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post #31 of 58
Okolepuka, Just to keep things real. The backside of 9990 isn't Big Cottonwood Canyon I think it is Millcreek Canyon. BCC isn't all that far away maybe one mile from the top of 9990.
post #32 of 58
your correct ,IT IS Millcreek canyon.
post #33 of 58
You are right, my mistake.
post #34 of 58
9990 does in indeed back up to BCC, not Mill Creek. Square Top, to lookers right, forms the nexus of BCC & Mill Creek. Behind 9990 is desolation lake, which *is* considered in BCC.

Powdr
post #35 of 58
I had no idea that Desolation lake was considered part of BBC. My Bad.
post #36 of 58
I was right, no mistake.
post #37 of 58
Take a look at the image below. 9990 lift (red line) and peak are at the left. Desolation is directly behind it. Follow the drainage (green line), and you see it ends up in BCC. Now look to the far right. Mill Creek drainage (yellow line) flows one down and one ridge over from Desolation. Many times in the Winter, I take touring routes down behind 9990, through Desolation and *always* end up in BCC, never Mill Creek.



Powdr
post #38 of 58
nice ... so how do you get back?
post #39 of 58
The old fashion way; skin back up. You can make the saddle of Scott's pass with about a 2K climb.

Powdr
post #40 of 58
don't think anyone mentioned this, but what does suck about Park City is the scenery compared to other places, not just LCC/BCC. It has all those cottonwoods and the view isn't that great and it just doesn't feel like a Big Mountain. One year we stayed in a house at PC and ended up skiing every single day elsewhere, and were never sorry for it, because of conditions. Obviously, snowfall totals are similar to Colo., but don't compare to LCC/BCC around the corner and to me, good conditions are everything in skiing. One of the mornings we woke up to clear blue in PC with no new snow reported and dropped into what had to be over 12" of fresh off the Snowbird tram. I would not say PC sucks, not whatsoever, just comparitively, if you live out there, it would be just fine, but for a "sport" like me who only gets 1 or if i'm lucky 2 trips a year, I want ever one of my 4 days to count! I want my snow soft and sweet and I want my scenery alpine, and I don't want the runout that I find so much of at PC and The Canyons in getting around. Jupiter bowl is nice. Otherwise the PC mtn is like a big Vermont mtn. Deer Valley is my least favorite.
post #41 of 58
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Originally Posted by SnowbirdDevotee View Post
don't think anyone mentioned this, but what does suck about Park City is the scenery compared to other places, not just LCC/BCC..
You mean sucky like the Poconos? :
post #42 of 58
Thread Starter 
I guess what I'm looking for is a hint as to what to expect when going to Park City, The Canyons, and Deer Valley. I know it won't be Alta or Snowbird, but lets face it, no place is. But my buddy's dad likes to go to new places to mix it up. If I had it my way I would go to Alta exclusively. But the question is, will it be worth spending $1500 to go to park city being a skier who primarily skis killington and mount snow? And yes, Park City if DEFINITELY where we're going. What i'd be looking for is at least boot deep powder, nice bumps, light snow and at least some amount of challenge being a level 7 skier.
post #43 of 58
alot of these reviews are based on nightlife,lodging and groomed terrain.! me my self have always looked for small lift lines,mucho powder,backcountry,glades etc.. so you gotta look at current or recent snowfall and look at the trail map to scope out areas you wanna hit..!
reviews are for the rich and for people that spend 99% of their time on groomed runs.!
post #44 of 58
spend your $1500+ and go to BC
post #45 of 58
Did you look at all the pics in the thread I linked to? If so, you have your answer. And, for a variety of reasons - including lazyness, a busted lift and a cornice closure on the traverse to Anchor Trees/Daly Chutes - I had no pics from that trip of much of the better off-piste stuff at DV. Seriously, if you are a "level 7" as you say, every one of the PC areas is likely to have planty of terrain that will make your head spin - you just have to look for it.

BTW- if you think you are up for it, do the free advanced tour at DV. They usually cover the mountain pretty well. And be sure to poke around Sultan and Mayflower there too.

Again, I'm not comparing the PC resorts to any other resorts. Just reiterating that (snow/weather being "normal" or better) if you can't find fun skiing there, it is most likely because you are not looking very hard...
post #46 of 58
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by spindrift View Post
Did you look at all the pics in the thread I linked to? If so, you have your answer. And, for a variety of reasons - including lazyness, a busted lift and a cornice closure on the traverse to Anchor Trees/Daly Chutes - I had no pics from that trip of much of the better off-piste stuff at DV. Seriously, if you are a "level 7" as you say, every one of the PC areas is likely to have planty of terrain that will make your head spin - you just have to look for it.

BTW- if you think you are up for it, do the free advanced tour at DV. They usually cover the mountain pretty well. And be sure to poke around Sultan and Mayflower there too.

Again, I'm not comparing the PC resorts to any other resorts. Just reiterating that (snow/weather being "normal" or better) if you can't find fun skiing there, it is most likely because you are not looking very hard...
Thanks for the feedback. Yeah I saw those pictures, I just wasn't sure if they were indicative of a typical day in park city, or if that was a kick ass day. Let me rephrase...I wasn't sure if it would be likely to encounter a day like that during a week of skiing. But yeah I figured since I'm no expert those resorts would have enough challenge. Just wanted to make sure the snow was good. I keep forgetting that a number of the people who bash these resorts are likely people hucking cliffs at Snowbird or Jackson.
post #47 of 58
Powdr - actually the Poconos are VERY beautiful, green and LUSH, but only from May to right now, end of October, in the winter we are King of Drab.
post #48 of 58
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post #49 of 58
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Originally Posted by cabrown317 View Post
And yes, Park City if DEFINITELY where we're going.
If PC is definitely where you're going, why worry? Have fun!!

You've made your decision, you will have fun
post #50 of 58
yeah don't worry. If need be you can always get over to the canyons a day or so. Then you can decide if that's what you want for next time. Personally I like staying in PC - more going on after the skiing is done for the day.
post #51 of 58
I'm going to be in PC January 17 - 23. I am staying slopeside at Deer Valley and am currently just planning to ski there.

Part of me wants to check out the neighboring resorts, part of me wants to be lazy and just ski at Deer Valley. I have been to Alta/Snowbird but they are a little far and I don't have a car this trip.

Is it worth catching the free shuttle to check out Park City or the Canyons? Any idea how long that should take?

Edit: Does the snow differ between the 3 resorts at all?
post #52 of 58
Unpossible, DV and PCMR share a ridgeline. If you hang a right getting off Empire Chair, you'll notice little bobbing heads appearing on your left as you ski down the blue groomer. They are skiing the blue groomer off McConkey's at PCMR.

The Canyons is a bit of a longer ride though, it's out on the way to Kimball Junction.
post #53 of 58
http://forums.epicski.com/showpost.p...8&postcount=32
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Originally Posted by unpossible View Post
I'm going to be in PC January 17 - 23. I am staying slopeside at Deer Valley and am currently just planning to ski there.

Part of me wants to check out the neighboring resorts, part of me wants to be lazy and just ski at Deer Valley. I have been to Alta/Snowbird but they are a little far and I don't have a car this trip.

Is it worth catching the free shuttle to check out Park City or the Canyons? Any idea how long that should take?

Edit: Does the snow differ between the 3 resorts at all?

I posted a couple of Daly pictures in the post http://forums.epicski.com/showpost.p...8&postcount=32

Look at http://home.comcast.net/~mdf_ski_web...ley_index.html
for a few more.

My take is that DV has excellent advanced terrain, but limited amounts. (Although the Mayflower (? Morninside? something like that) area was closed by the time I got over there, so that may be worth skiing too.)

There is more advanced terrain at PCMR, though I didn't find anything as intense as Daly Chutes. There are some nice spots -- check out the trees under the pioneer lift -- short but steep, and with a nicer spacing than most.



Don't know about the shuttle, but driving past PCMR and going to DV only added a short time - maybe 10 minutes? Don't remember exactly.
post #54 of 58
we did this last time - no car stayed in PC.

There's a bus out to the Canyons you can catch - not too bad.

Also there's the Canyon Hop van to Alta/SB and they have discount lift tickets. It was around $70-80 for trip and lift ticket.
post #55 of 58
Thanks for the links and pics. Its been a while since I have skiied anywhere but Tahoe, just haven't been able to justify the trips when I am a 3 hour car ride away with a free place to stay.

Ah moguls, I see a lot of them in your pics, you just don't see that many in Tahoe, especially with all the good snow of last season. I hope I don't regret pullling the trigger on some 177 07' Mantra's. I guess I did manage ok in them at Northstar-At-Tahoe in some 174 06' 1080 Foils's, but Mantra is much wider under foot though. Lets hope they groom a few of their steeps, screamers are always fun.
post #56 of 58
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Originally Posted by unpossible View Post
Thanks for the links and pics. Its been a while since I have skiied anywhere but Tahoe, just haven't been able to justify the trips when I am a 3 hour car ride away with a free place to stay.

Ah moguls, I see a lot of them in your pics, you just don't see that many in Tahoe, especially with all the good snow of last season. I hope I don't regret pullling the trigger on some 177 07' Mantra's. I guess I did manage ok in them at Northstar-At-Tahoe in some 174 06' 1080 Foils's, but Mantra is much wider under foot though. Lets hope they groom a few of their steeps, screamers are always fun.
I wouldn't worry about it moguls. First, we were looking for them. My son decided he wanted to learn moguls, and those in the wide picture are some of the best learning moguls ever. Second, I had my usual bad powder luck. I think we were there the only week it didn't snow signficantly all winter.

For steep and smooth, PCMR grooms a "road" through some of their bowls, which the purists howl at but I think is a good idea for several reasons: a) for those that want to, and can, zoom, b) an escape route for those pushing their limits (more power to them), c) an escape route for idiots (boo), and d) it reduces traffic in the rest of the bowl.
post #57 of 58
Mudfoot's summary of terrain is accurate. All 3 PC areas have some real steeps, but nothing on the scale of JH or Altabird. Intermediate runs at PCMR tend to be on the low side of intermediate and many of them at the Canyons have long flat runouts.

With regard to snowfall, average is around 150 in town and 300 at 9,000 feet. That's quite similar to base and peak snowfall at a lot of Colorado areas. The exception is Jupiter Bowl, which is as close to Brighton as it is to the rest of PCMR and gets about 350.

The issue with the Canyons is that its main exposure is east. Most of Deer Valley faces north, so its snow will be better when it's warm. For early season coverage and powder days, not much difference in snow among the 3 except for Jupiter Bowl.

I think Summit County in Colorado (Copper, Breck, Keystone) is a close analogy to the Park City group in terms of scale, terrain and snowfall. Most of the winter Park City is better because it's less crowded. From mid-March on Summit County is better because the snow preserves so much better with 2,000 feet higher altitude at both base and peaks.
post #58 of 58

Funny

10,000 acres of skiing, more than 400 runs, some of the best restaurants west of the Mississippi and all within a four mile radius and 30 minutes from an international airport . . . of course it sucks. You should definitely skip it.

I grew up in Colorado, and I've skied Breckenridge, Monarch, Keystone, Winter Park then took 20 years off, and took up skiing again. I have a cabin in Colorado 30 miles from Winter Park and will go to the condo we got in PC at least 5 times this season to the complete exclusion of anywhere else.

But, maybe I just like stuff that sucks.
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