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post #1 of 26
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Okay, used to be an instructor, worked in ski shops , etc. Had kids, office job, the whole bit, now just getting back into skiing after 14 years since my kids are starting lessons this winter (YAHOOOO!!!!). Spent all my $$ on kids equipment, now need to get myself back on the hill.

I have a set of Salomon Equipe 747 bindings from early 90s, used maybe 4 times. I can buy a brand new pair of Volkl P40 F1 Race Carve from 2001 (still in plastic) for a steal. Can the old bindings be mounted on the "newer" skis? The Skis are not plate version, but I want to be sure these will work before .

I know the P40RC is a really stiff ski; I will use my old K2s until I get my legs back, but I cannot pass up the price if these bindings/skis will work together.

Thanks in advance.
post #2 of 26
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Originally Posted by HudsonHacker View Post
Okay, used to be an instructor, worked in ski shops , etc. Had kids, office job, the whole bit, now just getting back into skiing after 14 years since my kids are starting lessons this winter (YAHOOOO!!!!). Spent all my $$ on kids equipment, now need to get myself back on the hill.

I have a set of Salomon Equipe 747 bindings from early 90s, used maybe 4 times. I can buy a brand new pair of Volkl P40 F1 Race Carve from 2001 (still in plastic) for a steal. Can the old bindings be mounted on the "newer" skis? The Skis are not plate version, but I want to be sure these will work before .

I know the P40RC is a really stiff ski; I will use my old K2s until I get my legs back, but I cannot pass up the price if these bindings/skis will work together.

Thanks in advance.
Hi Hud,

Welcome to Epic and welcome back to the sport.

I also took 15 years to return to skiing, and I also started up again with my kids in tow. It's a great family activity.

About the skis & bindings; we need to know where you plan on skiing. We also need to know things like your weight and conditioning. The P40RC might work for a large & strong skier out east, depending on the size of the ski. The bindings are probably obsolete, and no ski shop will touch these because of insurance indemnification, see: http://forums.epicski.com/showthread...824#post570824

Tell us more about yourself.

Cheers,

Michael
post #3 of 26
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I will just be skiing around Montreal area (laurentians, maybe vermont once in a while, mainly small hills with the occasional trip to Jay). So basically sking on ice! The P40s are 193cm. For some reason, there are a flood of these out on e Bay for $40 and less. I realize these are still 5-6 year old skis, but still have to be better than my 16 year old K2s.

I am 5' 10", 180lbs. My old K2s are 210s, so when I go into a ski store and the guy starts talking 165cm, I get worried. I realize the P40 is a really stiff ski, fine with me. My knees are too trashed/tired for any more bump skiing, primarily high speed cruising when I am off on my own. Turning 40, and after a lifetime of sports, my knees are not going into the bumps anytime soon!

I have heard that the P40 takes some power to move around, but I am fine with that. I used to bump ski on a pair of 205s, so I don't mind working them too much.

As for the mounting of the bindings, I am in Canada, so although liability is a concern, it is not as bad as it is in the US. I can mount them myself if a shop won't do it. I just want to find out if that Binding will physically fit that ski. I kept the bindings greased up, loosened the springs, so they should still be okay. I will have them tested before I ski on them though. I am unsure of any places in Montreal that have binding testers, they used to be all over the place when I skied in New England years ago.

Worst case, I'll ski on my old K2s this year and gear up next, but my old skis are probably so dry/dead by now that that may not be an option.
post #4 of 26
Consider the risks!!

If you buy a new, equally discounted binding you will probably pay about $125. If you were to find someone who will actually mount those old bindings (this might be unlikely even in Canada) you will have to pay at least $25-$35 for them to be mounted. So you are talking at most a cost of say $90-$100 to get some protection for those 40 year old knees that you complain about.

$90-$100 bucks......is it worth it to you??.........or your kids??

Cheap can be smart, but it can also be.........well..........not smart!!

SJ
post #5 of 26
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
Consider the risks!!

If you buy a new, equally discounted binding you will probably pay about $125. If you were to find someone who will actually mount those old bindings (this might be unlikely even in Canada) you will have to pay at least $25-$35 for them to be mounted. So you are talking at most a cost of say $90-$100 to get some protection for those 40 year old knees that you complain about.

$90-$100 bucks......is it worth it to you??.........or your kids??

Cheap can be smart, but it can also be.........well..........not smart!!

SJ
At this point a 747 in Canada, with the exchange rate is more like a 557. If you worked in a shop 14 years ago, you know you wouldn't want to ski a 557

Maybe someone here would be willing to part with either some 912's or P12's from the recent SAC sales.
post #6 of 26
These should be available for less than $75.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Marker-M1100-TIT...QQcmdZViewItem

Cheers,

Michael
post #7 of 26
Thread Starter 
Binding problem solved! A friend has an extra set of newer Markers he will give to me for these new boards.
post #8 of 26
HudsonHacker, if there are a lot of P40 skis out there, you might want to consider the next smaller size. The 193 is a lot of ski for eastern hills, and you will really find something shorter easier to work with. These are a competition type ski, are very stiff. That 193 is a whole lot of ski. They are good for ice, and high speed, but I really think if you have the option for a ski in the 175 - 185 range, you will enjoy it a lot more, especially skiing with the family. Glad to see the binding issue worked out.
post #9 of 26
You might want to consider these: http://forums.epicski.com/showthread...328#post571328

Cheers,

Michael
post #10 of 26
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Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese View Post
At this point a 747 in Canada, with the exchange rate is more like a 557. If you worked in a shop 14 years ago, you know you wouldn't want to ski a 557

Maybe someone here would be willing to part with either some 912's.
I just so happen to have an extra pair of brand new S-912's, I'd sell you for what I got into them, plus shipping. You'd have them on your door step for less than $100.00.
post #11 of 26
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Originally Posted by barrettscv View Post
You might want to consider these: http://forums.epicski.com/showthread...328#post571328

Cheers,

Michael
Thanks for the offer, but I am sure you know some broke student who needs these more than I do and would appreciate them. I still will have my old K2s for skiing with the kids, and will use my new ones when I am out on my own.

Paul
post #12 of 26
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Originally Posted by trekchick View Post
I just so happen to have an extra pair of brand new S-912's, I'd sell you for what I got into them, plus shipping. You'd have them on your door step for less than $100.00.

I appreciate the gesture, but I did find a pair of Markers from one of my friends the other day.

Paul
post #13 of 26
Forget those skis.Even if they are free.They had their day.For a bit more money..$75-150 you have a HUGE! choice amongst new 2-5 y/o skis..that are almost as good at what they do best..PLUS they are way,WAAY more versatile,user friendly.You're doing yourself a disservice to be heading back into the sport on an outdated 5-6 y/o basically competition level gs ski. Comparing those skis to newer skis is silly.When you move away from those skis you will really wonder what you are doing on them.This is why they regularly sell for around $31 Cdn. a few miles from my house.747's had nowhere near the safety of the next gen of bindings.Plus the mount holes are different.So close that if you mount them it is next to impossible to move up to a newer Sal later.
post #14 of 26
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Originally Posted by Arnoldtheskier View Post
Forget those skis.Even if they are free.They had their day.For a bit more money..$75-150 you have a HUGE! choice amongst new 2-5 y/o skis..that are almost as good at what they do best..PLUS they are way,WAAY more versatile,user friendly.You're doing yourself a disservice to be heading back into the sport on an outdated 5-6 y/o basically competition level gs ski. Comparing those skis to newer skis is silly.When you move away from those skis you will really wonder what you are doing on them.This is why they regularly sell for around $31 Cdn. a few miles from my house.747's had nowhere near the safety of the next gen of bindings.Plus the mount holes are different.So close that if you mount them it is next to impossible to move up to a newer Sal later.
Where do you live? Actually, where is this store? I ALMOST shelled out about 400 Canuck bucks for a new old GS 11 21-m ski with 614s.
post #15 of 26
Since the technical questions seem to be answered, I'll offer that I too returned to skiing after 15 years off, and it has been the best decision I ever made. My son will be starting up this year too.

So welcome to epic, and back to the slopes. Take it easy at first, while your mind remembers how to turn, it might take a while for your body's ability to catch up.
post #16 of 26
Haveitsold..don't know if that has all the right spelling?.They list and sell these things,Cuppollos..as of a few weeks ago was still peddling these things..for a similar price$29..I think as well as the P50's and Race interface,actionsportsoutlets.They were/have been trying to unload these types of skis since last year.I could go on and on..do a search..do some digging.Drop into a Sportchek..they were selling 2004 Salomon Equipe 10 2vs' and Labs last year since about Feb for $99.I was in one a few weeks ago and they had some Atomic GS11..for $200 and change.NO I can't remember any more details.I'm not an Atomic guy.As well as a bunch of others.Phone around..see if they will do some digging..they can often tell you which one of their stores has this.Better to go.There are other brands too.
These kinds of old race skis are a dime a dozen in longer lengths.New..a few to 5/6 years old.$ 30..50..100..150.Do an Ebay search. REMEMBER! I SAID a few to 5/6 years old.NOT! 2005/2006/2007 skis.Point I am making..or trying to.Hard A** race skis that are long from a few years ago to 5/6 are not worth very much.Those kind of skis are now simply WAAY outdated for pretty much anyone that is racing..or wants/needs a ski with todays technology.And for 99.9% of the skiing population they will never,ever be able to enjoy,appreciate them.
I was in a ski store that had a PILE! of these type of old skis/new.And the store was busy.They were telling people NOT! to buy them..UNLESS! they knew EXACTLLY what they were buying.They said they liked repeat customers..and for almost all cusomers..you buy one of these rocket sleds you ain't gonna be too happy with us.
post #17 of 26
I too spent a few years when the skiing was very sparse. Don't worry, you 'll fall right back into it.

VA, (sorry to drift, but on the topic of cheap skis.) I saw this shiny stainless steel Volant ski in a sportcheck for like 80 bucks. It had a machette icon on the base, and may have said machette on the topside. It also had a littl "G" pressed into it on the front half. Could you tell me what this ski would be good at? I still don't have a good tiny-hill ski, and my high-speed skis are overkill for Ontario. Thanks a bunch.
post #18 of 26
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Originally Posted by Arnoldtheskier View Post
Forget those skis.Even if they are free.They had their day.For a bit more money..$75-150 you have a HUGE! choice amongst new 2-5 y/o skis..that are almost as good at what they do best..PLUS they are way,WAAY more versatile,user friendly.You're doing yourself a disservice to be heading back into the sport on an outdated 5-6 y/o basically competition level gs ski. Comparing those skis to newer skis is silly.When you move away from those skis you will really wonder what you are doing on them.This is why they regularly sell for around $31 Cdn. a few miles from my house.747's had nowhere near the safety of the next gen of bindings.Plus the mount holes are different.So close that if you mount them it is next to impossible to move up to a newer Sal later.
I intend to go with some new boards in 2007-08 ski year; I will use my old K2s for sliding around with the kids this year; I just need something to get going for this year. I don't intend to do any bump or tree skiing this year, I will just use the P40s when I am at Tremblant or Jay doing high speed cruising. The P40s may not be a versatile ski, but from the research I have done, high speed cruising is one of the things they are good at.

My job allows me to get to some of the bigger hills during the week when they are quiet. Lots of open runs, shorter lift lines = perfect for a high speed race ski.

Hey, maybe I'll hate them but for less than $20 it is worth an experiment. Heck, that is cheaper than renting a pair of demo skis, and worst case I can sell them for the same $20 after a few days trying them.

Paul
post #19 of 26
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Originally Posted by HudsonHacker View Post
The P40s may not be a versatile ski, but from the research I have done, high speed cruising is one of the things they are good at.


Paul
The P40 is a lot more versatile than you may think. I think you'll like it. But I would definitely put some current bindings on them.

You will rock on those P40's!
post #20 of 26
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Originally Posted by Arnoldtheskier View Post
Haveitsold..don't know if that has all the right spelling?.They list and sell these things,Cuppollos..as of a few weeks ago was still peddling these things..for a similar price$29..I think as well as the P50's and Race interface,actionsportsoutlets.They were/have been trying to unload these types of skis since last year.I could go on and on..do a search..do some digging.Drop into a Sportchek..they were selling 2004 Salomon Equipe 10 2vs' and Labs last year since about Feb for $99.I was in one a few weeks ago and they had some Atomic GS11..for $200 and change.NO I can't remember any more details.I'm not an Atomic guy.As well as a bunch of others.Phone around..see if they will do some digging..they can often tell you which one of their stores has this.Better to go.There are other brands too.
These kinds of old race skis are a dime a dozen in longer lengths.New..a few to 5/6 years old.$ 30..50..100..150.Do an Ebay search. REMEMBER! I SAID a few to 5/6 years old.NOT! 2005/2006/2007 skis.Point I am making..or trying to.Hard A** race skis that are long from a few years ago to 5/6 are not worth very much.Those kind of skis are now simply WAAY outdated for pretty much anyone that is racing..or wants/needs a ski with todays technology.And for 99.9% of the skiing population they will never,ever be able to enjoy,appreciate them.
I was in a ski store that had a PILE! of these type of old skis/new.And the store was busy.They were telling people NOT! to buy them..UNLESS! they knew EXACTLLY what they were buying.They said they liked repeat customers..and for almost all cusomers..you buy one of these rocket sleds you ain't gonna be too happy with us.
Thanks.
I was tempted to buy a GS11 for 390 with the binding in a sportcheck.
More interesting is the P40, P50 from Cupolos (nevermind), but I see they have an "energyrail". Do I need a special binding for these? Same question for the GS race stock salomon.
post #21 of 26
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
Thanks.
I was tempted to buy a GS11 for 390 with the binding in a sportcheck.
More interesting is the P40, P50 from Cupolos (nevermind), but I see they have an "energyrail". Do I need a special binding for these? Same question for the GS race stock salomon.
The Energyrail Volkl require Marker bindings from that era, I think the Titanium's should work.

The GS Race stock is a flat ski, any binding should work, but verify this with the "interesting" people at Cupolo.

Cheers,

Michael
post #22 of 26
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..., I am in Canada, so although liability is a concern, it is not as bad as it is in the US. ...
If they're not on the indemnification list no reputable shop in Canada will touch them.
post #23 of 26
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Originally Posted by HudsonHacker View Post
I appreciate the gesture, but I did find a pair of Markers from one of my friends the other day.

Paul
Marker and volkl have a relationship. You won't have a problem with them if the binding is current.
Good job in your research!
post #24 of 26
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If they're not on the indemnification list no reputable shop in Canada will touch them.
You're right about that. I talked to a guy at a shop over the weekend and he said that no one that knows what they are doing would touch them. It is possible that I may find a second rate shop that would mount them, but I wouldn't trust the result. I'll put on my buddy's extra Markers, they are only 2 years old, so no issue.
post #25 of 26
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Just wanted to update on the P40 Rcs I bought. First off, I did buy them from Cupolo's, took a while to ship (4 weeks), but got two pairs for $45 (shipped) as they had an online sale. Service wasn't great, but at that price what can you expect.

On to the skis...I got them out last night for the first time and they absolutely rock. A few things to mention:
1) These are not for an intermediate skier; an intermediate probably couldn't make these things carve. They could put you in the hospital
2) If you want a pair of skis that turn by themselves, these are not for you
3) If you are an advanced skier that likes working a ski and high speed cruising (and I do mean high speed) these things are incredible. Fastest pair of GS boards I have ever been on by far.

Now, the real strength of these skis is definitely high speed , big radius turns, but they will do short radius on a steep pitch very well. I was amazed at how versatile these things are edge to edge. Admittedly, they are a work out for the legs, but you definitely are controlling the skis, they are not controlling you. Only shortcoming I found was on a flat run with no speed; they are not real happy if you cannot load them up. Sort of like trying to ski with a 2 x 4 on your feet. That doesn't bother me though since I have my old K2s for skiing the green runs with my daughter.

If you are looking for a cheap experiment, these are worth looking at. Yes, they are older technology, but still have a carving profile. Yes, they require a lot of leg power and solid technique to get them to dance, but if you have the power and skills, these things are a great way to put a smile on your face and a burn in your thighs.
post #26 of 26
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Originally Posted by Arnoldtheskier View Post
And for 99.9% of the skiing population they will never,ever be able to enjoy,appreciate them.
Arnold, I do agree with you that 99.9% of the population couldn't enjoy these skis. Primarily because 99.9% of the population plain couldn't turn these things! Also, they would actually be very dangerous for an intermediate skier to be on steep pitch with, they simply fly!

That being said, I absolutely love them! Yes, I will buy a newer pair of skis for next season that are more updated with regards to technology for playing around, but I will be keeping the P40s for high speed cruising. Like I said in my original post, getting my kids into the sport with the best equipment for them to enjoy the sport with was my priority, so I dumped all my $$ into that. The P40s have been an excellent purchase for what I was looking for.
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