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Looking for a groomer ripper

post #1 of 25
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I’m a 5’11” 195lb, Level 8 skier looking for a ice/hardpack, groomer ripper. Currently I have Legend 8000's as my everyday ski.

What I’m looking for is a ski to use on those days where the Dyna’s just don’t have it in them. That means it may not see a whole lot of use (5-10 days?) and I don’t want to spend a fortune on them. I ski mostly east coast (with yearly trips out to Fernie and probably going to Chamonix this year).

Looking for a ski that’s 30-40% long turn, 40% medium turns and able to pound out some short slalom turns when I want to. I won’t use these off piste. I don’t want a full blown race ski though as I’m more of an ez-expert type. Rip it when I want to (and I like to rip it) but don’t want to have to be all over the skis to make them work all the time and don’t want to get drop kicked into next week when I screw up a turn.

So what’s a good ski to make my one ski quiver a multi -one? Like I said, not too expensive, so last years models are more than fine!
post #2 of 25

I'd say something like...

...a short Atomic GS 11M, which you can probably pick up pretty cheap because they're last years. Get the non-FIS legal ski, which has a 19 meter sidecut. What's short? Dunno for you, but a data point is that I used a 180 cm. for Masters racing, and I'm 5'8", 170 lbs. "Short" for me would be a 170.
post #3 of 25
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Originally Posted by Mithras View Post
I’m a 5’11” 195lb, Level 8 skier looking for a ice/hardpack, groomer ripper... Looking for a ski that’s 30-40% long turn, 40% medium turns and able to pound out some short slalom turns when I want to...I don’t want a full blown race ski though as I’m more of an ez-expert type. Rip it when I want to (and I like to rip it) but don’t want to have to be all over the skis to make them work all the time and don’t want to get drop kicked into next week when I screw up a turn.

So what’s a good ski to make my one ski quiver a multi -one? Like I said, not too expensive, so last years models are more than fine!
Fischer Worldcup RC. Race construction with an easier to use "cheater" sidecut.

http://www.ski-depot.com/miva/mercha...roduct_Count=1

This is a great ski for what you describe, see this review: http://forums.epicski.com/showthread...light=Worldcup

Cheers,

Michael
post #4 of 25
Volkl Superspeeds might work for you. Cheater GS ski. Nice long/med turners, great grip. I'm level 8, 6'1", 170 lbs. & have 'em in 175, so at your weight 175s would be pretty user friendly flexwise. You can find them on ebay for $300-350 w/bindings. If you're really strong you could get 182s, but I don't think you'd need them.
post #5 of 25
Another good choice - Elan Ripstick. Fair amount of reviews here on epicski; I liked em a lot in a quick demo but others have gone into greater detail. Last years' model available at $399, on the same website Michael linked to:

http://www.ski-depot.com/miva/mercha...oduct_Count=14
post #6 of 25

Changed my mind...

...this is what you need:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Atomic-DH-Race-S...QQcmdZViewItem

Or this:


http://cgi.ebay.com/HEXCEL-SPLITTAIL...QQcmdZViewItem


Just kidding! Joke, ha ha!
post #7 of 25
Another idea might be a "long" version of a slalom ski. If you go a little longer than you might otherwise, you'll have a bit bigger turn radius but still have a ski that would crank out turns when you honk on it.

It's just one suggestion, but I think the Head SuperShape is perfect for what you describe. I weigh the same as you and ski it in a 175. It'll do very nice long turns but will really perform if I want to shorten the radius.

Just a thought (and I'm a Head rep, so take that into account).

Good luck in the search.
post #8 of 25
The Fischer World Cup RC is a great choice...also the Fischer RX 9 is very similar in performance. I'm your same size and own the RC in a 185cm they have amazing edgehold on hard snow. The Atomic GS11 is also a good choice and, to me, seem to be a bit more forgiving than the Fischers so that may fit your "ez expert" description.
post #9 of 25
I concur with Bob Peters, the Supershape is very good, very versatile ski for harder conditions. I demoed it on a hard day this past season and fell in love right away. Likes to rail turns of all shapes and doesn't get chattery at high speeds. I too, weigh 195# and I am a level 9.
post #10 of 25
Can you go longer on a slalom ski? I thought of doing the same thing, but thought that the longer skis were designed for heavier skiers.
post #11 of 25
I own a '05 Dynastar skicross 10 which I love for the program you've just described. Discontinued, in France anyway, and replaced by a skicross 11 that should be even better.
Very dynamic ski (lot of rebound at the end of the turn, but in a friendly and fun way. Maybe thanks to the ARS 'spring' plate), great edgehold, very stable and still tolerant (more than a Volkl superspeed or a race ski): uber-fun ! Well built too. Mine is 186 cm, so it won't carve super short turn though.
post #12 of 25
You should look at the Head 1100 xrc sandwich version, plenty hefty and 170 would probably be enough. Truly bomber stability on the groomed.
post #13 of 25
A demo list for you....
Fischer WC RC.
Any GS race ski.
Atomic SX11 or 12
Head supershape speed
Volkl Superspeed
Head XRC1200 or 1400 chip or old 1100.
post #14 of 25
Stockli SC .... ice .... is nice ...
post #15 of 25
What about the Volkl 5*
post #16 of 25
My money is on the Stockli Laser Cross Pro. Prefer it over the SC.
post #17 of 25
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Originally Posted by moguljunkie View Post

Can you go longer on a slalom ski?

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This is America. You can do anything you want.

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Originally Posted by moguljunkie View Post
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I thought of doing the same thing, but thought that the longer skis were designed for heavier skiers...
Honestly, there's nothing wrong at all with skiing a slalom ski in a longer length. What you potentially "give up" is the really quick, short, hyper-carved turn. What you might gain is more versatility around the mountain and a bit less quirkiness at higher speeds. But you still have a ski that will turn quickly if you need it, it just might like a little more speed and a little higher angles to "git 'r done".

This is definitely a situation where being able to demo is a huge plus. For me on my mountain and for what I want those skis for, the "longer" length is perfect.

Again, it's just a thought. The idea has worked for me and for others.
post #18 of 25
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Originally Posted by SkiRacer55 View Post
...a short Atomic GS 11M, which you can probably pick up pretty cheap because they're last years. Get the non-FIS legal ski, which has a 19 meter sidecut. What's short? Dunno for you, but a data point is that I used a 180 cm. for Masters racing, and I'm 5'8", 170 lbs. "Short" for me would be a 170.
Wow. I was thinking the GS11M also as I was reading the original post..very nimble, easily bent into a short turn, yet is happiest in long turns and very forgiving. I thought it came in a 176(the 2004-2006 model). I also hear the LT11 is similar.
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Originally Posted by ghost
Fischer WC RC.
Any GS race ski.
Atomic SX11 or 12
Head supershape speed
Volkl Superspeed
Head XRC1200 or 1400 chip or old 1100
He's level 8 and wants an ez-expert ski and doesn't want to get drop kicked. how about the Atomic SX10 instead. And the Fischer will drop kick him into a new dimension. I'm not familiar with the others enough to comment.
post #19 of 25
Volkl Allstar. Demo and you will buy it. Do a search here and check out the happy purchasers of this ski.
A 175 will work fine for you. Tenacious grip on hard surfaces. !5.9m radius 116/70 /101
post #20 of 25
I'm on Dynastar Speed Course, in a 178 (6'2", 195 lb, aggressive expert). It's a great ski for what you describe you are looking for. It's not a full out race ski. It's in between a SL and a GS. It does well in a NASTAR type race course and ripping around on hard pack. It's agot a 17M radius in the 172 and 178cm lengths, 112-67-98. There is a current year version of it, but it's been around for a few years and they changed the topsheet this year, so you might be able to find a pair from last year for cheap.

http://www.dynastar.com/product.php?...nt=1&acturub=1
post #21 of 25
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Originally Posted by JohnH View Post
I'm on Dynastar Speed Course, in a 178 (6'2", 195 lb, aggressive expert). It's a great ski for what you describe you are looking for. It's not a full out race ski. It's in between a SL and a GS. It does well in a NASTAR type race course and ripping around on hard pack. It's agot a 17M radius in the 172 and 178cm lengths, 112-67-98. There is a current year version of it, but it's been around for a few years and they changed the topsheet this year, so you might be able to find a pair from last year for cheap.

http://www.dynastar.com/product.php?...nt=1&acturub=1
If I'm not mistaken last year Skicross 11 is the same ski, but for a different top sheet and a less 'racy' plate.
post #22 of 25
Atomic SX10, SX 11 or SX12 --all rippers with mondo edge grip ---they simply grip it and rip it all day long
post #23 of 25
Nordica Speedmachine mach3 power in 170cm
post #24 of 25
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Originally Posted by philippeR View Post
If I'm not mistaken last year Skicross 11 is the same ski, but for a different top sheet and a less 'racy' plate.
Sidecut dimentions are the same, but the Cross skis have "Autodrive" sidewalls. Basically cap construction forward of the toe with sidewalls fromthe toe back. The Speed series of skis are full length sidewalls. Therefore, they'll be torsionally stiffer, a little slower to initiate, but rail on the ice and eastern hardpack better.

I skied the SC10s for 3 years (2 sets of them) and loved them. They were definitely a bit more versitile in sloppier conditions than the Course, but from the OPs OP, it sounds like he's looking for something to push harder. The caveat to that, is that the Ski Cross will do better on really short turns because of the cap construction up front.
post #25 of 25
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Originally Posted by JohnH View Post
Sidecut dimentions are the same, but the Cross skis have "Autodrive" sidewalls. Basically cap construction forward of the toe with sidewalls fromthe toe back. The Speed series of skis are full length sidewalls. Therefore, they'll be torsionally stiffer, a little slower to initiate, but rail on the ice and eastern hardpack better.

I skied the SC10s for 3 years (2 sets of them) and loved them. They were definitely a bit more versitile in sloppier conditions than the Course, but from the OPs OP, it sounds like he's looking for something to push harder. The caveat to that, is that the Ski Cross will do better on really short turns because of the cap construction up front.
You're right about the SC10.
But I think last year's SC11 (green ski) was a full length sidewalls, same dimension as the 'cheater GS' Course 67, with an ARS plate.
The SC Pro was based, so Dynastar claimed, on the Course Comp ski (FIS legal radius), with the same ARS plate.
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