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post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
I think it would be helpful if there was some info regarding appropriate boots for a given foot width.

What boots would be appropriate for feet of each width? Of course, this is very self serving, I'm looking for a fairly stiff boot to fit a 'D' width foot (115 mm wide @ mondo size 29.5 / 30.0 ) -- stiffer than a Lange Comp 100, and more upright if possible.

Most of the competition lasts are much much narrower, in the 94-98mm range, and somehow "wide" is considered to be 102mm -- but that never mentions the size of boot at which that width was measured. I cannot imagine that a boot at size 30 will have the same width last as a size 25. That does not make sense.

Can someone shed some light on this situtation? eg. Like maybe Lange comp = ? width, Nordica Beast= ?, Technica ALU = ? , atomic M110 etc.

A list like this could help a lot of people save a lot of time and money finding the right boot.

Thanks!
post #2 of 17
most width measurements are based on a 25 or 7 shell I think.

wide: some atomics, some salomons. but any boot can be made a bunch wider.
post #3 of 17
Thread Starter 
I'm thinking that the last is based on the average foot size '9'.

If that is so, then: (Last width => foot width)

89 mm => 'B' width
94 mm => 'C' width
99 mm => 'D' width
104 mm => 'E' width

That's from this chart:

http://www.boot.com/bsizcvt.htm#Measure
post #4 of 17
Some of the boots you've mentioned:

Lange 120 WC: 95mm
Lange 120 HP: 98mm
Nordica Beast: 101mm (Hardly a performance boot these days, though)

The Beast will accomodate pretty much all but the widest of feet; the problem is that wide feet tend to be high volume in other areas as well, especially the instep.
post #5 of 17

big e---those numbers are wrong

how could a B be 89?what would a A be? I think a 95 is as narrow as it gets. in Bergerons latest posts an 98 is a B
post #6 of 17
I know that atomic boot lasts go like this

95 mm in the race tech ti
99 mm in the race tech cs
102 mm in the m-tech series
104 mm in the b-tech series.
Oh, and the new X-series is based on the 102 mm last.

Are you looking for yourself BigE? I have an M110 on order and tried everyone of these boot on in the shop this fall. I liked the fit of the M-series better than the x-series and liked the cuff on the m-series better than the b series cuff. Both the M and B series have that nice low ramp angle and the toe box turned out at 3 degrees. I can really tell the difference when I put my foot in a boot that has too much ramp as soon as I stand up in them. Later, RicB.
post #7 of 17
Thread Starter 
Here's a calculator. Enter foot size and press tab.

http://www.geocities.com/handy_feet/shoesize.html

If you use US 12, then 98mm is a B and 94 is an A.

Does this sound more realistic?
post #8 of 17
Thread Starter 
I am looking, but maybe I'll go for another set of boot mods in the old ones. They were just made big enough last year -- it was punch city. It's a $$ thing.

The M110 looks very nice, but isn't boot sole planing tricky because of the strips on the bottom? I also understand that it has a shorter cuff than the race boot. Someone once said that a low cuff on a heavy guy is not a great idea.... something about needing too much movement to effect change.

RicB, do you know what shell size corresponds to those last widths?
post #9 of 17
I'll have to ask about the sizing versus width issue. I just don't know.

As far as the cuffs, I didn't feel much difference between the cs, the m, and the x series. The flex was slightly different among them of course, but the height seemd very similar. I have to admit that I wasn't paying much attention to the height other than how they mated to my leg and calf, and how they felt as I flexed into them. They all are higher than the B-series. I'll check that out today too. Later, RicB.
post #10 of 17
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Originally Posted by BigE View Post
I'm thinking that the last is based on the average foot size '9'.

If that is so, then: (Last width => foot width)

89 mm => 'B' width
94 mm => 'C' width
99 mm => 'D' width
104 mm => 'E' width

That's from this chart:

http://www.boot.com/bsizcvt.htm#Measure
The measurements given by manufacturers are exact for one size only - usually 8US (26 mondo). The measurements are not the same if you get a smaller size or a bigger size. It's very easy to spot the difference. Try the same model 2 sizes smaller and then 3 sizes smaller. The boot which is 3 sizes smaller will be shorter in length but also narrower in width. So if one manufacturer claims that a certain model has a 98mm last in size 26 the same model in size 25 will have a narrower last. And if you try on a 27 it will have a wider last than the measurement given by the manufacturer. It would be a mistake to think that for every size the width of the last is unchanged.

One more thing. You can clearly see from the chart that the width of a foot is linked to the foot size. For example, my size is 10 US. My foot width is 100 mm which means i have a D width forefoot.
For someone with a size 5 US, a 100 mm foot width is not a D, it's an EEE.
For someone with a size 12 US, a 100 mm foot width is B.

Hope that helps,
Jamie
post #11 of 17
Thread Starter 
If 8 is the true reference, then

A = 80 mm
B = 85
C = 90
D = 95
E = 100
EE = 105

To me it all sounds fine. But is it correct?

Jeff Bergeron said B = '98', and the only way to get that is for a size 12 US.
post #12 of 17
BigE, i respectfully disagree with the widths listed. What exactly do you want to know?

As i said in my previous post, the widths are linked to the sizes. We don't have only one number for the widths because we don't have the same size. That's why we have a chart for widths.
If you look at AAA for size 5 it is 60 mm. For size 12 AAA=83 Do you think there is somebody with a size 12 foot with 60 mm?
That's why for size 12 the narrowest width is 83.

Jeff said B=98. Fine. But for which size? that width is for size 12 just like you said. For a smaller size it would be C or wider. For my mother's size 5 foot, it would be EEE.
post #13 of 17
Thread Starter 
Jeff did not mention a size, thus my confusion. He simply posted that he considers a 98/99 as a 'B' width. He was responding to "duke walker" in the boot fitting thread. Duke did not provide a reference boot size.

The widths I got were listed for size 8 US (as per your suggestion) from this calculator:

http://www.runtheplanet.com/pages/refer/tool007.php

They look close enough to the chart.

What I wanted specifically to know was which boots are a D or E width or better. Or published last sizes at the reference standard, so I can determine what I ought to bother trying on.
post #14 of 17
Unfortunately the calculator is not a very good tool. Why? Because i entered my foot length in centimeters and i have size 11 US, not size 10 which is my actual size. IMO the chart is much better.

Now i understand what you are trying to find out. That info is usually not published. The companies simply give us their measurements for only one size. I am sure somepeople have access to those numbers but i doubt you will find the width of the Nordica Beast last in size 11.
Nordica the Beast: 101 mm forefoot width in 26. The info is directly from the catalog
Nordica Speedmachine: 100 mm forefoot width in 26. The info is directly from the catalog.
My Tecnica Icon Alu comp is size 26. I don't know which is the width of the last but i would say it is 101-103 mm.
Btw, 115mm width size 11 is EE. size 12 is E/EE.
post #15 of 17
BigE, the Cs and Ti have a slightly higher cuff than the M-series, and the reference size is either 26 or 27. Later, RicB.
post #16 of 17
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sywsyw View Post
Unfortunately the calculator is not a very good tool. Why? Because i entered my foot length in centimeters and i have size 11 US, not size 10 which is my actual size. IMO the chart is much better.

Now i understand what you are trying to find out. That info is usually not published. The companies simply give us their measurements for only one size. I am sure somepeople have access to those numbers but i doubt you will find the width of the Nordica Beast last in size 11.
Nordica the Beast: 101 mm forefoot width in 26. The info is directly from the catalog
Nordica Speedmachine: 100 mm forefoot width in 26. The info is directly from the catalog.
My Tecnica Icon Alu comp is size 26. I don't know which is the width of the last but i would say it is 101-103 mm.
Btw, 115mm width size 11 is EE. size 12 is E/EE.
Thanks. I know understand why I chose a lange -- I don't have much above the back of the heel to hold the it down. Lange has great heel retention. It was easy to lift my heel in the Nordicas and Salomons (Even Rossi B2). So, heel retention won, and the forefoot got punched out a lot.

So that't the boot shape I'm after: Flipper or 'V' shaped, narrow at the achilles, but an otherwise wide cuff for my calves. I think I will be flaring the cuff on my existing boots this year. It really sounds like heavy modifications are more the way to go than going "off the shelf".

Except, I'd like to try a boot with a lower ramp angle, and some toe-out.
post #17 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thanks RicB for the info.
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