Originally Posted by Sidecut
This thread is great. It's amazing not only how intolerant people are but also how ignorant they are. Thank goodness for soemone like Bobpeters.
I don't realy care what this guy is wearing, it's more disturbing what he is demonstrating. On page 138, Mike Rogan is demonstarting technique for Groomed Snow. In the first frame which must be just after "flat" you can clearly see that he is only tipping the outsdie ski on edge, the inside remains flat. This is a 1,2 move, hardly modern skiing.
The article is also intersting because the wide track he is using looks so forced and in fact goes away depending on the situation and terrain. On the groomed he is very wide and yet in "Deep Bumps" his legs are locked. "Steep and Nasty" you can also see his stance is much narrower especially in frame 1 as it also is in "Steep and Deep". In modern skiing there is no need to have a variance in your stance like this.
In their regular instructional section on page 192-193 they have an article entitled "Transition To Perfection" where they initiate with up-unweighting: "as you rise up and forward.." "Pivot Flat skis"...."guide your skis, steering them..." In this section there is also another picture of Rogan just tipping the outside ski. If this is the pinnacle of US ski teaching and technique then that is frightening
I pulled just a few of the ridiculous stuff from this thread. All of you that deride the gapers or the rich or the "Vail/Bogner crowd" do you have any idea how skiing started in this country? The fact is that those people are closer to the tradition of skiing in this country and even in Europe then you are. Skiing here was started as recreation and that was something that only the rich could participate in. Barons such as Averill Harriman built resorts in The White Mountains or Sun Valley as destinations for their railroads. They were built for and meant for the rich and famous.
I also suggest that before you continue to use the Bogner name in a derisive manner that you actualy find out who Jr. and Sr. were. They were world class Nordic and Alpine skiers and Olympians. Using Bogner as an expression of something that is antithecal to your warped idea of skiing just makes you look stupid.
Finally if you need to ski on a ski the size of the Gotama or Mantra to ski powder you need to stop reading Ski's instruction column and take soem lessons.
Skiing began in this country by immigrants form the Nordic countries . http://www.infoplease.com/ipsa/A0194002.html
Before WWII skiing had a large following in New England and the Midwest among regular folks.
Yes, Harriman built Sun Valley for the reason you stated. As you say, the sport developed an appeal among those with a lot of discretionary travel income. However, that does not reflect the sport's beginnings in this country.
The first, commercial ski resorts were, in fact, very affordable. http://library.thinkquest.org/15967/
. I have a relative who was the daughter of Swedish immigrants. She was working as a secretary during the Depression. On the weekends, her Scandinavian club would travel by train from Boston to resorts in Vermont and New Hampshire to Downhill ski. When she married her husband, a WWII vet, they went off to ski in the Pocono Mountain's on their Honeymoon, a popular place for Honeymooning couples at the time. Most early skiers were, in fact, just regular folks.
After WW II, skiing acquired an even wider following, in part because of the 10th Mountain Vets, most of whom also were just regular folks and, in part, because of the availability of so many Army surplus skis, and in part because new roads and highways made traveling to ski resorts that much easier and the Great Depression had ended. Plus, it was a lot of fun.
The Bogner family are indeed a ski-wear moguls of note in Europe, especially. However, the brand today is considered in the USA, fairly or otherwise, synonymous with fashion over function and is seen most often in the Lodge not on the slopes.
I don't begrudge Vail to those who can afford it or Bogner to those who want to buy the brand. However, I do disagree that skiing owes its origins to Mr. Harriman, despite his contributions, or that it began as recreation for the elite in this country.