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post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
To ski here http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...ight=cody+bowl

i think it is the cody bowl will i need to buy an avalanche beacon and a shovel, or can i do without the beacon??? cus those things are sooo expensive.

what are the exact requirments to go through those access gates i.e what should i bring. I don't plan on skiing any of the "cliff" hard stuff but that bowl looks amazing in the pics...

thnx
post #2 of 17
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Originally Posted by staffpro View Post
To ski here http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...ight=cody+bowl

i think it is the cody bowl will i need to buy an avalanche beacon and a shovel, or can i do without the beacon??? cus those things are sooo expensive.

what are the exact requirments to go through those access gates i.e what should i bring. I don't plan on skiing any of the "cliff" hard stuff but that bowl looks amazing in the pics...

thnx
sp:

I can't get your link to work.

Believe it or not, your question is very hard to answer.

If it is indeed Cody Bowl, then yes, you should have a beacon. Still, lots of people ski there without a beacon. I guess it's a question of how much you and your friends' lives are worth.

You can rent beacons (as well as the shovel and probe you also need) at a few shops in Jackson. The only requirement about going through the access gates is that you're breathing when you go through. You don't have to have a brain in your head.

Almost this exact question was asked just a couple of weeks ago here. This is the link:

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=45102
post #3 of 17
: It takes way more than just having that equipment. You have to know how to use it. Besides, none of those items will save your own life. They are used for rescuing others. Good decision making and sound BC knowledge saves you own life. No offence, but it doesn't sound like you possess either, based on you post.

Powdr
post #4 of 17
Just bring a cell phone (sarcasm).
post #5 of 17
I can see the link now.

More or less in order of the photos, they are skiing Cody Bowl, Four Shadows, Central Couloir, No Name Face, No Name Bowl, Endless Couloir, and Cardiac Bowl. NONE of that is controlled for avalanches.

Every single one of those is a place where you should have a beacon, shovel, probe, pack, the knowledge to use them, and the experience to choose your routes and your conditions.

I hope you'll give some thought to hiring one of the guides or taking an avalanche course. The best option is both.

Have fun while you're here. And stay safe.
post #6 of 17
Thread Starter 
i do have some basic avalanche knowledge back from a catskiing trip i did in BC so i think i'm good there, if i indeed end up skiing the backcountry at JH it will be with 3 friedns 2 skiers one boarder. All of us have reccos on our jackets. But... nevertheless i will consider renting the beacon... i will buy the shovel for sure...

thnx

oh one other question once your skiing the cody bowl... is there a way to ski back into the resort so that you can make use of the lift system or do you have to hike/get someone to pick u up ith car somewhere...?

thnx again
post #7 of 17
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. But... nevertheless i will consider renting the beacon... i will buy the shovel for sure...
Do you mean to say you'll go into the BC with a shovel but no beacon? What good will this do if you, or one of your friends, gets buried? I'll be in Jackson for a week in January and want more than anything to head out of bounds but I plan on restraining myself out of sheer respect for my life. Being an east coast skiier I do NOT have the knowledge necessary to be in high avalanche conditions, and it's not worth risking my life to enter them at this point.

If you rent a beacon make sure you acutally know how to use it, and use it well (i.e. under stress, quickly). It's not for me to decide if you head out the gates or not but judging solely on your posts so far I would advise you not to leave the ski area boundary.
post #8 of 17
You don't need to know how to use your becon, or shovel, or probe...your friends need to know how to use theirs
post #9 of 17
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All of us have reccos on our jackets. But... nevertheless i will consider renting the beacon... i will buy the shovel for sure...


oh one other question once your skiing the cody bowl... is there a way to ski back into the resort so that you can make use of the lift system or do you have to hike/get someone to pick u up ith car somewhere...?

thnx again
You do know that Recco is used primarily to locate bodies?

You'll have to get the directions out of Cody Bowl from another source. It honestly doesn't sound to me like you and your friends are prepared to leave the boundaries.

Sorry, it's just a matter of principle with me.
post #10 of 17
Thread Starter 
i know recoos are not substitues for beacons, and when i went catskiing there was this 45 minute avalanche awarness thing where we learned how to use the beacons. After doing some more searches on this and the tgr forums i found some picks of a slide happening on the face that is the main photo when u go on the jackson hole website frontpage so now i will definalty get that beacon and advise my friends to do so, if they will i guess i can teach them in all honesty its not that hard the guide at the catskiing place tought us the jist of it in 15 minutes and then let us practice for like 20 minutes, then he explained signs of an avalanche happening, and after that they taught us how to search for one person using a group of ppl with tranceivers like the sweeping/scanning techniques... sort of reminds me of my lifeguarding course when ur searching for someone at the bottom of a lake lol...
post #11 of 17
Good Luck : !
post #12 of 17
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sort of reminds me of my lifeguarding course when ur searching for someone at the bottom of a lake lol...
Actually I suppose it is quite similar to searching for someone at the bottom of a lake in that you're looking for a body. What everyone is trying to stress is that in addition to scouring for bodies, you also need acquire the knowledge and skill to avoid being stuck at the bottom of the lake or caught up in an avalanche. Here's a link to start you on that path:
http://www.avalanche.org/~nac/basics/ski_index.html

Good luck and stay safe.
post #13 of 17
Thread Starter 
i knew i would get flamed when i started this thread... but thnx for all the replies appreciate the info. I WILL GO BC skiing for at least one day for the experience in febuary during presidents weekend and week.

thnx
post #14 of 17
I would suggest getting a guide. Not only will they maximize your experience, you will learn a ton!
post #15 of 17
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I would suggest getting a guide. Not only will they maximize your experience, you will learn a ton!
And they will show you the best terrain for your competency. The JH guides are excellent -- but expensive. You will, however, be more likely to be safe and get to ski some stuff you otherwise would not even be able to find (Zero G, Once is Enough, etc.). They also will build your competency to ski OB without a guide.

Better yet, take a back country course at JH. the JH ski school offers such courses, or you could take one from Exum. All that being said, you really need more than a 45 minute lesson from a cat skiing operation to be safe in skiing BC in the Rockies, particularly in the Teton BC.

Mike
post #16 of 17
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Originally Posted by staffpro View Post
i do have some basic avalanche knowledge back from a catskiing trip i did in BC so i think i'm good there, if i indeed end up skiing the backcountry at JH it will be with 3 friedns 2 skiers one boarder. All of us have reccos on our jackets. But... nevertheless i will consider renting the beacon... i will buy the shovel for sure...

thnx

oh one other question once your skiing the cody bowl... is there a way to ski back into the resort so that you can make use of the lift system or do you have to hike/get someone to pick u up ith car somewhere...?

thnx again
I"ll give you directions. Once you ski through Cody bowl, and pass tree rock bands, you'll start skiing through some trees, when you pass the 14th oak tree, make a hard left, that'll take you to the middle of the Hobacks and back to the lifts. Be careful that you don't make the left after the Maple tree after the 14th oak tree, or it runs you into a 55% chute ending at a 100 foot drop. If you wait until the 15th oak tree to make the left, then your in trouble because you're too low, and will have about a 3 hour hike out. If they got less than an 8 foot base, then extra trees will be uncovered, so add 8 to the above number of trees.
And Have Fun.....
Better yet, maybe you should hire a backcountry guide.
post #17 of 17

Go guide

Can I add my two cents? Of course I agree you need a guide. But if you're worried about how much it costs, you can sign on for full or half-day guiding in groups at the ski school building. It's a good deal. And since you already have a group of your own, you'll probably fill the guiding group quota on your own. I did this for a full day and had the best ski day I've ever had, better than heli days, better than cat days.
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