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Extreme carving skis?

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Thread Starter 
Hey guys, first post, nice site

So I ski in southern Wisconsin and we have some really nice machine made snow and some really short runs. I've honed my carving technique over the years and need to find some other extreme carving fanatics out there for ski advice. I've been using a fisher wc SL ski in 156cm (the first model with the web frequency tuning topskin...I forget the year, maybe 2000? 2001?) for the last several years and it's been fine but technology is (hopefully) improving and I want to enhance my carving experience. 200#, ex-junior and college ski racer, "semi-retired" PSIA ski instructor, precision is no problemo and power isn't too bad either.

Seems like "free carving" is a forgotten sport, most people are into back country booters and rails or the terrain park. Tried a rail once, let's just say it didn't agree with me :0 (ouch!) Went backcountry skiing in Idaho for 4 days last year and those runs were really awesome! All 16 of them I was thinking, "damn, where's the lift" for hours and "whoo hooo!" for seconds

So are there any carving maniacs out there? Or should I just move to Europe and try there <--joke! Thanks
post #2 of 20
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Well it had to be 2000 or 2001 because I found some video of some laid back turns with these skis! Dang, time is going by pretty fast, these tired old boards are 7 years old!

http://homepage.mac.com/fastskiguy/M...Theater12.html
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Originally Posted by Fastskiguy View Post
Hey guys, first post, nice site

...Tried a rail once, let's just say it didn't agree with me :0 (ouch!) Went backcountry skiing in Idaho for 4 days last year and those runs were really awesome! All 16 of them I was thinking, "damn, where's the lift" for hours and "whoo hooo!" for seconds

So are there any carving maniacs out there? Or should I just move to Europe and try there <--joke! Thanks
Welcome to Epic!

Had to LOL at your post! You must make friends fast .

Yes, We like to talk about carving turns as much as we like to talk about surfing (or smearing or...) the powder. I'll carve with the best of them (as long as they are in my age group).

Is carving a separate activity from simply skiing?

Cheers,

Michael
post #4 of 20
Yes, extreme carving is different from simply skiing.
post #5 of 20
So if you are looking for ski suggestions you need to just call it carving or arcing. The Extremecarving kind of infers hardboot snowboarding. Anyway, some great equipment out there for this like the Head Supershape, Atomic Metron B:5, Volkl Allstar. These skis are generally skied relatively short, have turn radius in the 14 to 18 meter range, handle high speed well and have very high torsional stability to let them hold very high edge angles. These also tend to be pretty pricey skis and are at the very top of the product lines.

Arc to arc carving is a major topic of discussion in the instructoinal forums. I posted a VIDEO and if you have a fast connection and a good sound system give it a try. Its just me chasing AE all over Heavenly.

What was your questions again? :
post #6 of 20
If by extreme carving you mean high angles and short radii, then I think Fischer still make some pretty good slaloms.
post #7 of 20
carving isnt dead try a pr of p60s or racetigers smooth
post #8 of 20
My suggestion would be a pair of race stock slaloms with a good plate on them. My Head i.SL-RD's are awesome carvers, with a really good VIST plate that dampens it really well, but since it's actually two separate pieces, still allows for a good even flex. I especially like it since its one of the few race stock slaloms with a 161 length, which is great if you want something longer than the women's one, but don't want full men's FIS specs.

Pretty much any race stock slalom will serve you well. I've only skied the Heads, but I've heard esp good things about the Nordica SLR, and Atomics are always a favourite of many.
post #9 of 20
If you match the fischers ski to ski with a new pair of Atomic SL 9s
you will find they have the same dimensions, though they say they are
different. The new Atomic at 160 cm is a 10 Diameter turning radius, even if it doesn't
say it. You should ask for an Atomic Racing heel lift kit for some heel lift for
the flat Atomic binding,it has no ramp angle. The ski will ski great.
post #10 of 20
I would suggest a 162cm Metron B5.

(GASP!!!)
post #11 of 20
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I would suggest a 162cm Metron B5.

(GASP!!!)
That must have been typed with gritted teeth
post #12 of 20
I lived in Michigan for a time, know the kind of hills you're on. If by extreme, you mean, "how do I make a small icy hill into a big exciting one," agree with Ghost - Fischer carvers, from RX8 through the SC, will give you the most feedback, biggest pop, and craziest edge angles. Just make me whoop, even on 800 feet of vertical. Head Supershapes also seems popular around here, if you like a beefier feel. My only concern about Atomics is that they seem like overkill for midwestern slopes.
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I would suggest a 162cm Metron B5.

(GASP!!!)
I will raise your M:B5 with an Elan Stealth.:
post #14 of 20
Do you have a 2nd pair?
post #15 of 20
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Do you have a 2nd pair?
One pair was enough
post #16 of 20
Just out of interest, what do you pay for the Metron M11 B5's in the states. In the UK they retail at about £400 with bindings which is approx' $750.
post #17 of 20
Yeah - extremecarving on skis definitely can't compare to snowboard extremecarving as can be seen on www.extremecarving.com --> have a look at the video section. On skis I wouldn't go smaller than say 80-90mm midweight sadwich construction with two titanal layers for torsional stiffness, no bigger radius than say 13-15m, no longer than 170cm, then add a high (maybe even FIS illegal plate like those huge Hangl lifters) and couple it with a Plug racing boot. Uh- might be a bit difficult to get such a ski in the states. This setup should yield you reasonable edge angles before bootout. But as well in Europe extremecarving on skis is declining and not seen often anymore. I prefer extremecarving on snowboard only, on skis I stick to racecarving technique.
post #18 of 20
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I prefer extremecarving on snowboard only, on skis I stick to racecarving technique.
Interesting sentence. Where do you see the differences?
post #19 of 20
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Interesting sentence. Where do you see the differences?
These are the similarities:
Mainly Bending the upper body or not as well as Push/Pull vs Pull/Push. For sure there are far more differences but they are not similar on skis and snowboard whereas those two technique differences can be attributed to raceski and racesnowobard (Pull/Push and Bending into the turn center with the upper body) vs extremecarve (Push/Pull and not bending). The third major difference on a snowboard being rotation vs counterrotation is changing in racesnowboarding every few years and not at all as important/exagerated on skis

This is different in extremecarving:
On a snowboard you can get way lower, at higher speeds while still resting stable. On skis your boots will soon get into your way and ideally you would have to ski on the inside ski only to get really low. I assume you can't angle your skis to much more than 65°-70° to the snow while you can put your snowboard at 80-85° to the snow. Gravitational forces are much higher on a snowboard too (only referring to extremecarving - not race technique). On skis I allways get the feeling that I have as much weight on my body as on my skis which slows down a lot. On a snowboard while practically lying flat I still seem to have nearly all weight on my board.
I must say that on my snowboard I actually have the boots not sticking over a single mm over the edge, on skis they stick over at 112mm boot MINUS ski width. Thats one main difference. For snowboarding the SWOARD is my favourite board, however I only tried it once and still save for it, the board just makes extremecarving so much easier.

Uh I still love about skiing that it is way more economical. No broken bindings, my clothes stay in one piece ....
post #20 of 20
Fischer RX-8 for short turns, RX-9 for longer turns (pick which one you like best). I use RX-8 on my local groomed-hardpack hill, and they are sensational -- very high-energy athletic ski that holds on almost any hard surface. I am on 180cm RX-8s, and am 190lb/6'1". If you like to carve hard, these are great skis.
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