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post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 
Is the terrain in Heavenly's Mott and Killebrew Canyons totally beyond the reach of an accomplished intermediate skier? I enjoyed several black runs/trees (Ellie's and North Bowl/woods; and some of the trees off the Dipper lift) -- but didn't venture into Milky Way Bowl. Are any runs in Mott/Killebrew noticably "less difficult"? By the way, I think Heavenly's runs are rated easier than other resorts I've skied (Squaw, Whistler, Steamboat, Canyons and Park City), meaning some of the black runs at Heavenly would be rated blue, and blues would be green... Anyway, I'm considering going back and wonder how much I missed by not trying Mott and Killebrew. thanks.
post #2 of 25
Unlike the rest of Heavenly, Mott & Killebrew are the real deal.

Milky Way Bowl is not very difficult by comparison. Try that out.

However, if you are skiing the North Bowl trees, you probably could make it down. I think the easiest path is immediately under the lift of Mott Canyon - since it is open and a relatively consistent gradient. The other areas are tight chutes.

Killebrew has a similar open line - but the traverse out from the canyon is significant. Maybe a good 10 min+. Therefore, I would not recomment this canyon.
post #3 of 25
Mott's & Killebrew have some sustained steep pitches. Although the area is technically inbounds, controlled & patrolled, the conditions change according to aspect, snow depth & texture. Be wary if the snow is firm, one could take a long slide, with some obstacles along the way.

JF
post #4 of 25
This thread motivated me to find my Mott Canyon pictures.
They are almost ready to post, but here's a teaser.

The first photo is actually one of the wider tree slots.
I think the second shows an honest 45 degrees.
And, as the third photo shows, Telski was right that it is easier under the lift. The slots get progressively steeper as you go to skiers right.
I think the last photo also illustrates that there are other skiers trying to find out what Mott is all about skiing under the lift.
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post #5 of 25
Motts / Killebrew is the next step at Heavenly based on what the OP has skied. It is all survivable. Whether you enjoy it, kind of depends on how conditions and your abilities come together. By all means give it a try starting skiers left near the chair and working down a gate or two until you reach your limit.
post #6 of 25

Be safe

Be careful in Killibrew..there are some really steep tight places in there..and you will need to find your way out at the bottom.

have someone guide you into Killibrew the first time..Mott is more straight forward..just don't fall and/or sit back on the steeps..it can be icy in the shady spots. Both have true expert terrain. I have seen people (intermediates) get in over their heads both places.
post #7 of 25
I've very interested in this thread. We (my SO is a boarder) will be at Heavenly the first week of February. Thanks for all the info, so far. I wonder if we could handle Mott. We ski/ride mainly in the east (usually Sunday River) on groomed, but we love to get into powder when it's there and have ventured into the trees a few times, but not really steep ones. We were able to spend some time in some powder last year when we got 11 days in Colorado. Here's an idea of what we can do now. Anyone who can translate this into what our ability to handle Mott would be, we'd really appreciate it!

Steep:
Sunday River: White Heat (non-bumps side), Quantum Leap, Right Stuff, Bim's Whim, Obsession, T2, Downdraft, Eureka, that sort of thing
Steamboat: Storm Peak South, Tornado, Concentration, Valley View
The Canyons: Sidewinder (I know it's a blue-blue)
PCMR: Blackjack? (Can't find my trail map)
Powder:
Beaver Creek: Rose Bowl
The Canyons: Snow Meadow
Big Mtn: Ptarmigan Bowl
Trees:
Sunday River: Blind Ambition, Last Tango (was a bit too much for me that day)
Jay Peak: Beaver Pond and Beyond Beaver Pond Glades, Buck Woods, Timbuktu (too skied-out and didn't enjoy it much), Stateside Glade
Steamboat: Morningside Park, Flying Z Gulch (kinda tricky)

We've been to Vail, Breck, A-Basin, Keystone, Killington, Sugarloaf, Lake Louise, Sunshine Village, Deer Valley (well, I went with my parents that day and my SO took her board to Snowbird - which was socked in so she took the Mid-Gap lift most of the day. Although she did ride the tram once and made it down in the fog) . I can't think of much to comment on from those mountains that would give anyone an indication of our abilities. Thanks!
post #8 of 25
Kim - Mott would be nice for both of you to explore, especially on the easier shots skiers left as described above. Killebrew would not be fun to get out of on a snowboard.
post #9 of 25
Thanks bklyntrayc!
post #10 of 25
Intermediate skiers can handle Mott--just don't follow the ridge that separates the two canyons (accessed via Gate 1). The steeper chutes into Mott drop down from this ridge. Among the easier lines, decide whether you're more intimidated by bumps or trees. If you're more comfortable in the bumps, stay in the open areas under the Mott lift. If you're more comfortable in less heavily tracked powder in the trees, I'd take Gate 2 and stay in the ravine line (probably the least steep way down).

If you're looking to steal a glance at Killebrew, the lines into the side of the bowl from Mott Gate 1 (go through Gate 1 and then head right off the ridge instead of heading left into Mott) aren't too scary, you just won't get too much vertical before you have to traverse out and around back to the lift.
post #11 of 25
yes, take gate 3 or 4 under the lift. gate 1 and 2 can lead you to snakeeyes and widow maker - these are about as gnarly as anything you can find at jackson hole (barring corbets and expert chutes).
post #12 of 25
I think conditions are a huge factor with that type of terrain. I have no problem with most expert areas but when I was in Heavenly a couple years ago, Killebrew/Mott was a big sheet of ice (this was early April). With those types of conditions it really adds a whole new level of difficulty and the fun factor seem to fade away with every scraping sound of your skis... Like any expert area you really need to assess the conditions and then consider the run.
post #13 of 25
Thread Starter 
Outstanding observations and suggestions, every one. I'll assess conditions, maybe have a guide, pucker up and GO! Thanks to all.
post #14 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by TouchO'Gray View Post
Is the terrain in Heavenly's Mott and Killebrew Canyons totally beyond the reach of an accomplished intermediate skier? I enjoyed several black runs/trees (Ellie's and North Bowl/woods; and some of the trees off the Dipper lift) -- but didn't venture into Milky Way Bowl. Are any runs in Mott/Killebrew noticably "less difficult"? By the way, I think Heavenly's runs are rated easier than other resorts I've skied (Squaw, Whistler, Steamboat, Canyons and Park City), meaning some of the black runs at Heavenly would be rated blue, and blues would be green... Anyway, I'm considering going back and wonder how much I missed by not trying Mott and Killebrew. thanks.
steeper than the others you mentioned, by alot; has trees and some rocks. I wouldn't rate them intermediate. They aren't miles long, however.
post #15 of 25
So how about Motts compared to the Face at Heavenly?Interesting observations above, why I like this board.
post #16 of 25
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Originally Posted by ridetahoe View Post
So how about Motts compared to the Face at Heavenly?Interesting observations above, why I like this board.

My impressions - overall, the Face is not as steep as Mott, but if you wander around you can find some isolated pitches that are as steep or steeper. It is also not orgainized into obvious slots the way Mott is, so there is more of an exploration feel to it. Since the easy way down road crosses several times, it is easy to make sure you don't wind up with a walk at the bottom.
post #17 of 25
Mott and Killebrew canyon are always full of useless morons with intermediate skills, grooming the bumps and powder with their crappy sideslipping. You'll fit right in.


Or, you could hire an instructor to guide you to places on the mountain that are more appropriate to your ability level.
post #18 of 25
... well it's steep, especially as someone suggested if you go to the right. There are trees and usually a ton of snow when I've been there. An older guy I ski with had a heart attack a few years back in there (he's recovered and still skis).

I like Milky Way bowl but as someone suggested it's easy by comparison with a nice runout. If (or when) you mess up in Mott's you will not have that luxury.

So it's steep.
post #19 of 25

Comparison with the Face

I'd say that the Face tends to be more challenging and intimidating than the easier lines in Mott. The conditions are more variable (lower elevation makes for ice, crud, bare spots), the run is much longer (although you can escape to the groomed portion for the bottom third or so), the bumps tend to get gnarlier, and you're more likely to tear up your skis on some rocks/roots/bare spots (depending on the cover). I've taken intermediate skiers on both, and the general impression was that Mott was a challenging thrill while the Face was more of a scary chore. This is often exacerbated by the fact that many people ski the Face as their last run of the day on the way back to the California parking lot, when they are already worn out...
post #20 of 25
Thread Starter 
[quote=Geoff';600082]Mott and Killebrew canyon are always full of useless morons with intermediate skills, grooming the bumps and powder with their crappy sideslipping. You'll fit right in.
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Hey, thanks for the warm welcome, Geoff. Maybe you could use more bran in your diet. And get a job, too.
post #21 of 25

I skiid Heavenly yesterday (02/13/11). They havent had any snow in over 4 weeks (although the forecast calls for a lot of snow this week), Motts and Killebrew were both closed until it warmed up in the afternoon. Even then, they only opened gates 5 and 6 at Motts (the easier way down). Except for navigating through some bare spots it was like a steep mogul run.Gate 6....

Gate 6

 

Gate 5 looking downhill....

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post #22 of 25

This is an old thread but an interesting read. Nice pics Vermonster and mdf, if anyone cares, Mott's and Gunbarrel are two completely different types of runs. Gunbarrel is a consistent 25-35 degree nonstop 2k vertical massive mogul filled run. Really tests your endurance, but doesn't have any really steep or different parts. Motts is a short 600-800 vertical foot canyon, filled with steep tree chutes, rocks, and cliffs in narrow settings. Endurance is not needed due to its shortness, but it's really steep (as evidenced by these pictures) and a fall leads a long slide in conditions that do not include powder (I've seen it happen to my sister, she slid 200 vertical in there before coming to a stop off the gate 6 terrain. thank god she did not hit anything). fyi, I wouldn't consider Gunbarrel a true double black since it's never "scary" in there and only tiring (ex. Al's Run @ Taos is a single black and is narrower, longer, and steeper).

post #23 of 25

When I mentioned the face, I meant the trees off to skiers left of Gunbarrel.  As I said, mostly it is less steep but there are some bits that are quite steep (but those are avoidable, if you like).

I would think that with ice most of  Heavenly would be quite a lot more challenging than usual. (Its been a crazy, backwards weather year -- I think the East picked up the wrong weather at the luggage carousel.  Sorry West, I guess we will have to return it.)

post #24 of 25

Heavenly has been super icy last couple days.


Edited by agent.5 - 2/15/11 at 4:00pm
post #25 of 25

I find Heavenly (my last day there was free) rather boring.

After skiing Motts & Killebrews  I'm usually ready to leave.

 

Gunbarrel OTOH is usually hideously iced up moguls not worth skiing.

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