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post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
Anyone have experience with the newer Look bindings? I am buying a pair of Monster 82's and the ski shop is recommending the PX 12 Lifter with that ski.
post #2 of 15
Theres no reason to put a lifter on an IM82. The Mojo 15 or regular PX12 would be a better choice.
post #3 of 15
Thread Starter 
I believe the lifter raises the binding 6mm. Will that make much of a difference either way? I've read that it makes the ski a bit quicker edge to edge.
post #4 of 15
As much as I like Look bindings, I would avoid these binding on those skis. As TC said, consider the MOJO 15 or RailFlex 14.

Cheers,

Michael
post #5 of 15
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Originally Posted by Hoontasan View Post
I believe the lifter raises the binding 6mm. Will that make much of a difference either way? I've read that it makes the ski a bit quicker edge to edge.
Lifters kill snow feel, which you're going to need every last bit of with a plank like the IM82. If you're really concerned with quickness edge to edge, you should look at a groomer ski.
post #6 of 15
Upon further review, Im pretty sure lifters have very little to do with edge to edge quickness- I don't think moving the boot further from the axis of rotation is going to make rotation about said axis any faster. What they're really meant for is improved leverage on the edge and clearance to prevent booting out.

Neither of which you need to worry about on an IM82.
post #7 of 15
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Originally Posted by barrettscv View Post
As much as I like Look bindings, I would avoid these binding on those skis. As TC said, consider the MOJO 15 or RailFlex 14.

Cheers,

Michael
I'm a little confused. My take away from TC's post was that he recommended no lifter at all. He did not recommend the RailFlex but did recommend the MOJO or the regular PX 12. I assumed he didn't recommend a RailFlex because it has a built-in lifter to it. Am I correct in my interpretation?
post #8 of 15
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Originally Posted by Hoontasan View Post
I'm a little confused. My take away from TC's post was that he recommended no lifter at all. He did not recommend the RailFlex but did recommend the MOJO or the regular PX 12. I assumed he didn't recommend a RailFlex because it has a built-in lifter to it. Am I correct in my interpretation?
Hi HT,

I'm simply separating the Look models from the Tyrolia models. The Look is available with or without a lifter. Given the choice, no lifter is generally preferred on a wider ski. TC is directing you away from bindings with lifters.

The RailFlex binding provide an elevated height. But the Railflex is a better binding than the Looks for this ski. The RailFlex design allows for unrestricted flex, a benefit that out weights the lifter issue in my mind. the RailFlex also allows easy repositioning and re-installation if you change boots at some point. The RailFlex will also provide greater resale value. Generally, factory matched bindings are better sellers than components that are selected differently.

When I wrote my earlier comments, I suggested the MOJO 15. This is a high performance design and also a factory match. The MOJO has a lower lifter height than the Railflex. Its a good binding, better than the Looks on this ski, but a second choice to the RailFlex IMO.

Cheers,

Michael
post #9 of 15
I've skied the new Looks enough to know they would not be my choice if I had one. Have also skied the Mojo 15's. Best around for a true fat ski, like a Gotama, but overkill for a midfat. IMO, the Railflex is perfect: Tyrolia already makes Head bindings, the adjustability will improve your skis in pow vs ice, and the ski body can flex on its own.
post #10 of 15
You don't need the unrestricted flex of a system binding on an offpiste ski. Putting something like the railflex on an IM82 will kill snow feel and remove all of its power, turning it into a dead plank. If you're really worried about a round ski flex, get a carving ski. If you want a ski for busting crud and light pow days, put a flat binding on the IM82.
post #11 of 15
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Originally Posted by Takecontrol618 View Post
You don't need the unrestricted flex of a system binding on an offpiste ski. Putting something like the railflex on an IM82 will kill snow feel and remove all of its power, turning it into a dead plank. If you're really worried about a round ski flex, get a carving ski. If you want a ski for busting crud and light pow days, put a flat binding on the IM82.
The question partially comes down to is the i.M 82 an off-piste ski, that depends on its use. We can agree that the MOJO will provide a better feel and might aid responsiveness.

Michaek
post #12 of 15
The bottomline is that it's all about personal preference.

I have the PX12 Lifters (actually the sister Rossi Triaxial model) on my Karmas. Like 'em fine.

I have Marker Titanium Piston 13's on my Mantras. They seem to be okay, but are crazy heavy.

I have Tyrolia Railflex 12's on my AK's. They seem to be okay, as well.

I have a pair of Salomon S912's that I'm mounting on some Blizzards this season.

I would probably say that I like the PX12/Rossi bindings the best. They seem to be the most responsive and the lift is pretty minimal (I rooted around on the Net about this before I bought the bindings. I believe the lift is pretty minimal in respect to other bindings that offer lift).
post #13 of 15
I will chime in here with my own experience...I personaly thing the Look bindings are the best binding on the market and I have two pairs of the new ones...one of them is on a Mantra and I love them to death.
post #14 of 15
I've skied on with P12 lifters on my bandit xxx's for 5 seasons. Can't say that I've missed snow feel. It doesn't build that much. They've taken beatings and abuse without any problems (two pairs of skis died under them...). Never pre-released, never failed to release when needed.

Oh and I'm short, so I guess they make me look taller

In short: If you get a better deal with lifters then there's no need to spend the extra cash on something else, imho.
post #15 of 15
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Originally Posted by barrettscv View Post
When I wrote my earlier comments, I suggested the MOJO 15. This is a high performance design and also a factory match. The MOJO has a lower lifter height than the Railflex. Its a good binding, better than the Looks on this ski, but a second choice to the RailFlex IMO.

Cheers,

Michael
Why would a Mojo 15 be better than a PX14? I have heard lots of good things about the Mojo 15 and I consider it on the same level as a Look or Salomon but I wouldn't say it's any better.
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