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Versatile Freeride skis... completely lost.

Poll Results: For a 65% ON-slope and 35% OFF-slope program, which Freeride ski would you take?

 
  • 2% (1)
    Scott Aztec Pro (current season)
  • 31% (12)
    Volkl AC4 (last season)
  • 2% (1)
    K2 Apache Recon (last season)
  • 18% (7)
    Dynastar Legend 8000 (current season)
  • 31% (12)
    Head Monster IM 77 ou 82
  • 0% (0)
    Scott Mission (last season, maybe too wide -90mm- for slopes)
  • 13% (5)
    Not one of those, I advise you to rather consider...
38 Total Votes  
post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
Hi everybody, this is my first thread on this forum which sounds very interesting and filled useful informations.

First of all I'd like to warn you about the upcoming english language mistakes, I'll do my best to avoid them.

Actually I'm looking for a versatile freeride ski adapted for a 65% on-slope and 35% off-slope "program".

I'll let you know more about me before I go on:
-M
-1.84m (I think that's between 6 and 6.1 feet?)
-76kg (167.2 lbs I assume...)
-Physical condition: great
-Skiing level. On slopes, between good and very good. Off slopes: total rookie.
-Skiing style. always agressive, love medium bumps and short turns, rather fast velocity but not too much... in other words I want to have a good and funny time, that's all!

In order to select THE ski, I've been spending a lot of time reading and finally selected those ones:

Scott Aztec Pro (current season)
Volkl AC4 (last season)
K2 Apache Recon (last season)
Dynastar Legend 8000 (current season)
Head Monster IM 77 ou 82
Scott Mission (last season, maybe too wide -90mm- for slopes)

You're welcome to suggest me other skis as well.

I gather some specs are quite important and have to be respected:
180cm at least and 80mm width at the most.

Thanks for helping me out, I'd love to ski in the US, your domains seem great but are they better or different than ours in Europe?

I'm looking forward to reading your comments.
post #2 of 18
I have heard good things about the Heads. Isn't a 180 cm minimum a bit long for someone of your weight?
post #3 of 18
Hello Velk & welcome to Epic,

Several good skis on your list. I would try the Head Monster 82 & 88. The Volkl AC4 is also excellent. See: http://forums.epicski.com/showthread...ht=AC4+Monster . Try the search function for more impressions.

Cheers,

Michael
post #4 of 18
Monsters rock.... I ski 88's and they are great all mountain... I've heard great things about the 77's and 82"s as well. I demoed the AC4 last year, and thought it was a killer ride also... Can't go wrong with any of the monsters, or the AC4...
post #5 of 18
Thread Starter 
I thought you would support your national brand, Scott! Out here people are crazy about Scott skis. What do your magazines say?

Thanks for the link.

It appears to me that HEAD skis' hight radius and height are not interesting, either to short or tall...
post #6 of 18
Velk, Scott skis (and bikes) were only brought to the US market last season, so they don't really have a customer base yet.

and you are not the first to notice the size selection in HEAD skis.
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=42316
post #7 of 18
Velk, welcome to EpicSki!

You will not go wrong with any of those skis, but the bias will come down to your preferences and the snow that you usually ski. I take to like a bit more life from my skis, so prefer the Volkl to the Head. I haven't had the opportunity to ski Scotts, yet (hopefully this early season!). You might also consider the Nordica Hot Rod series (Top Fuel is probably closest to these others).
post #8 of 18
Velk:

There are a few things here to consider.......

You are asking for a ski to do all things but with a bias toward on-piste.
You should stay in your original parameters of ~~ 78-80 mm.
Wider than this is unnecessay and will detract from you main usage.
You might consider a little wider if you get a forgiving ski.
You are a fairly light weight skier. And a rookie off piste.
You should avoid stiff skis.
They will be OK on piste but will rough you up off piste.
A stiff ski will tend to buck you if you make a back seat mistake.
A stiff ski will need more speed in the off piste to flex and turn.

To me it makes sense to get a ski that will shine where you ski the most, (on piste) and will flex well enough that you don't have to ski it fast in the off piste in order to turn it. IMO it will take you some time to get the level of skill and confidence to need anything wider than 80mm or to need a stiff ski. In the meantime, you will have more fun on something more forgiving.

There are lots of good useful skis out there that won't overpower you.
Legend 8000
K2 Recon
Rossi B2 or B3 (B3 is wide, but forgiving)
Fischer AMC 79
Nordica Nitrous or Afterburner (AB is wide but forgiving)
Salomon X-Wing Fury (wide but forgiving)

SJ
post #9 of 18
I vote for the Rossignol B2. It's performance is great and its vastly more forgiving than most of the skis on your list. It won't beat you up as much in medium bumps.
post #10 of 18
SJ, when you get a chance, do you have a Fury vs. Hurricane opinion?
post #11 of 18
Thread Starter 
Are the new I.M. 77 any different from the one of the previous season?
post #12 of 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by Velk View Post
Is the new I.M. 77 any different from the one of the previous season?
The "flat" version, without the Railflex binding is unchanged from last year. The Railflex ski, which was also the "chip" or "intelligence" model has been discontinued this year.

The flat version was better liked with better reviews generally. The "chip" model was considered a little dead feeling.

Cheers,

Michael
post #13 of 18
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by barrettscv View Post
The Railflex ski, which was also the "chip" or "intelligence" model has been discontinued this year.
Wow, that's not a good sign, maybe I should consider other skis...
post #14 of 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by Velk View Post
Wow, that's not a good sign, maybe I should consider other skis...
The Monster i.M 77 is a very good ski. The two models, one chip with Railflex and one flat were redundant. The flat model was better liked as an alpine ski with the flexibility of accepting any binding. The flat version was also liked by AT and other types of users.

I was not surprised the Chip ski with Railflex was discontinued, it provided nothing, yet required redundant inventories to the similar flat ski throughout the supply chain.

The i.M 77 is still a great ski and can be found at bargain prices.

Cheers,

Michael
post #15 of 18
Before I viewed the poll results I kinda figured the AC4 would be among the favorites, but given that it's for 65% on-piste, I'd expect the AC3 would be a better choice than the AC4.
post #16 of 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
Velk:

There are a few things here to consider.......

You are asking for a ski to do all things but with a bias toward on-piste.
You should stay in your original parameters of ~~ 78-80 mm.
Wider than this is unnecessay and will detract from you main usage.
You might consider a little wider if you get a forgiving ski.
You are a fairly light weight skier. And a rookie off piste.
You should avoid stiff skis.
They will be OK on piste but will rough you up off piste.
A stiff ski will tend to buck you if you make a back seat mistake.
A stiff ski will need more speed in the off piste to flex and turn.

To me it makes sense to get a ski that will shine where you ski the most, (on piste) and will flex well enough that you don't have to ski it fast in the off piste in order to turn it. IMO it will take you some time to get the level of skill and confidence to need anything wider than 80mm or to need a stiff ski. In the meantime, you will have more fun on something more forgiving.

There are lots of good useful skis out there that won't overpower you.
Legend 8000
K2 Recon
Rossi B2 or B3 (B3 is wide, but forgiving)
Fischer AMC 79
Nordica Nitrous or Afterburner (AB is wide but forgiving)
Salomon X-Wing Fury (wide but forgiving)

SJ
Jim is a wise man . I especially like the Legend 8000 suggestion. I had a chance to ski on them last winter and they were a lot of fun. They would definitely be on my short list for midfats if I were planning on adding some to the quiver.
post #17 of 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by comprex View Post
SJ, when you get a chance, do you have a Fury vs. Hurricane opinion?
I probably don't have as much as you'd like because the Hurricane did not make my initial cut. I skied it for one run top to bottom at Mammoth and was not interested enough to test it further. This does not mean it's a bad ski but it is a step down construction in an Expert Terrain category.

I didn't think that an Expert skier would balk at the price of the Fury nor was the Fury too much for a progressing advanced skier. So, as a result, the Hurricane just did not fit. As a price hedge, I bought some of the Fury flat and matched 'em with a Salomon Closeout binding for less than the Hurricane system so I never thought much about it again.

SJ
post #18 of 18
Welcome to epicski Velk,

From your list I like the Legend 8000, tho I don't see any bad choices.

Might add either Elan M666 or Magfire 12 to your list....if I recall correctly these might be avail here via Epic from dawgcatching another sponsored tech.

Might also want to consider Volkl Karma, good on groomed, off trail and you can ride switch too....probably 184(they ski short due to twin tip design) for you but might also try 177.

Re AC4, haven't ski'd the 2007, but I hear it is a huge upgrade from 2006 which I liked. Motion w/ IPT setup makes it kinda like a fat Allstar. Shorter probably a bit better if you will ski mostly on piste.

Great list and other great suggestions here too...demo as much as you can.

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BTW I have both 168 Volkl Allstar and 170 RX 8 neither had any trouble in up to 12 inches of snow at least for me...I ski eastern USA not a lotta dumps here. Mid fats are not the weapon of choice for me. The groomed slope performance of both skis is incredible. I am 6' about 180lbs. I discussed both in detail in my thread last year "Volkl Allstar first impressions" Do not make the mistake of underestimating either ski. Either will completely blow away any ski on your list on piste. You said I was welcome to suggest sooooo....: 65% on piste, I am still skiing the same rides....

sorry
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