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Any boot ideas for huge calves, high instep, wide foot?

post #1 of 24
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I had written this out to post to Jeff's thread but see it is closed for now. If anyone has some boot ideas I would greatly appreciate them!

Background:

- 46 year old male, 5' 6", 190 pound average intermediate recreational skier. I ski blue and black Eastern N. America groomed trails. Started skiing again with the family after many non-skiing years. We were out about 24 times last season, 5 the year before.

- Ski boot size measured at mondo 26, width EEE and EEE 1/2 wide feet, high instep, and my calves are 18 inches round at 10 inches from the ground.

Finding a pain-free boot has been very challenging. The biggest problem is the wide calf and high instep. Forefoot width is a challenge but heat widening tends to make that work out relatively well if the boot is pretty wide to start with.

A local shop last season set me up with a Technica entryX 3 boots which they said best fit my foot. That didn’t work out well, despite a couple of runs at adjusting them. The top buckle was moved to provide maximum calf room but it is still very tight and my heel lifts very easily inside the boot. The shop tried adding heel lifts, but that just squeezes the instep more and increases the pain. There is a lot of pressure on the intsep and I get terrible pain in the bottoms of my feet and have to take frequent breaks to relieve the pressure. I experienced a lot of pain last year and it got worse as the season went on.

This fall at a ski show I tried some Atomic B series boots (different shop!) and the sales person had their head tech person check the fit. The tech said those boots wouldn’t work for my situation as there was too much pressure on the instep before tightening the bottom buckles. The calves were squeezed tight and the heel wasn’t seating well. (similar to current boots)

Jeff had recommended the Nordica Beast to someone with 26.5 EEE feet without a calf size problem. I tried a pair, but even with the top buckle at maximum adjustment they barely could be forced closed around my calf.

Questions:

1) Any ideas for a stock boot that a good tech could work with to make work? Anything by Dalbello?

2) Jeff discussed cutting down the calf on the boot. Any ideas for boots that can be done with?

I’m not looking to burn up the slopes or slash through steep glades, I just want to enjoy a relatively pain free day of skiing with the kids.

Thanks very much in advance.
post #2 of 24
any boot can be cut down just need a good cutting tool. Also I think you will need to change your search from a good boot, to a good boot fitter I think.

most stores that work on boots sell them too, you will know what has a chance ot fit, and what fitter you like/trust.
post #3 of 24
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Originally Posted by mntlion View Post
any boot can be cut down just need a good cutting tool. Also I think you will need to change your search from a good boot, to a good boot fitter I think.

most stores that work on boots sell them too, you will know what has a chance ot fit, and what fitter you like/trust.

I will need both for sure. I believe I've found a good fitter. I'll be following up with the head tech from the shop that actually said a pair of boots didn't fit, which meant no sale for them that day.

Hoping that with all the experience on this board, someone has ideas for boots with big calf and high instep fit.
post #4 of 24
Where are located? Like Lion said; find a bootfitter that is able to select and modify an existing wide fitting boot.

Cheers,

Michael
post #5 of 24
some of the salomon waves/Xmax are big. as you get lower end (softer) you get bigger volume. Might be worth a look at a softer/wider boot and make it stiffer?
post #6 of 24
Tecnica has a new boot this season that might work for you. It is the highest volume shell out there. I thought it felt like a pair of slippers it is so roomy. The boot is called the MODO. It is designed for rec skier's and unlike a lot of "wide" boots they actually made the shell huge not just the liner. Not the highest performing boot in the world but check it out
post #7 of 24
my calves are 16.5 and i ski kryptons...not eee but may want atleast try um and definitly get to a good boot fitter...where are ya at
post #8 of 24
Try the nordica Beast series. They are especially good for wide calves.
post #9 of 24

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1) I think most here would like to know what kind of shell-fit you got...ie..how many fingers?
2) First you need to have a footbed made....if not, your foot will be rolling around inside the boot.
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Many great people here....but as one out of the same mold....let's just say I'm skeptical of your choice of shell-sizing....*NEED to hear "how many fingers!!!"

$.01
Steve

post #10 of 24
I amin an older Nordica Beast, and my calves are among the widest that Green Mountain bootfitters have seen. I also have a very high instep, although my foot width is normal. Since I am also relatively stiff, and have limited dorsiflexion, I have heel lifts inside my boots, which open up the ankle, and raise the calves, making the calf fit easier, and toe lifts on the outside of the boot to return the stance to upright. the Nordicas have a spoiler on the back of their liner, which has been remved on my boots, giving a widder calf fit. A warning aboout dalbellos and some other boots which canbe opened wide at the top. If you merely make the top of the boot wider, and keep the back of the boot in the same place, your lower leg bones will be at a steeper forward lean angle than would be the case for the skier around whom the boot was engineered. When you try to ski with too much forward lean angle, your ankle will already be flexed and you will not be able to flex it more, so yor flexion will come from knees and hips. Further, your quads will have to support you and you will get very tired.
post #11 of 24
I forgot to mention that the Nordica Beasts are also for wide feet. The only issue you may have is fit at the ankle. See how they work.
post #12 of 24
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Originally Posted by HaveSkisWillClimb View Post
1) I think most here would like to know what kind of shell-fit you got...ie..how many fingers?

Is that from behind my heel to the back of my boot without a liner?

Thanks for the tips and input everyone. I didn't imagine such a big response! The tips on modifying the Beast are good, and may warrant looking at them again.

I am in Ottawa, Ontario and the closest fitter in the recommended thread is about 1.5 hours away in Montreal. I liked the approach of the shop and fitter from the ski show and will give a try first. I can respect someone that says flat out a boot won't work and would rather give up a potential sale right there than push it. There is enough skiing around here that I would hope there is a really good fitter or two locally.
post #13 of 24
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Originally Posted by FOG View Post
If you merely make the top of the boot wider, and keep the back of the boot in the same place, your lower leg bones will be at a steeper forward lean angle than would be the case for the skier around whom the boot was engineered. When you try to ski with too much forward lean angle, your ankle will already be flexed and you will not be able to flex it more, so yor flexion will come from knees and hips. Further, your quads will have to support you and you will get very tired.
Sounds a lot like what I experienced last season!
post #14 of 24

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Spensar,
Yep, good boot guys make life a lot easier...
post #15 of 24
This might sound weird, but if you're not looking for race performance, it may work....

Maybe try some of the upper level women's boots? They tend to have a lower and wider cuff area. The Technica (Flame?) and the Nordica Olympia Beast come to mind, as well as Atomic.
post #16 of 24
Again were are u located ...we can direct you to a boot fitter..usually take abount 1 hour to get done
post #17 of 24
This may seem dumb but women have traditionally lower calf muscles, making their boots wider in that area, ask about that while your shopping.
post #18 of 24
Tecnica boots with "HVL" in the name are awesome at fitting feet that are just plain enormous in every respect. Nordica GTS series would be another option, although they don't have as generous an instep as the Tecnicas do. The Salomon X-Wave series is good for big calves, but the instep and width would be a problem for you.


And about the womens' boots- the problem is that most shops don't carry womens' boots any larger than size 26.
post #19 of 24
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Originally Posted by skidbump View Post
Again were are u located ...we can direct you to a boot fitter..usually take abount 1 hour to get done
Actually put that in post 12- lotsa traffic here! I'm in Ottawa, Ontario and the closest fitter in the recommended thread is about 1.5 hours away in Montreal.
post #20 of 24
doing any ski trips this year?

most /all ski towns have good boot fitters..
post #21 of 24
i drive to boot fitter..1.25 up at hunter...alot "i mean alot"...should at least scope it out..plus usually a guarantee...
post #22 of 24
Try the Tecnica Vento 10 HVL or the Vento 6 HVL. They should have the widest fit around the forefoot and fits a high instep
post #23 of 24
I found the Tecnica to work for me, they make a large volume boot one step down from their racing boot (Diablo), I have the Revel FX, they have a new model this year that is made for a larger foot. I have 10 1/2 EEEE, really big calves, High instep and narrow heel.

But the most important part was a good Boot Tech. A good fit for your foot, good advise as to adjustment for your calf, good foot beds for your high instep, and a pro at streaching as if you have a really wide foot like mine it will take quite a bit.

Also find a good tech where you ski most, as you will probally need to go back for adjustments after your first day of skiing. Plan on 1 to 2 days of going back and forth from the slope to your boot tech to get it right. If you ski on it all day you will develop hot spots and will not be able to tell if any adjustments are correct.

Avoid injected linings, you already take up a large volume do not buy a lining where you add more. They do make some high end linings that have been recommended but I never spent the money for them, they were almost as much as the boots.

Remember, If it starts to hurt, get it fixed now, do now wait or try to ride it out, once your foot gets sore you cannot tell if any adjustments are working.

I ski black and some double black diamond runs and the Tecnica work well for me.
post #24 of 24
Skidbump,

Who is your bootfitter at Hunter?
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