EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › On the Snow (Skiing Forums) › Ski Gear Discussion › Another All Mountain Ski Help Thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Another All Mountain Ski Help Thread

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
Hi, I hoping to pick up new skis (ideally before the season starts) this year. I'm kicking myself for not demoing at the end of last year, but now it's October and I'm worried about finding the right skis at a decent deal.

Here's my info:
- 5' 11", 172 lbs. 39yrs old
- skied 20-25 days last year, will be closer to 35 days this year
- most of my skiiing at Tahoe area resorts w/ a week trip to the park city area
- Current skis: Salomon xScream series (yellow), 187cm w/ 914ti bindings
- probably in the 7-8 level range, and of course wannbe higher
- Currently skiing 70% off piste, 30% groomed

- I also spend about 10-15% of my time in bumps. Generally prefer medium turns at speed

Any input/advice would be appreciated. Yes, I know I need to demo if at all possible!
post #2 of 15
There are lots of directions that you could take. Given your current skis, two that you might like are the Salomon X-Wing Fury, and the Atomic Snoop Daddy. Both are fairly wide (85-88mm) and both have a very light nimble feel. These skis will be a dream 70%-90% of the time and you will only be thinking of wider for a very few, very deep days. OTH if you get something much wider than this, you may be on the wrong thing more often than not.

IMO you don't need a ski any wider than this unless you place deep snow at the top of your priority list. If you do, you may be prioritizing a condition that you might not see very often.

SJ
post #3 of 15
The Salomon Fury skis beautifully, I would also recommend this one. You might also check out the K2 Outlaw, the Rossis B3, and the Dynastar Legend 8000.
post #4 of 15
Thread Starter 
thanks for the feedback. SierraJim, I saw your writeups on the sierra web site for each of the skis. A couple of followup questions:

- how do the Outlaws, Snoop Daddy and the Xwing Furys compare?

- Is my assumption that those 3 skis will handle the typical sierra crud better than the legend 8000 correct?

- what's my best bet for size? From reading through different threads it sounds like: 174 outlaws, 172 or 180 Xwing (probably 172), snoop daddy 174.

- any differences in the 06 vs 07 models for these skis?

- Should I consider the Volkl Mantras or AC4s?
post #5 of 15
TS:

First, when someone has been on Salomons, I'll often suggest another pair of Salomons or something with a similar personality because I know the skier will almost always like them. Although they are obviously different now than there were then, there is still a family resemblance.

The Fury and the Snoop share a light, nimble feel and a skier that likes one will generally like the other. Both are what I would call a finesse ski, but neither is wimpy. The Outlaw is pretty far on the smooth and damp side of the personality scale. I don't usually expect much energy or snap from a K2, but no surprises either.

Because of their width, all these skis will handle Sierra crud better than a Legend 8K but not by as much as you might think. The 8K is a gem because it mixes a near perfect blend of width, shape, and feel. Although it is an older design, I'm not sure it's been surpassed by much if at all.

The OL is the same as last year, the others are all new for '07.

AC-4 is a very differnt ski, it is a rock solid carver built on a wide body. It needs to be skied with some authority when in deeper snow as it takes either some speed or muscle to get it to flex. I'm thinking the Mantra is not the ideal choice because it just shades it's compromises a bit more toward the deeper snow than the other choices.

SJ
post #6 of 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by TahoeSkier View Post
Hi, I hoping to pick up new skis (ideally before the season starts) this year. I'm kicking myself for not demoing at the end of last year, but now it's October and I'm worried about finding the right skis at a decent deal.

Here's my info:
- 5' 11", 172 lbs. 39yrs old
- skied 20-25 days last year, will be closer to 35 days this year
- most of my skiiing at Tahoe area resorts w/ a week trip to the park city area
- Current skis: Salomon xScream series (yellow), 187cm w/ 914ti bindings
- probably in the 7-8 level range, and of course wannbe higher
- Currently skiing 70% off piste, 30% groomed

- I also spend about 10-15% of my time in bumps. Generally prefer medium turns at speed

Any input/advice would be appreciated. Yes, I know I need to demo if at all possible!
What you need my friend, is a pair of Volant Chubbs, and to reduce that groomer %.

BTW, the Chubbs perform admirably in bumps due to their soft tip, and relative lack of sidecut.
post #7 of 15
Chubbs are great skis, but I can't think of anything much more opposite to Salomon's than Volants

The Fury would be a great, safe choice if you can't demo, but they are brand enw this year so deals will be few and far between. I thought they were night and day better than the Scrambler series. If you're looking at ski swaps, you might have better luck finding Rossi Bandit B3's for a good deal (2006 model witht he orange topsheet, older models are much fatter), or maybe Legend 8000's. Can't remember if they made them last year, but Head IM 82?

Are you looking to go brand new from a shop, or hunting for a good deal?
post #8 of 15
Mostly agree with above, especially that the Fury would be a good call. B3's 176 and up definitely, but I'd guess will feel different: damper, less rebound energy, still good in bumps but not as quick, more secure in crud and heavy cut up snow. As a one ski quiver, the Mantra wouldn't be bad for Tahoe - yes, it shares the AC4 "fat carver" feel, but more forgiving and far better float in crud. Except that you mention bumps. That would seem to call for a mid-80's at most. Less agreement about the 8000. It's only marked flaw - getting its shovel pushed around in heavy crud - doesn't seem to make it a prime choice for Sierra Cement. Even my Mantra gets pushed around in that stuff.
post #9 of 15
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the advice so far. After a little more research, I think I've narrowed it down to SJ's original suggestions, the Xwing Fury and the Atomic Snoop Daddy.

At first I was leaning towards the Snoop Dadddy, but I am concerned about it's ability to handle the sierra crud at higher speeds (compared to the Xwing Fury). Is this a valid concern?

If so, does the decision really come down to slightly better at higher speeds for the fury vs. slightly more nimble in the bumps trees for the Snoop Daddy?

(One more comment - I assume that boths skis will handle the crud *far* better than my current salomon xscream sierras - is that correct?)
post #10 of 15
TS:

It will depend on the lengths you are considering and whether you are considering the Fury plated or flat. The Fury is ENTIRELY different in flex from the 172 to the 180 and from plated to flat. The 172 has a pretty soft flex and an especially soft tail while the system 180 is firmer and the flat version 180 is pretty darned stiff all the way down. In a crud punching contest I'd put the flat 180 Fury and the 185 Snoop very close. In the 172/174 versions, the Snoop is a stronger ski than the plated Fury.

Honestly, the flat 180 Fury feels like a different ski than the other sizes.

SJ
post #11 of 15
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
TS:

It will depend on the lengths you are considering and whether you are considering the Fury plated or flat. The Fury is ENTIRELY different in flex from the 172 to the 180 and from plated to flat. The 172 has a pretty soft flex and an especially soft tail while the system 180 is firmer and the flat version 180 is pretty darned stiff all the way down. In a crud punching contest I'd put the flat 180 Fury and the 185 Snoop very close. In the 172/174 versions, the Snoop is a stronger ski than the plated Fury.

Honestly, the flat 180 Fury feels like a different ski than the other sizes.

SJ
SJ, I was leaning towards the 172/174 versions. Do you recommend the flat for off-piste? Given that I'm coming off the 187cms, should I really be looking at the 180/185, or will I be giving up too much maneuverability?
post #12 of 15
I am really impressed with the Fury's. I think Salomon has done a great job with these skis, they turn well, they edge well, and the are world's better than the Scramblers. Give them a good run.
post #13 of 15
I used to ski on Xscreams also and went to Legend 8000’s.

They arn’t too different in feel as both are lively and light. I would say that the 8000 is the the "model" 70/30 ski that all others are measured against. Some might be better at certain things, but none carry out the whole picture like the 8000 does.

A 178 for your size and geography would probably be about right and easier in the bumps than something in the 180’s...
post #14 of 15
Thread Starter 
Any thoughts on the Metron B5 or B5 11 as an option?
post #15 of 15
Fischer AMC 76! Plus a ski at 187 cm's is way to tall for you now! Skis have more surface area with major sidecut now. No need to hamper your skills on a ski way to tall for you.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Ski Gear Discussion
EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › On the Snow (Skiing Forums) › Ski Gear Discussion › Another All Mountain Ski Help Thread