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Rossi 9S world cup plates

post #1 of 19
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Hi I'm wondering if any one can help. I get skis trade in the UK as i work for a local ski shop and my new summer race set has just shown up. Can any one tell me the dfference in plates, as they have the composite plates i think, and not the WC ones. Its got a slightly lower flex than the WC but apart from that i've been told the ski the same. The rep also says that the ski rated as a junior, due to the plate. anyone know anything about this. Not sure why i'm worrying after 4 months on plastic they will be trashed, but just a bit currious, as i know that my pre order 05 9S and 9X have a WC plate, but they will be for snow
post #2 of 19
Hi Uk head racer, who are you as I probably know you from the joys of plastic racing - Simon. I have the 9s with the RK plate. On the composite plate you can put any bindings but on the RK worldcup plate you have to put Rossi FKS Bindings.The RK plate has a centre pin which can be moved that supposedly adjusts the flex of the ski, but nobody seems to know....
post #3 of 19
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Penfold old boy, i know you more than from just racing the plastic stuff.......... Well they got the rk plate, but not the well stiff vist one, thus rating them as the Ed drake/ becky oneill version. They will only end up getting nicked by you briistol punters at kings finals i expect.....
post #4 of 19
Actually james ignore everything i said i thought u were talking about rossis, for the heads the vist plates look like theyre for fat boys ie people(stronger than my skinny self)
post #5 of 19
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no bristol punter, i am talking about the rossis. just the rossi rep had some with a vist plate on
post #6 of 19
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And you not away with punter paul at busc, had the misfortune of having to put up with the youngest telling sibling the other day, and he stole most my CH4 and made a mess of the chatham tech counter. Well a desicition is to be made, kings finals or celtic cup. Sorry to all your non plastic people out there for this randomness
post #7 of 19
OK- I'll bite. plastic punting= skiing on a plastic mat? is road rash an issue? 1, 2 or 3 degree side bevel?

I hope you will not think me provincial---
post #8 of 19
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yes it skiing on the plastic matting and the many sorts we have now. It does have a tendancy to burn through clothing or at least leave a perminate white mark as well as eating skis. And well a good 88 degree side bevel, and 0.5 degree base works best, along with a ton of ch4.
post #9 of 19
rossi used a vist made plate on their race skis a couple of sesons ago (all disciplines) at the same time a plastic 3 piece plate was available to the general public for use with the Axial binding (vist was fk only). the vist slowly died off with intro of the hinged middle "frankenstein" plate which again is usually only fk compatible (although i have seen axial inserts)
post #10 of 19
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well im getting fks bindings with it. hopefully it wont be the nasty axial type
post #11 of 19
I was told recently by a shop owner and tech that Vist actually makes Rossignol's plates for them. Not sure if its true, though. I certainly like the Vist plates on my Elan SLX's. These are jointed w/ a piece of rubber midway. I understand they have another model for recreational skis.

Can't you Brits tell us a bit about skiing on the mats? I'm not sure you realize how unfamiliat that is to most of us.
post #12 of 19
depending on who you talk to vist is partially owned by rossi, makes plates for them or copies the plates.
rossi, head, elan, stockli and a few others (not salomon or atomic that i ma aware of) have all used vist in the past. at the moment most of rossis plates are made by emery (who they own) and time pedals (bike company with wicked CNC capability).
this could change at any time of course, i have seen new plates on both rossi and dynastar that are not a familiar design?
post #13 of 19
can you post some links to pictures?

Is it accepted and accessible to recreational skiers? A couple of U.S. areas tried mats int he 80's to attract summer ski business but it was a failure becuase recreational skiers hated to fall on the stuff and the hardcore hated to have their gear ripped up- have they overcome those hurdles?

thanks- michael
post #14 of 19
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This about the biggest slope in the uk, just out side edingburgh, it about 400 metre long and has various slopes, like big air, big long run, shorter runs and nursery slopes. Usual slalom times are about 20-24 seconds.

This is a picture of my friend racing on the stuff

There about 60 slopes around the uk, so everybody is within about 50 miles of a slope. Also we have 3 snow domes which all round the middle of the country and they still not like skiing on proper snow. Dry sliopes are still popular, even though the amount of broken thumbs are quite high. It offered as a good way to learn, as you dont go too fast and teaches the fundimentals. Recreational skiers just put up with it, freestyles do mostly rails as it doesnt absorb too much inpactr and the race scene is very healthy with various regional and national competitions running during the summer months, with national seeding etc. Skis do get trashed pretty quick on the surface depending how the skis have been looked after, and the slope length as the skis do get very hot!!!
post #15 of 19
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Skiing on matting, well it very bizzare. Burns your skis pretty quick, its sticky and well it takes a lot of work to make your ski turn. But racing on it big in the uk. there about 50 slopes around the uk, from 25 metres to 400, and some are justa constant pitch and some have major terrain changes, and there proper half pipes, jumps and moguls. Differnets sorts of matting too. There dendex, which is the main surface, which is made up from 1 metre square mats of plastic brush type material, which laid out in a diamond shop grids, with holes in it, which allows agtes to be put in. There is also newer materials, called snowflex, which is being to make freestyle and teaching slopes, as it is softer, and is easy to lay. But they are both totally different to skiing snow, even with sprinkler systems and the weather we have in the uk. But it isnt something to be knocked, many of our racers once started out on dry slope including Chemmy, who had some good WC finishes this year. Any more questions about dry slope, racing or otherwise?
post #16 of 19
What's the grip like on a dry slope? Do you have do be light on the edges or can you crank as you would on snow/ice? Also, it looks like that course is set with very little offset. Is that because the surface is slower, or because it's harder to make the skis turn as much on the surface?
post #17 of 19
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Grip can be described as interesting. You can sometimes crank like you would on snow/ice, but too much and you break away from the matting and too little and the ski hardly turns. Thats why most people are skiing on fischer wc sc, just to get the turn. The courses are also not as offset, like you said, but his varies slope to slope, as some are faster than others, and staying on the edge too long rails your skis really quick. Gate offset to usually 2 yards, but can be bigger and the differnet levels have larger and distance between gates isnt as much as on snow, with racing beeing pretty much a sprint with runs usually being being between 10 to 20 seconds. Once you spend a lot of time on dry slope, you know how much to trust the surface, but you have to make sure the skis are dead sharp and well lubed. As well as all the ch4, we spray the skis with lubricatants like wire pulling compound, Mr sheen(furniture polish) and back to black ( car fender cleaner).
post #18 of 19
you know, this makes -15 degrees F and boiler plate look pretty good- I think i would be scared to death -- I hate road rash.

at least the course doesn't rut up, but does everyone turning in the same spots burnish the carpet and make it locally slick?

You guys have my admiration-
post #19 of 19
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the matting dies over time, but once it worn in it speeds up. and usually the later runners have an advantage on the start as the first couple of gates are reallt quick due to all the lubricants all the previous runners have used
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