean who is really skiing on Pontoons, or the Fatyupus (SP?) out there?
Bahahahahahhaha.


Hahahhahahahhahahah.


Are you serious? The Spatulas are universally regarded as one of the best pure powder skis ever produced. They still fetch $500 when new in the wrapper. You've never seen one? That's because there were around 1000-3000 pairs produced (depending on who you talk to), and they only come out of the garage on epic days. The Fat-ypus has even fewer pairs in circulation- but trust me, they're selling.

Most ski manufacturers have toned down the sidecut since shaped skis really became popular. You only need a 12m turning radius on a groomer ski, because in soft snow, the edges aren't doing the turning- the force of the snow against the tip is. Hence, you don't need much sidecut- only enough to make the ski manangeable on the way back to the chairlift.
post #14 of 23
The fatypus got crappy reviews by the maggots, but you will see a lot of spats in the tgr trip reports, as well as many other very fat skis.

Edit: What takecontrol said.
post #15 of 23
I was just curious if skis are going to keep going large for example are we going to see 2 snowboards (obviously an overstatement) under people's feet in five year? Honestly I don't think I would ever need anything fatter than my 'beth's on a truly epic day...
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post #17 of 23
Hahaha nice! I guess if we all enjoy the pow it doesn't matter how fat your skis are!!
post #18 of 23
When comes to going down a hill in powder I maintain that you would be even on a garbage can lid.
post #19 of 23
Just get some of that wax Clark Griswold uses in Christmas Vacation!
post #20 of 23
Skiinclouds: I mean who is really skiing on Pontoons, or the Fatyupus (SP?) out there?

If you look at ALL the skiers out there, you can comfortably say that almost NOBODY skis these fatties. They are useless in everything but deep powder and how many people get to ski such powder on a daily basis. Very few indeed.

I think the growing width and sidecut is a good thing, but going further won't turn anyone into a better skier. In fact, there are already too many skiers on midfats and fats sliding their way down groomed slopes with absolutely no advantages at all. I think it is the sheeple effect at work.
post #21 of 23
Wider will continue to be an improvement until nobody has any skis left that are less than 100 mm in the waist. Then there will be a ski revolution, and the compainies will discover new improved thiner skis. The trend to stiffer skis will shortly cease as more people leave the groomed, but will resurge again later. In about 20 years my old SGs will be back in style.
post #22 of 23
Well I won't mention any names but awhile back I skied on some real wide skis. Felt like I was on water skis. They would carve and I'm sure in deep snow they would be alot of fun. BUT.....I usually don't get to ski in Snow over my waist.
post #23 of 23
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I was just curious if skis are going to keep going large for example are we going to see 2 snowboards (obviously an overstatement) under people's feet in five year? Honestly I don't think I would ever need anything fatter than my 'beth's on a truly epic day...
Saying it differently doesn't make the Elizabeth any less lame of a ski.
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