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Alchohol, Pot and other legal and non-legal drugs alter reality, to a lesser or greater extent. There is no argument you can make, that could ever lead me to believe, that using/abusing these are safe being done anywhere other than while sitting down at home. This includes the use/miss use of prescription and non-prescription meds.

Kevin
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 Originally Posted by freeskier75 Not to mention Ek=1/2M*V^2 so increases in speed result in exponentially highier energy. So yes assuming a 30mph collision, skier = certain serious injury or death, car = probably walk away.
Skier:
90kg * (13.4m/s ^2) = 16,160 joules

Car:
1814kg * (13.4m/s ^2) = 325,721 joules

Double the kinetic energies for head-on collisions of either type.

I disagree that you probably walk away from a 30MPH car crash.

-s
Ghost has got me thinking on this stuff and I think he is on to something with some market potential here.

Poles .... they are a problem here. They have such potential, however, current materials would bend (alu), or shatter (carbon composite). I'll be working on a "bokken" like pole, solid composite, but a bit on the heavy side and a little more flat than the round pole you are used to.

The ideal "form" would be a combination of aikido and kendo ..... kind of a "Skijutsu" ... a defensive form of ski survival.

With sincerest apologies to Sensei, Morihei Ueshiba for corrupting his "Art of Peace" ..

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 Originally Posted by slip Skier: 90kg * (13.4m/s ^2) = 16,160 joules Car: 1814kg * (13.4m/s ^2) = 325,721 joules Double the kinetic energies for head-on collisions of either type. I disagree that you probably walk away from a 30MPH car crash. -s
Insurance institute for highway safety has some pretty smart mofo's working on that, and they say 40 mph, walk away. I'm talking about 40mph against a stationary object. Its near impossible to have a "head on" collision on the slopes. Also, the skier doesn't have 3500 lbs of metal, crumple zones, airbags and seatbelts. I'll take 30mph on the road anyday.

www.iihs.org check it out before you buy your next car.
In ANY case, the point isn't to trivialize a car accident, but to show that drinking while skiing is also extremely dangerous/stupid.
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 Originally Posted by bud heishman alcohol has a stigmatism attached to it
Better see your optometrist then...:

Maybe a "stigma"?
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 Originally Posted by OldSchool This is so stupid as to be offensive. You've never been in a car accident, obviously. Please shut up. :/QUOTE] No, I will not shut up. Actually, I have been in sevaral car accidents over the years, including rolling a car, and hitting one on a motorcycle. I was not talking about being a pedestrian. If you are sitting in a car that is hit by someone going 30 mph as opposed to standing there and getting hit by a skier with ski tips, razor sharp edges, pointed poles, and then adding your equipment to the crash equation, I think the chance of serious injury is greater in the ski accident. Especially if it is someone of legal drinking age hitting a child. I would much rather have my child protected by a car with modern saftey equipment than run down by a skier doing 30 mph. My point was to illustrate just how serious a skier collision can be, not to minimize car accidents. Any analogy between the two is really irrelevant, the seriousnous of inebrieated skiers on crowded slopes is what should not be minimzed, even if it is preferable to a car accident.
I wasn't talking about being a pedestrian, either. Not even Donovan Bailey is going to walk away from a 30mph crash if he's a pedestrian!

But you are right, the point is - inebriated skiers, crowded slopes or not, are a danger. I agree 100%.
Oh - I might have posted this elsewhere on the forum last year, but if you want to test just how "competent" you are while drunk, try this:

Get a driving computer game. Switch on "full damage", so that bumping into things causes real-world damage to your car. Play it enough so that you're comfortable. Then try to set some speed records on your favourite course.

Try again later as you're drinking, and keep track of the results.

Sounds simple, and no one gets hurt, but it often brings reality home to people who believe they still function well while drinking and drunk.

Throw in a home breathalyzer, and make a chart to keep for New Year's Eve.

Fun for the whole family!
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 Originally Posted by freeskier75 2) Smoking gives the ILLUSION of being more focused simply because your overall mental capacity has gone down.
With hard data like this, I am 100% convinced of the error of my ways. :
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 Originally Posted by AnitSuperEgo Alchohol, Pot and other legal and non-legal drugs alter reality, to a lesser or greater extent.
Um....when you say they alter reality, does that mean that reality is in flux according to what substances we use? :
VA:

Go out in the yard and put your "reality flux" theory to the test!

When you are in an unaltered state .... (rare as that may be), pick a nice hefty tree and launch a full charge on foot ..... hard as you can!

Now, do a bong and repeat!

Trees .... well ... Aristotle would argue are beings with "form and structure and substance", as are "sensitive receptors" aka (people) ... so maybee a wall or rock in keeping with the theme of universal harmony.

Anyhoo .... let us know how the research works out.

Bad Yuki ... bad, bad Yuki ... sit Yuki, sit!
From another thread ... ahem ... and I quote ...VA ..

as a member "of the Evil Kenevil Club ..... sledding hill .... 30 degrees .. and only a rock wall or garage door to slow you down"

The prosecution rests ... anything you say, can, and will ..............
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 Originally Posted by volantaddict Um....when you say they alter reality, does that mean that reality is in flux according to what substances we use? :
"Nothing is real".....The Beatles.

Yuki,
We have the advanced self-defense art of skijuitsu. At the kyu levels, its a simple sidestep and sidekick at an angle, but at shodan level it's sidestep, put energy into the supporting ski's tail, as the energy rebounds multiply it with a reverse hip twist (figure 8 energy twist instead of circular, and the other way - at godan level there are more energy flow considerations here), start the kick as a back kick and convert it into a sidekick with focus accompanying the reverse hip twist. Very importantly, the edge must cut not chop. The poles are to be aligned with the forearm bones for protection. and arm movement can accompany the kick/cut to recruit extra energy.

If the tree and the runner and the act of running into the tree still exist, reality is not fluxed enough. When two solid objects can occupy the same space without pain, you have achieved sufficient reality flux (or you need to close one eye when driving - bad Ghost BAD!)
: so much to learn .... so little time.

Just when I thought I was pretty up to speed too ....
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 Originally Posted by Yuki VA: Go out in the yard and put your "reality flux" theory to the test! When you are in an unaltered state .... (rare as that may be), pick a nice hefty tree and launch a full charge on foot ..... hard as you can! Now, do a bong and repeat! Trees .... well ... Aristotle would argue are beings with "form and structure and substance", as are "sensitive receptors" aka (people) ... so maybee a wall or rock in keeping with the theme of universal harmony. Anyhoo .... let us know how the research works out. Bad Yuki ... bad, bad Yuki ... sit Yuki, sit!

You do a great imitation of a really straight high-school principal, Yuki.
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 Originally Posted by Yuki VA: Go out in the yard and put your "reality flux" theory to the test! When you are in an unaltered state .... (rare as that may be), pick a nice hefty tree and launch a full charge on foot ..... hard as you can! Now, do a bong and repeat! Trees .... well ... Aristotle would argue are beings with "form and structure and substance", as are "sensitive receptors" aka (people) ... so maybee a wall or rock in keeping with the theme of universal harmony. Anyhoo .... let us know how the research works out. Bad Yuki ... bad, bad Yuki ... sit Yuki, sit!
Um.....I never suggested that substances "alter reality" that was AntiSuperEgo. The fact that you ascribe some "theory" about reality flux to me shows that you seek opportunities to ridicule me, and invent them when they don't exist.

You are not my friend Yuki. You act like a cyberstalker actually.
VA

I am indeed sorry that you feel that way. I did twist your post, but only to bring a bit of humor in.

You and I are indeed different in many ways but that said, you are one of the people in the Epic community that I admire on all fronts.
I like BEER. I drink it because I like it. Not because it makes me a better skier, driver, or better at anything else for that matter. I just like it. The sell it at the hill. Sometimes they have a bar at the top. I will go there and have one. If you end up drunk, well then you ae not skiing anyway you are there drinking.

As long as it is legal at the ski areas and they sell it there (and even if they don't because I bring my own too) then I will drink it there.

That is all
The Prudes seem to have taken over control of this thread.

I say Smoke it if you got it and give me some too. If you don’t like it, then tough cookies. You aren’t going to know anyways. Friends like AnitSuperEgo are so sure of themselves in their convictions but he really has no idea. Why do you think doping is so big in the Tour de France? Because the dope helps them go faster man and they aren’t sittin’ around on their couch.

If you think a little weed makes me a risk on the slopes, then you had better steer clear of me and let me pass because I am coming through trailing a cloud of smoke. Cold smoke that is. There’s nothing better than pulling into the woods for a quick burn so we can rip, tear and catch big air!

The real danger is in the closed-mindedness of the anti-drug movement.
Jaws: Why do you think doping is so big in the Tour de France? Because the dope helps them go faster man ...

Let's get something straight: the doping TdF riders do, refers to blood doping and steroids. The doping you do does not enhance performance by any stretch of the imagination. It may make you feel good and give you the courage to take some risks. One can only hope that you can handle it.

What would you think of a mediocre skier who is drunk or high. Do you want to take your chances with him trying to "rip, tear and catch big air"?
Doesn't some of this fall under the mantras that Plake and Schmidt and other extreme skiers used to spout off in Greg Stump films where they said that each and every skier is responsible for themselves on the mountain?

Conversely, just like drunk driving, once you put yourself out there where you can negatively effect others, then you really need to think twice before getting hammered on the hills.

While I don't advocate skiing drunk or stoned and do not participate in such endeavors whilst on the slopes, I would hate to have police patrolling the mountain and conducting random breathalizer/blood/urine tests on recreational skiers.

That said, sometimes I am amazed at how blatant some potheads are. There's a couple of stoner spots at Sugar Bowl that are totally within view of the main lifts and folks persist in sitting out in plain site toking away as if it weren't no thang.

Again, I'm not trying to come off like a magillicutty (square), but if you're gonna get stoned on the mountain, keep it on the DL, man!
Man alive was I floored when I seen this type of topic posted @ this forum - one which is very well known for its EXTREMELY conservative view.

As with all things in life, I know that some can handle their vices, while others can barely handle the % of oxygen they took in in their last breath.

So ... I really could not care any less, so long as they are not out of control (which it sounds like many here are assuming

As for a couple of standard sized drinks - so? I get a bigger buzz just looking up @ the slope I'm about to rip!
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 Originally Posted by slip Skier: 90kg * (13.4m/s ^2) = 16,160 joules Car: 1814kg * (13.4m/s ^2) = 325,721 joules Double the kinetic energies for head-on collisions of either type. I disagree that you probably walk away from a 30MPH car crash. -s

I got t boned once, I was doing about 30 and the other car was doing about 40-45. I walked away with no bruises, no injuries of any sort. I remember my head barely touching the side window as my car spun around.
One things I like about this thread is, all the people against alcohol, assume drunk. As if someone said they like to have one drink, then they are guilty of being drunk and they are out of control.

I know some people have a glass of wine, and they are drunk, then there are others who have higher tolerances, that would need 6 glasses to catch up. And, it's not just about height, and weight of a person that determines this. I work with a guy who is 6 feet tall, about 275 pounds, and if he drinks one beer, he will pass out drunk.

Come out to somewhere that you spend most of your day on the lift, skiing 500 vertical feet, and then have a 7 to 10 minute ride up. You might end up having a drink or two with your lunch. I know the difference from when I was younger and partied all the time and got drunk, to how a few drinks are going to effect me over the day. 5 drinks in a day is not that bad when you consider your somewhere you can ski from 8 AM to 10 PM.

As for the stoners. They are another breed. Some will not go to work or school unless they are stoned. Some can handle that. A lot of people here probably do not believe that either. To bad Im not going to point some people I know out to you, but they are heads, and you will see a perfectionist building houses/home improvement who hands down is one of the top carpenters in this area. Another friend who has had straight A's through high school, and same in college, and is exceptionally smart.

Just like driving there is a point where to much is an accident waiting to happen, and people are supposed to be responsible enough to have self control. I did participate in an alcohol study at one point. Some of the results of the study showed how some people at .1 % BAC were incapable of completing most tasks, and unable to pass a sobriety test. While others had a higher percentage, and still had not shown any reduction in performance, and were still able to pass a police sobriety test. I forget what the percentage was of people who stated that they would not normally even drink half the amount that was distributed to us doing any of the activities that we had to complete. I do know it was around 85 to 90% of the entire group of 100 people.

One thing I can tell you about me. Sking the little mountains here. When I am skiing with my friends who are learning, I'll probably have a couple drinks myself. If I am out to just have a take it easy day of skiing, I'll have a couple drinks as well. However, if I am out trying to push myself, or challenge myself, or I am going out to do what I perceive as ripping up the mountain for my skill level, I am not drinking at all. Like I have said in other threads moguls I need help in. But, I do find for me having a drink in me loosens my legs up for me to let them flex somewhat how they should. Hopefully this years lessons will take care of that. Don't worry bumpers I am not out to become an inebriated bump guy, as I do not seek them. But, when I run into them, I want to be able to ski them.

I do believe if someone has drank passed their point where it goes from just a drink with lunch, or little relaxer to becoming a drinking day at the slopes.... these people should not be out skiing or boarding. I do believe this as well with the stoners. If someone just brought you that new stuff that's supposed to put you on your a\$\$, don't test it out on the slopes.
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 Originally Posted by Jaws The Prudes seem to have taken over control of this thread. I say Smoke it if you got it and give me some too. If you don’t like it, then tough cookies. You aren’t going to know anyways. Friends like AnitSuperEgo are so sure of themselves in their convictions but he really has no idea. Why do you think doping is so big in the Tour de France? Because the dope helps them go faster man and they aren’t sittin’ around on their couch. If you think a little weed makes me a risk on the slopes, then you had better steer clear of me and let me pass because I am coming through trailing a cloud of smoke. Cold smoke that is. There’s nothing better than pulling into the woods for a quick burn so we can rip, tear and catch big air! The real danger is in the closed-mindedness of the anti-drug movement.
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 Originally Posted by TomB Jaws: Why do you think doping is so big in the Tour de France? Because the dope helps them go faster man ... Let's get something straight: the doping TdF riders do, refers to blood doping and steroids. The doping you do does not enhance performance by any stretch of the imagination. It may make you feel good and give you the courage to take some risks. One can only hope that you can handle it. What would you think of a mediocre skier who is drunk or high. Do you want to take your chances with him trying to "rip, tear and catch big air"?
The only people who think that smoking pot never has any positive influence on abilities are those who refuse to accept the witness of those who DO experience it. This is called denial, and is likely based in some fear of expansive consciousness, by branding it as bad or useless they demonize the use of substances in an attempt to exhalt their self perception by seeking to impose a uniform mediocrity.

TomB provide a perfect study in denial when he says that the pot smoking Jaws mentions "does not enhance performance by any stretch of the imagination.", this is a flat denial of what Jaws, myself, and others have said, so obviously what we spoke is at very least within the stretch of our imaginations making TomB's statement patently false. Further, if our beloved moderator shh can be believed, the imagination is an adequate mode of improving one's skiing (the theater of the mind I believe he called this means of improving one's skiing). Fortunately, those of us who know better will continue being guided by our experiences rather than the mantra of lies repeated by the abolitionists. Have a nice day.
What is the question?
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 Originally Posted by Jaws The Prudes seem to have taken over control of this thread. I say Smoke it if you got it and give me some too. If you don’t like it, then tough cookies. You aren’t going to know anyways. Friends like AnitSuperEgo are so sure of themselves in their convictions but he really has no idea. Why do you think doping is so big in the Tour de France? Because the dope helps them go faster man and they aren’t sittin’ around on their couch. If you think a little weed makes me a risk on the slopes, then you had better steer clear of me and let me pass because I am coming through trailing a cloud of smoke. Cold smoke that is. There’s nothing better than pulling into the woods for a quick burn so we can rip, tear and catch big air! The real danger is in the closed-mindedness of the anti-drug movement.
First: I have a very good idea as to the effects of alchohol and pot.

Second: My mind is much more open than your seems to be concerning the pros and cons of drug use.

Third: the drugs favored in endurance events like the TdF, raise the point(heart Rate), where the body goes from aerobic to anaerobic, and the effects are wide and variable as to how effective they are. They do not make you faster, just allow you to maintain extreme power output longer

The self justification for stupid behavior still sometimes amazes even me. I feel nothing but pity for those of you that cannot enjoy this or any other outdoor activity unadulterated. As far as doing illegal drugs, keep it at home or at the end of the day.

As to the OP: I do not thing it is ok to drink, snort, toke, shoot, pop on the trails. What you do apres ski is your business, if it affects the saftey of me or my son, then it is also my business. Fortunately most of you would be embarassed to seen on my home mountain.

Kevin
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 Originally Posted by volantaddict The only people who think that smoking pot never has any positive influence on abilities are those who refuse to accept the witness of those who DO experience it. This is called denial, and is likely based in some fear of expansive consciousness, by branding it as bad or useless they demonize the use of substances in an attempt to exhalt their self perception by seeking to impose a uniform mediocrity. TomB provide a perfect study in denial when he says that the pot smoking Jaws mentions "does not enhance performance by any stretch of the imagination.", this is a flat denial of what Jaws, myself, and others have said, so obviously what we spoke is at very least within the stretch of our imaginations making TomB's statement patently false. Further, if our beloved moderator shh can be believed, the imagination is an adequate mode of improving one's skiing (the theater of the mind I believe he called this means of improving one's skiing). Fortunately, those of us who know better will continue being guided by our experiences rather than the mantra of lies repeated by the abolitionists. Have a nice day.
I love how everyone that is against smoking and drinking on the slopes is automatically an abolitionist... Not to mention all of the misinformation in this thread... I hope Jaws realizes that the "doping" that goes on in the tour de france is not the same dope we all smoked in college, those athletes wouldn't stand a chance in the TdR if they smoked. There is a BIG difference between injecting Epogen and smoking a blunt...

You are so SURE that smoking increases ones performance, that anyone who disagrees must have either never smoked, or be in denial. How about you post ONE published article by ANY legitimate scientific organization that shows smoking weed increases a persons physical or cognative performance. I can tell you my "research" shows exactly the opposite. I can however point to REAMS of studies that show alcohol and smoking negatively influence both, not to mention alcohol dehydrates you which will also decrease athletic performance.

But I am no abolitionist, to the contrary, I believe mj should be legalized. It has no place on the slopes or on the road though.
volantaddict, we gotta make turns sometime.

mammoth in may is quite nice.

at this most recent epicgathering, the day at snowbasin, i happened to share a gondola ride up with a couple young men, locals actually, who shared with us some of their provisions. as i recall, one of our party also happened to have some of the same provisions, which were shared, back and forth, hand to hand, as the gondola climbed the mountain into the white.

a gondola ride rarely gets in the way of good skiing.

to gondolas.
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