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Stockli Stormrider XL vs. Laser SC

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
Before you start, I already know that they aren't the same kind of ski.

I'm looking for a third pair to round out my quiver consisting of:

179 SV
180 Explosiv

Me: 5'10" @ 190 +-5
Mostly ski @ Mammoth, sometimes Baldy down in LA or If they ever open again, Mt. Waterman
Level: 7/8 not even going to pretend and say 9.

Basically looking for a ski that will be better for when it hasn't snowed in a while and things are firm to icy.

I can only afford one pair. Would it be better to get the Stormriders @ 174, or the Laser SCs @ 170.

There is also a Stormrider @ 184 available but I'm not sure about that unless somebody has experince with both.

My only other experience with a ski like the Stormrider was the 178 Top Fuel which I friggin loved. Had me grinnin from the very first turn, & talk about rockets being strapped to your feet!
post #2 of 12
So buy the Nordicas. If you're a true 7/8 you'll find either Stockli a handfull, especially at local LA spots.
post #3 of 12
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the helpful response.

Unfortunatly I don't have the option of buying the Nordicas. I've found a deal on some Stocklis.

As for being a ture 7/8, I didn't find the Top Fuels to be a handful at all. Having only ever been on fat skis since a 9 year lay off, they were amazing! Maybe I'm the 1% being modest with their ability.

All I know is that I'm not at the level that "I" consider expert, but certainly have no trouble skiing most of the mountain, minus hucking cliffs & billy goating super sketchy rocky lines. Other than that, I have no problem with the steeps & bumps

I ski mainly at Mammoth and ocasionaly local in LA so the whole big moutain vs. small mountain thing isn't really the point
post #4 of 12
Thread Starter 
The real question, given the info, was if you could only get one more pair, would you get the Stormriders or the Laser SCs & whic length
post #5 of 12
If you want a ski for everything EXCEPT deep soft snow, the SC is brilliant. i have a pair, and love them except in powder. The waist sinks in that, you can still ski but it's a bit dicey.

These skis dance, hold hard and ice like claws, they love it. They are fast-as, but incredibly stable. Last winter I'd do a loop between lineups and people who I regarded as fast demanded to know what skis I was on when we stopped. They allow you to ski fast and yet feel safe.

They are a slalom-style ski but do long turns just as well as short. They are whippy skis with heaps of energy, the tail points are nipped off so you can vary the turn shape easily.

They power their way through crub and mess - they have a couple of layers of metal in them, so although they whip, they also punch.

And, they are awesome in bumps!

I'd go the SCs for sure, without hesitation, provided you don't want them for deep soft. I'd also go up a bit in length. I was meant to be on the 150-somethings, but went for the 163s, and that length is perfect for me. So you can go a tad longer with these, for more speed and stability.
post #6 of 12
OK so ignore beyond he probably has never skied Stocklis. I have, nearly every model because I retail them. They are definitely not a handful and I sell the highest performance models, SC for instance all the way down to intermediates. They love the ice holding and smoothness.

The SC is a wonderful ski especially if your deal is on the series before this with the longer turn radius. It is a great and versatile carving ski. I have a good friend that uses is for bumps and several good masters racers that use it on course.

Rider AT also great ski, very very versatile all mountain ski, but 184 demands committment. I'm 6'2 185 and ski the 174 all day all over Louise and Fernie

XL feels more rooted than AT. More like locked up GS ski. For all mountain back and front we preferred the AT.
post #7 of 12
I fell in love with the previous SC, the grey ones with less sidecut, but Disski grabbed the last pair of those! So I got these golf-ball pock-marked ones, but they are as good, despite their tighter turn radius and foam cores. they really are a great ski. They slink.
post #8 of 12
I'm going to center this on your comment ... "firm and icy" ...

At that point, I shoot for the SC; it's going to be more responsive underfoot.
post #9 of 12
Thread Starter 
Are the SCs skidable in certain situations; steep chutes, jump turns, or will there be too much of a springboard effect as with most carving skis?
post #10 of 12
these skis are damp, but lively. They jump turn nicely, but if the snow's soft and deep, the middles will lock into it. And they become unstable, they hang up (sidecut and narrow waist).

They skid fine though, the nipped off points of the tails facilitate that.
post #11 of 12
what these guys are telling you is correct. The Scs are great skis but you are now focusing on things they weren't designed to be great at.

If you really need a ski that is good in chutes and sutuations where you can't just carve all the time I would look at ATs.. They are a great ski with all that characteristics of smoothness and hold as the SC but are longer radius, wider and more easy to skid. Really a great ski.

It is the best selling ski in my store for exactly the reason that it is so versatile. Certainly more so than the XL which really feels like a very hooked up carving ski.

post #12 of 12
FWIW, I have skied on Stockli's, enjoy them, grew up in LA, skied mostly at Mammoth, sometimes at the local hangouts like Watermans. My comment was based more on Squirel's self-description (7/8). Other than race510, I've never encountered a review, here, elsewhere, or from a friend, that considers the SC anything less than a strong ski that likes speed and asks for developed skills - say advanced and above. My own experience on the XL is similar. You can put an intermediate on a WC ski, but that's not saying that it'll reward their skill level.

Now if Squirel is actually modest, and more like 8/9, but confused about the differences between a slalom carver in the 60's and a midfat carver in the high 70's, and if he actually concentrates on Mammoth, then SOME Stockli may be an excellent choice. But in my 45 years of skiing Mammoth, I've rarely seen it in a condition where a skinny slalom carver is the best call. A midfat with some beef and good carving credentials - Stockli AT or XL, Volkl AC3 or AC4, Nordica Top Fuel - would be waaay better choices.

But I'm sure the folks from Canada and Australia and wherever have a better grip on what to ski at Mammoth...
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