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15 inches ! You go Loveland !

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http://www.skiloveland.com/snowrep/snowrep.asp

and

cam:
http://www.skiloveland.com/cam.html

and now has listed a 25" base. they gotta be opening up more lifts this weekend or next at the latest. you may be doing real skiing on snow mother nature made anytime now !

oh, and arapahoe isnt doing too shappy with thier base up to 18" and 7" new of the white stuff.
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I was planning on making my first trek November 11th. It may have to be sooner, I am jonesing!
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Loveland was superb this morning!!! Shin- to knee-deep in places - and it's October! TR here: http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=45701
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The early season weather pattern in CO is quite interesting. Starting with Silverton making headlines in September (just about every year) with semi skiable terrain up high, then into October, where Loveland & A-basin usually open on man-made, but with a decent about of natural to help out, CO really does embody the best of early season skiing in the US.

These early storms are interesting. They follow a different jet then later in the season. These backdoor sliders come in somewhat higher and furhter to the East than normal Pacific storms and then really develop over Colorado, often missing or underwhelming most of the other Western states, including WA, OR, CA, WY, UT. A prime example is this week's storm; Tahoe got nil, UT got 3" and parts of CO got 15". Pretty amazing (and great for CO!).

Then, as the season really gets going, these backdoor sliders tend to subside and a more typical weather pattern sets up. Storms form off the Pacific coast and dive south, making landfall somewhere near WA/OR and head inland. The spot that they come assore make a huge difference in where the snow dumps. Early season sets up direct hits for WA, MT, WY and N. UT. Later, around Xmas, Tahoe get more direct hits and the Jet flattens out to carry the storms across the Rockies, but leaving CO with merely the dregs. It seems most of the base building in CO is done in Oct, Nov, & Dec and from there on it is more maintenance. At least that is my observation. Since bases *seem* to building quite well in CO already, I would suggest (predict) that coverage for the rest of the season should be quite good. Enjoy the goods!

Powdr
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It seems most of the base building in CO is done in Oct, Nov, & Dec and from there on it is more maintenance.
At Breck, we get quite a bit of snow in Sep/Oct that doesn't count in our snow totals because the ski area isn't open yet. So far at my house at 9750', I've received 47.5" and have about 15" on the ground which will almost certainly all melt off next week. Except for above treeline and in really shady northern aspects, Sep/Oct snow almost always melts completely off Breck not effecting the base at all. Nov/Dec are also two of our dryest months.

At Breck, we get some snow from storms moving from every direction so while each individual storm total is much smaller than Utah or Cali, we get a lot of smaller snowfalls (1-6"). Our big dumps come from a sustained northwest flow which only happens a few times a year. And in really rare cases when we get overflow from extremely strong upslopes from the east/northeast.

Loveland is even a better example of this effect and they get really dumped from easterly upslopes and get some snow from storms moving from every other direction.

Another thing most people don't realize about snow totals is that they vary widely within a small geographic area. Blue River probably gets twice what downtown Breck gets just 5 miles away. Because of the new Imperial Express lift Breck could legally move their weather station 300' up the hill and add 50+ inches to their average reported snow totals. If they did that, and counted the Sep/Oct snow, they'd average way over 400 inches per year with the increase being purely an accounting change.
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I'm not so much interested in resort snow total measurments, as much as I am curious about the prevailing weather patterns of various places (I know - I'm a little odd about that : ).

Look at the SNOTEL data for Loveland, where you have 'scaloping' of the snow water equivalent average (violet line - SWE is basically if you melted a column of snow, how much water would there be). There is a burst early on, then a flat period, repeating itself several times in a season:



Now look at the line for Snowbird. Aside from the far greater snow water equivalence :, it starts flater and gets steeper throughout the season, reaching max steepness in March. So you actually get more snow on the ground early at Loveland than Snowbird. That quickly changes by about Thanksgiving, when the season long PNW storm pattern sets up and takes direct aim at the Wasatch. Interesting.

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And you're playing with graphs while they are skiing in Colorado.
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And you're playing with graphs while they are skiing in Colorado.
Indeed.
post #9 of 14
The snowmaking map shows they're working on both Lift 6, where my favorite blues are) and Lift 2. Personally, I'm waiting for either of them to open before I head up, I think.
post #10 of 14
Two things... first, Powdr- interesting stuff. However, some parts of CO this week got 30", not just 15".

Also CO Dave- its worth heading up to Loveland for a day. They've got a decent seleciton of runs open for early season, and the snow's fantastic. I got some good boot deep powder today that was left over from this weekend's storm...
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I was at Loveland...

...Friday and Sunday, and it was unreal. It looks like this Friday, more snow again. Mambo and Richard's were both open Sunday, great snow top to bottom...actually got out on my new Head GSs, Atomic SLs, and Volkl SLs. More areas opening up, soon, I bet...I have a feeling this is going to be Colorado's year...what El Nino?
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...Friday and Sunday, and it was unreal. It looks like this Friday, more snow again. Mambo and Richard's were both open Sunday, great snow top to bottom...actually got out on my new Head GSs, Atomic SLs, and Volkl SLs. More areas opening up, soon, I bet...I have a feeling this is going to be Colorado's year...what El Nino?
Oh no! You went ahead and did it - you're gonna jinx the entire season.
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Originally Posted by SkiRacer55 View Post
...Friday and Sunday, and it was unreal. It looks like this Friday, more snow again. Mambo and Richard's were both open Sunday, great snow top to bottom...actually got out on my new Head GSs, Atomic SLs, and Volkl SLs. More areas opening up, soon, I bet...I have a feeling this is going to be Colorado's year...what El Nino?
El Nino effects probally will not kick in utill late Dec (prediction from NOAA), and let's hope that the split jet stream will not cut us Central/Northern CO resorts out of the storm track like 04-05. It really hurt Copper and other Summit resorts that season. Vail faired better because the storms will stack up on Vail Pass and not always make it to Copper. Steamboat was a disaster.

POWDR your SNOTEL inferences are spot on..I actually measure SWE throughout the Leadville/Upper Arkansas River basin area for the EPA where there are no automated sites and this is what we see as well.

The combination of sunny spells, dry snow, sublimination from ultra cold nights really influence CO snow pack.

Until then enjoy the early goods in CO...am looking forward to A-Basin later in the week
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the graphs

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I'm not so much interested in resort snow total measurments, as much as I am curious about the prevailing weather patterns of various places (I know - I'm a little odd about that : ).

Look at the SNOTEL data for

FWIW, the y-axes on the two graphs are not identical in scale.

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