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Head RS 80?

post #1 of 11
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Well I just bought a new pair of last season's Head RS 80 boots today. It is really wonderful to have a pair of boots that fit well and that are snug and tight (but still comfortable) without cranking down the buckles.

Anyway, I love the new boots, but for some reason whenver I get something new I want to know everything about it. So I have a couple of questions:

1) Head (until this year, I guess) uses their own stiffness rating system. The RS 80s have a stiffness of 8.6 in Head's system. About what would this be equivalent to in a more normal stiffness scale? 90? 100? I was assured the boot is stiff enough for me (I'm 5' 9", 140 lbs, advanced, prefer skiing off piste), but it does seem to flex rather easily.

2) I've seen some people refer to Head's RS series as "semi-plug" boots. What does this mean? I know what a plug is but I thought a boot either is a plug or it isn't, so which is it?

3) The RS 80 comes with the 103 mm inner last. I think I might like the fit even better with the 100 mm FCS last. How do I go about acquiring the 100 mm last? I didn't know about this option when I was at the ski shop. It takes a while for me to get there (I have to take public transport), so is there any way to get one directly from Head or some other way?

4) Has anyone skied this boot? What did you think? I know I can't wait to get mine out on the hill!

Thanks!
post #2 of 11

Head 80

Your boot does seem soft to me for your weight and ski preferences. Although flex is personal. You can't judge flex well in the store due to the warmth of the plastic.

To make the boot a 100 you just need to get a 100 chassis from the retailer. As a 103mm last the boot is fairly wide in the forefoot. Do you have a wide foot? If not you might be better off with a narrower boot.
post #3 of 11

Semi plug

Sorry forgot one of your questions. Plug is really just another name for a world cup width race boot. But most shops do not stock plug models. The forefoot width is 95-98mm. Never more. Most are 96mm.
post #4 of 11
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Originally Posted by race510 View Post
Your boot does seem soft to me for your weight and ski preferences. Although flex is personal. You can't judge flex well in the store due to the warmth of the plastic.

To make the boot a 100 you just need to get a 100 chassis from the retailer. As a 103mm last the boot is fairly wide in the forefoot. Do you have a wide foot? If not you might be better off with a narrower boot.
My foot is relatively wide in the forefoot (my feet are D width), just a bit narrower in the heel and calf, which is why the boot ended up working well for me. The width is ok right now, I'd just like to see what the difference is with the narrower last and see if it's any better or worse (for such a simple change I figure it's worth it just in case).

Maybe I can get the shop to mail me the narrower last. It just takes over a an hour for me to get down there so if I don't have to I'd rather not actcually go in.
post #5 of 11
I could be wrong here, but I think you might misunderstand what a last is : . The last is the shape and size of the plug used to form the inside of the boot. Once a boot is made, you can't change the last. There are some shims and other adjuncts that you can try to use to make a wide boot narrower (these don't work very well), but in your case, you should just return the boots and see if they can order you the narrower version for the same price.
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Originally Posted by bjohansson View Post
I could be wrong here, but I think you might misunderstand what a last is : . The last is the shape and size of the plug used to form the inside of the boot. Once a boot is made, you can't change the last. There are some shims and other adjuncts that you can try to use to make a wide boot narrower (these don't work very well), but in your case, you should just return the boots and see if they can order you the narrower version for the same price.
No, I know what a last is, Head's terminology is just annoying. The narrower boots have a removable interior "last" which is really a a shim like you say, but that screws into the bottom of the boot and wraps around the foot, and can be slightly customised for your foot. It's removable so the customer can have the boot either wider (without) or narrower (with). Head calls it the inner last, if it was my choice I wouldn't have called it that but that's the way it is. The RS 80 model doesn't come with this shim/"last" or whatever you want to call it, but it can be added. The higher models don't actually have a narrower last (from my understanding), they just come with this interior piece. The interior piece is called N100 FCS (for Full Custom System).

My boot (the RS 80) has a shell that is the M103 (larger) size. I want to get the N100 FCS piece. Here is a link that explains a bit better than I can:

http://www.head.com/ski/technology.p...t_boot_for_all

One clarification: that link says the M103 is also a "frame that can be customised to the foot using a simple cutter." I don't have a frame like that, the actual shell of the boot is 103mm. I'd like to try the N100 frame.

So what I want to know, is where can I get the interior piece to try out? I'm sure the shop can get it for me, I'd just rather not have to go all the way down there. I'm guessing I'll like the boot better without it, I just want to make sure. If it's an option and it's reversible, why not try it? The boot really does fit excellently (believe me, I tried boots from Head, Nordica, Tecnica, Dalbello, Atomic, and Lange), I just can never seem to leave well enough alone. I'll reiterate, I think it's more likely this piece will not be an improvement, but I'd like to make sure.

Does this help clarify things a little bit?
post #7 of 11
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Originally Posted by tennisets View Post
So what I want to know, is where can I get the interior piece to try out? I'm sure the shop can get it for me, I'd just rather not have to go all the way down there. I'm guessing I'll like the boot better without it, I just want to make sure. If it's an option and it's reversible, why not try it? The boot really does fit excellently (believe me, I tried boots from Head, Nordica, Tecnica, Dalbello, Atomic, and Lange), I just can never seem to leave well enough alone. I'll reiterate, I think it's more likely this piece will not be an improvement, but I'd like to make sure.

Does this help clarify things a little bit?
If you order them from the shop you bought the boots from, it's very likely they'll have to be shipped to the shop.

Instead of you driving (1hr each way) to the shop them up, why not just have the shop ship them directly to you from the manufacturer? You might have to pay a few bucks for shipping, but it seems like that would solve the problem.
post #8 of 11
The boot will flex more at room temperature. When it is at ski temperatures it will be stiffer. Given your weight, this boot should work nicely for you. The shop should be able to provide the N100 frame free for you. However, if the shop did a good job fitting you, they would have already determined that you do not need it.
post #9 of 11

RS 80 inner frame

Your understanding is correct and the 80 does not come with the inner frame that other race models have. There is no reason the shop should be able to provide it free as it doesn't come with the boot. However, many shops that sell the full range of Head boots may have some of the frames from other models that they ended up removing the frame from. The 110 for instance comes with both frames.

Good luck with your search. A few calls should get you what you need.
post #10 of 11
I have the same boots, love them. I added the 100FCS and cut it up to my liking, best fitting boot I have had so far. The optional last is FREE and the shop should have them on hand. If not they can order it for you, for no cost to you. If all else fails contact Head their customer support is very good.
post #11 of 11
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Originally Posted by tennisets View Post
Thanks for the education. A day in which you [i] learn something new is not a wasted day.

You might want to pose this question (whether it will make a difference or not) to Jeff Bergeron. He seems to know quite a bit about the Head product line.
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