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post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 
This is my first post here and I've surfed around a little bit and read some posts, this looks like a really, really good forum so I look forward to the time I will spend hanging out and learning new stuff here. I think this is in the right forum, but if not, let me know mods and move it if required.

I am a pretty advanced skiier- I enjoy difficult blues and blacks. Black runs are where I enjoy myself, steep, fast, moguls, trees are the best. When on a blue I enjoy short, quick turns. I've been skiing the last 3 seasons on some Salomon Xscream 8 skis and have enjoyed them, but the last day of last season saw them in as I hit some nasty rocks and the metal edge popped out, so I am not even going to fix them.

I want to buy new skis this season and am wondering what you all recommend, I'm looking to put down less than 800 (college student...poor) on some skis and bindings, but I had a shop set me up when I got my skis last time around, so I'm looking for your advice. I don't have a shop near me so I am looking at getting some stuff online. The nearest shop is in my hometown where it's only a Scheels, so not all that great even... and I live in Iowa, so going to Colorado to some shops is not reasonable.

I've found that the Salomon XW Fury (2007) and Volkl Unlimited AC3 Titanium (2007) look like really great skis, what do you think of those? Any other suggestions? Let me know what you all think, I really appreciate it!
post #2 of 10
IC kyle b, welcome to EpicSki! You will find the crew here both knowledgeable and generous, so you're sure to get a lot of ideas...

Did you take a look at the FAQ? There are number of questions and insights in there that might help us help you.

Also, what boots are you skiing? Are you keeping them?

What feel are you looking for in the skis? The Salomon and Volkl feel are pretty close to polar opposites! Those are both excellent skis, but what you seek both in terms of performance and feel are vital.

How do you turn? Why do you turn? Have you had any instruction or coaching? How recently?

Sorry to answer your question with questions, but you'll get more personal answers if you're able to answer them...
post #3 of 10
Thread Starter 
Rossignol Salto STS (i think) heat fit liners, they are nice boots, I am keeping them.

Those two skis were just ones that I ran across that had good reviews, I haven't found a site with good reviews of skis new and past. I am looking for a ski that is similar to what I have now, maybe something I can move into some more advanced skiing with. I've had some instruction in the past, probably 6 years ago is the last time I took lessons- mostly semi-private, taken for the first 10 years I skiied, up until I was about 14. Since then I've just skiied with other advanced skiiers.

I turn pretty sharp with pressure hard on one ski, I'm a faster skiier. My turns are shorter and often, I don't ski across the entire mountain. Anything else that would help if I answered? I've spent most of my time getting better on my own the last few years so I'm no ski-talk guru.
post #4 of 10
ICkb, thanks for the added input. For those others reading the thread, here's the Bootfitter Review for the Salto:
Rossignol Salto STS/Saphir STS


It's hard to put a finger on what makes the Salto (for men) and Saphir (for women) combo a Best Buy. Certainly, it's not their names, which are goofiest in class. And they didn't score big in any specific categories. Instead, they took the tortoise route and were steady in all phases, earning respectable scores in every column. The liners make generous use of thermo-moldable foams to personalize fit and polar fleece for warmth and comfort. The shell extensively employs bi-material construction with softer plastic at critical fit junctures and a rigid frame for power transfer. There's also a standard compliment of personalization features--cuff cant, macro buckles (that require a tool to set), a walk mode switch--that all work adequately. One stick-out feature is the replaceable, rubber toe and heel pieces that make walking a breeze and provides superior traction. Fit and finish quality does nothing to hurt Rossignol's stature as one of the leading ski equipment manufacturers. Both the shell cuff and the liner in the Saphir respect female morphology with a lower, wider profile and a narrowed heel.

On the Hill

Extraordinary pillow-like comfort with oodles of toe room. But don't be fooled. The tranquil environment belies a good degree of nimbleness and strength. The Salto and Saphir are very capable when challenged and provide spicy, spirited rides on a variety of terrain from groomers to dancing through widely-spaced trees.
The Salomons, in general, are damper skis, staying quiet under foot. The Volkls, on the other hand, are livelier and beefier, demanding more of the skier. The X Wing I have heard has more of the lively characteristics since it's a wood core, but having not skied them, I cannot give you the specifics.

The AC3 (especially in 06/07) is a fantastic ski for a skilled skier, and more to my personal liking. You may also want to consider Atomics (Metron M11:B5s, for example) and Fischers (the RX8 or the AMC 79). If you want to stick with the damper feel, you might want to add Rossis to your list (B3s). Will you be able to demo them at all?
post #5 of 10
Before recommending a ski as wide as an X-Wing Fury, I'd want to know where you ski, and how much deep snow (say.....more than 6"-8") you are are going to encounter.

The '07 AC-3 IS a great ski but it is maybe more money than you need to spend and it is a ski that works best for a skilled pilot with his game in order. It is also a pretty expensive ski for a guy on a budget. You say you have been skiing a Scream 8 and liked it. That's a good recommendation for another Salomon. I'd consider the Tornado or the X-Wing 10 over the Fury among '07 skis.

I'd also suggest an '06 Salomon Scrambler Hot that I think is a nice step above what you have had withiout being the stiffest most agressive ski out there. It is a pretty rare skier that won't find this ski to be a fantastic tool for most things. Here is a link to the ski I'm suggesting, there are lots of other good skis out there as well.


post #6 of 10
Thread Starter 
From what I've read, there is a "damper feel" to the screams that I currently own, what exaclty is that?

also don't see a whole lot of powder, and when I do I've found that I haven't liked my skis so much in anything more than 3 inches.
post #7 of 10
Think about "damp" in terms of cars. From the Buick Park Avenue or Caddy "feel" (floating over the pavement) to a high-end Porche to a full-on race car, you get similar "feel" in skis. The Salomons you have are more towards the float end than the "tight suspension" end of the spectrum.

The complexity comes in when you realize that "feel" is not "performance." You can have a damp ski that is very high performance, and a lively ski that's mid-range. It's real a personal preference thing. I like the skis to feel energetic under my feet, so I prefer the liveliness of a Volkl, Atomic, and the like.

SierraJim's recommendations are excellent ones (as usual!). Especially the idea of dropping back to last year's models to save some $ for skiing...
post #8 of 10
Yeah, SJ knows what he's talking about. In the GM family, Solomon is the Pontiac Bonneville or maybe the Buick GN, not Caddy Coupe de Ville, not even the Buick Park Avenue. Fisher is the SS Camaro, and Atomic is the '96 Impala SS.
post #9 of 10
Thread Starter 
So in reading around I've found that a lot of you strongly feel you should demo a ski before buying, which is common sense. But my last pair of skis were just bought after I rented them for a day and loved them, they happened to have a pair so I purchased them.

My time out west is limited- 15 days of skiing or so- and I want to get the most out of it. When demoing skis, do I just go into a shop and ask for a certain ski to demo? Or do I demo by just finding shops that offer the skis I want in their rental equipment? My first ski trip is to Steamboat and I will be staying at the base- I've never done this before, so any help would be great.

Cliff notes: How do I go about demoing skis? Anyone know some good shops at Steamboat for this?

EDIT- also, should I just get the bindings that are "recommended" or come with the ski, or what should I be looking for in bindings? I figure I am a level 8 skier and I have no clue as to where to even start with bindings. Also, what price premium would I be paying for skis out west during the season as opposed to nowish online? I am thinking I might as well get them out west since I want a shop to set them up and everything for me...
post #10 of 10
ICkb, there are a number of good shops in Steamboat, and you might want to ask in a separate thread with a title that makes clear what you seek. One option is Christy Sports, and you can reserve skis/demos from them on-line--or by calling ahead.

Most of the shops will take a call from you, tell you what they have available, and take a reservation. In addition, most allow you to swap either during the day or across multiple days. Lastly, most will apply your demo fees to a purchase should you choose to buy from that shop.
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