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Lift line chislers

post #1 of 43
Thread Starter 
O.K. so this is at least half the ski areas fault for not having a better system for dealing with crowds at the bottom of a lift but! Its a powder day, and you are waiting for the lift to open and there is a line up, why do some a$$holes (99% are locals) feel they are more deserving/important than the rest of us who were there first. They sidle up to the edge of the crowd and push in front. When you call B.S. they get all huffy like its your fault or you have a problem. Are people just more rude, or too stupid to relize that a line is just that and their position should be in back.
Whooooo! I feel much better
post #2 of 43
And just who are you to question THE CHOSEN ONES? You should know that THEY are just born EXTRA SPECIAL.

Anyhoo ....... that's what I usually ask them with extreme sarcasm. A well planted pole works sometimes when it comes to halting their progress.

When I am out of uniform I can become a line cutters nightmare.
post #3 of 43
Every skier must ask himself: Are freshies worth making an ass out of yourself? :
post #4 of 43
Miles

Must you ask such hard questions?

Oz
post #5 of 43
BSR, they never get huffy when i challenge them, on the other hand, the two guys I ski with and i combine to about 700 pounds and 18' 7" tall, so maybe they think better of it. Or it could be we are too busy chislin' ourselves to notice their response!
post #6 of 43
One of the advantanges of being old enough to be someones mother, ( if they are 24 or younger) is that a well placed ski pole and the old evil eye will ususally do the trick.
"you weren't really thinking of cutting in front on me, were you?"

Irulan
post #7 of 43
BSR; please let me know which areas the locals have this attitude at, and I will be sure to avoid them. I have usually found the locals at most hills to be quite polite.

The biggest offenders I have come across are those from overseas, where not only line crashing is the norm, but tromping on your skis as well. I understand this is standard lift line procedure some places, so you can't really blame people for their ignorance of local customs. If you say something, they can become quite offended, as they can't see they've done anything wrong... they just think WE'RE being ignorant jerks. Still, its annoying, and people should make an effort to learn a little about where they're travelling to before becoming poor ambassadors.
post #8 of 43
Yo BSR -

I know what you are talking about in this area. Powder days bring out some of the worst crowd in these parts. I was riding up a chair at Bridger a couple weeks ago when it was sunny, great packed conditions & no crowd and one of the legendary locals confessed to me that anymore he'd take the lack of crowds over powder because of what a zoo things become.

Because of that behavior & the inane lines I skied Big Sky today even though I have a pass at Bridger. Only problem with lines was at the tram which I'm sure is where you were refering to.

By the way, why was Shedhorn so late opening?
post #9 of 43
Saw this at Pomerelle. The A-hole busts the line with his kids, a skier in his mid-fifties calls him on it and the a-hole chose to mouth off and started making threats. He promptly had about a dozen of us expressing our desire to accommodate him. His poor wife and kids were ready to go hide in the car.

The cherry on this was Big Man was proudly wearing his Pebble Creek Ski Team Jacket.
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post #10 of 43
Try ski-ing in Austria. You need to be agile not to be stuck at the back of the line for good.

In fact, the daily struggle with South West Trains is good practice.
post #11 of 43
Lines, what are lines?

Went night skiing on Saturday night w/my buddy-- according to the liftee, there were only eight freakin' people skiing off the summit chair. And fresh powder to boot!

I miss those days of 45 minute lines, -20 temperatures, and skiing the blue ice in New England. Brrrrrr.... Not!

Cheers!
post #12 of 43
P.S. I know another place you can put your ski pole when someone cuts in front of you, up their..... :
post #13 of 43
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>They sidle up to the edge of the crowd and push in front. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

AND WHAT PART OF THIS DO YOU FIND UNUSUAL?
Seems like the norm for every place I have ever been to.
post #14 of 43
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JR:

The biggest offenders I have come across are those from overseas, where not only line crashing is the norm, but tromping on your skis as well. I understand this is standard lift line procedure some places
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Absolutely. The years I spent in Switzerland were actually some of the most frustrating ski years I've had. I can squeeze and chisle with the best of 'em but not when I'm trying to run interference for a 6 six old and an 8 year old. Couldn't believe the time I managed to get two kids in the gondola, all the skis in the bin on the outside to find two others had taken their skis inside the cabin with my kids so there was no place for me to sit. Talk about your "ugly American" (me and my attitude).

Most places that I've skied long enough to detect a pattern the few "locals" who tried these games didn't last that long. A few words to the managenment from season pass holders and management realized who was paying the bills.

Now if MtB could figure out how to run a "corral"...
post #15 of 43
I used to get pretty wound up when queue jumpers were at work but in the end I have found that only results in stress and a loss of my own enjoyment of the day.

Even if I am in the right, a heated discussion with one of these low lifes leaves me wondering why this is going down. We are all in a fantastic place doing something we all love and yet we still find something to stress over - not worth it!!

If they want it that bad then they can have it and karma can do the rest. [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #16 of 43
I just returned from Whistler. Last week there was a pretty good dump and when they opened the Peak Chair there was some heavy line cutting going on. It was about 90% knuckle draggers and it didn't stop until people started yelling at them. The worst part was that most of them were gapers and were leaving bomb craters all over the hill.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ February 25, 2002 10:35 AM: Message edited 1 time, by Lucky ]</font>
post #17 of 43
I Live in Germany so everyone chisels here. And I deal with it by chiseling too. I really see nothing wrong with working your way up a line. We call it snaking and its mostly locals that do it but when the tourists stand idley in line like cattle`/subway riders I just cant sit in line behind em. Some of the more timid will not move while they let 10+ people by. Got to snake, just dont act like you deserve to be in front of anybody, get there.
post #18 of 43
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GAPer:
I Live in Germany so everyone chisels here. And I deal with it by chiseling too.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've certainly played the game too. It was simply hard to take when trying to make it through with two small children.

There was the day at Verbier when a large crowd was trying to merge into a narrow queue. A guy came up on the downhill, outside edge and decided he could work his way around me. His wife was giving him hell in french and I kept speaking english with my wife to not alert him to the fact I knew everything that was going on...but the ski tip kept edging up even with my boot, then a little in front of the boot, then half way to my tip. When he was just about to claim victory I turned to my wife and the sublte hip check (I didn't even feal it) knocked him off balance and off his narrow perch, under the side of the "corral" and about ten meters down the hill. I actually had cheers from the crowd...
post #19 of 43
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GAPer:
I Live in Germany so everyone chisels here. And I deal with it by chiseling too. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Indeed. Here in europe you have only two options. Getting mad while everybode chisels past you or do some chiselling yourself. And I since i don't ski with the topskins of my ski's i chisel with the best of them [img]smile.gif[/img]. I've found that things have improved since they discovered the single's line here in europe. When you ski alone you get a lot faster to the top of the hill. And when i'm skiing with a group i don't mind the waiting so much.
post #20 of 43
I was gonna' rag on what GAPer said,

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GAPer:
We call it snaking and its mostly locals that do it but when the tourists stand idley in line like cattle`/subway riders I just cant sit in line behind em. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

but now I realize it may be best to follow the advice of a famous quote:

"When in Rome, do as the Romans do"

which means cut when in Europe.

In N. America, follow the queue like everybody else!

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ February 25, 2002 11:12 AM: Message edited 1 time, by Jaws ]</font>
post #21 of 43
Queuing? in Italy?
IMPOSSIBLE.

I'd LOVE to see an orderly queue of people waiting their turn to pass the gates...or to board the gondola!

And beleive me, I find queues in places like France, Austria and Germany, quite
splendid!

Everything is relative.
post #22 of 43
While in Whistler, the attempts at cutting I saw WERE the Boarders.
Also, since it's going there...

In line on Blackcomb, after a polite misundertsanding with some fine, quite honorable Brits, they said, "Hey, you think this is a problem, try queing up with Italians and Germans. That's when it gets 'interesting'."

Just a quote.
post #23 of 43
Line jumpers are the lowest forms of life and should be treated as such. :

I often find myself leaving a small opening just to see if anyone has the sack to try, then jump them with a verbal assault. No one, as yet, has wanted to make the switch to getting physical. . .
post #24 of 43
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PowderJunkie:
I've certainly played the game too. It was simply hard to take when trying to make it through with two small children.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The worst pushers in are the kids here (Austria). Even if you put your pole and skis across they will just duck under your arm and run over your skis - little s#*&?.

People just don't queue the same in central Europe - not for the tube, not in a shop, not at the bar and not in the the lift line. Some would argue it's more efficient because the slow ones get left behind.

DB

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ February 25, 2002 12:19 PM: Message edited 1 time, by DangerousBrian ]</font>
post #25 of 43
A calm look and a stern...
"you're f***ing kidding me, get the hell back there"

usually works.
post #26 of 43
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Texasteach:
Line jumpers are the lowest forms of life and should be treated as such. :

I often find myself leaving a small opening just to see if anyone has the sack to try, then jump them with a verbal assault. No one, as yet, has wanted to make the switch to getting physical. . .
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I like your attitude. Ski Europe. Hope you've paid up your health insurance. [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #27 of 43
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Texasteach:
Line jumpers are the lowest forms of life and should be treated as such. :
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey Tex, I like your attitude. "Hang 'em High"
post #28 of 43
I notice in Whistler that it tends to be boarders and some others that seem at home with the idea of screwing others for their own convenience. Personally I favor giving the resort employees the right to snatch passes from anyone they deem to be deserving of it. NO refund. I often see liftees intimidated by people when trouble occurs and so they just look the other way.
Has anyone else noticed how boarders sometimes intentionally delay getting into gondolas so as to "reserve" it for just their small group? I've seen em refuse to board until the last second therebye blocking entrance to all others. I've even had a liftee give me crap for I suppose not lifting or pushing em all into the gondola.
skidoc
post #29 of 43
skidoc, unless you want to "partake", you should be glad they do that.
post #30 of 43
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by milesb:
skidoc, unless you want to "partake", you should be glad they do that.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly, I jumped into a gondola and Snowbasin with some boarders who looked upset that I was in there with them. Didn't partake, however, thought that run seemed really long back down.
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