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post #91 of 133
9/26/07 at 5:04pm
I don't know how anyone can zipper bumps with any kind of ski with a deep sidecut. I used to be huge into moguls, but that was back in the "straight ski" days. I used primarily slalom racing skis like Rossi 7S's and Dynastar Coupe SL's, but compared to modern racing skis those skis had zero sidecut.
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post #92 of 133
9/26/07 at 5:12pm
When I broke my wrist I tried skiing without poles. It felt odd at first, but after a few runs I was used to it. As I got a few more days of sking without poles, there was a new-found temptation to reach out and scrape the snow with an open hand (not on the day of the break, then I had a huge temptation to keep my hand elevated in front of my). I also found myself swinging my arms from side to side when I made tight turns in series like some dancer in a weird choreographed dance.
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post #93 of 133
9/26/07 at 5:36pm
The last time I skied without poles was because I broke one. I hooked a tree limb submerged under powder, across the tips of my skis. I couldn't shake it off. I had to brake quickly (in thick trees) so I planted a pole hard. The pole hand grip hit me in the quad. (snap!) and both ski tips hit a tree.

Anyway its hard to "skate" out of the trees. I was glad I had a pole to slow down with and to help push out of the woods. I had a bruise the size of my quad.

I guess if you are learning to shift your weight and keep your body aligned loosing the poles would be good.

I have skied all kinds of skis in the bumps. Including my GS:11's. Most of the bump specific skis are still straight or very small sidecut.

One of my old school favorite straight skis for moguls was a 203 Head SL Race. (Autographed by Steve Mahre)

I hear the Contact 11 is a decent bump ski. Thats the one I have my eye on. Anyone ski the Contact 11 in bumps?
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post #94 of 133
9/26/07 at 5:45pm
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Originally Posted by Jer View Post
I don't know how anyone can zipper bumps with any kind of ski with a deep sidecut. I used to be huge into moguls, but that was back in the "straight ski" days. I used primarily slalom racing skis like Rossi 7S's and Dynastar Coupe SL's, but compared to modern racing skis those skis had zero sidecut.
Yesterday's slalom skis weren't much different from the mogul specific skis marketed. A little softer.

I ski a midfat most days because other than a mogul specific ski, they make the best bump skis. I still say the B2 from 2 years ago remains one of the best bump skis around.
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post #95 of 133
9/26/07 at 8:34pm
Re poles: a fun exercise to try in bumps is just to plant the pole on the top of the bump you want to turn around--try to do it soon enough that you are reaching somewhat downhill to do this. Just think about the pole plants and let everything else take care of itself--you may be amazed at the extent to which you can stay close to the fall line. (CWCID--I think I may have gotten this from one of Lito's books).
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post #96 of 133
9/26/07 at 9:38pm
I much prefer my new-fangled 165 WC SCs to my trusty old 208 SGs in moguls.
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post #97 of 133
9/26/07 at 10:18pm

No Need To Fear The Big, The Knarly, The Bumps!

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Originally Posted by Richie-Rich View Post
I cannot for the life of me learn or even want to learn to ski moguls. I consider myself to be a pretty good skier, I can take just about any trail in resonably good form and at high speeds, but moguls stop me in my tracks. It looks dangerous, seems like too much work, and most of all I cant see myself going fast doing them. In my mind I envision hyperflexing my knees and good-bye season and hello lifetime of pain...from one skier to the next what does this all mean? Can I ever call myself an advanced skier without mastering the moguls?

For that matter, I had one true deep, magazine cover quality, powder day in my life and I hated that as well and found myself in the back seat and tired as all hell.
Richie,

You can ski in the moguls. You just need to know how to approach the learning curve. I am surprised no one has suggested SVMM. Using our teaching system, to learn mogul skiing, will get you where you want to be in a sensitive and caring way. We always start skiers out with drills on the groomers. Then we give them tips that allow them to ski low angle slopes with small moguls. Our approach will teach you to do this going very slowly, and you will be able to learn at your pace. Then, you can take it to the steeper moguls. No need to fear the bumps. You know Richie, a lot of folks here at Epic may think (due totally to my posts) the SVMM system is just for the bumps. It actually works all over the mountain. Finally, let me say that to be a well-rounded skier you must ski everywhere, including the bumps. The technique is basically the same in all conditions, with subtle variations. Our system can help you ski bumps for a lifetime.

Signed,
Ex-Pro Mogul Competitor, Shipps
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post #98 of 133
9/26/07 at 10:24pm
Well if you like going fast, I can see how you wouldn't have much use for moguls. If you ski moguls fast you get a very rough ride or you don't know what "fast" means.
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post #99 of 133
9/26/07 at 10:39pm
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Shipps, I am not so lucky as to have you located on the East coast am I?
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post #100 of 133
9/26/07 at 10:58pm
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Originally Posted by shipps View Post
Richie,

ski low angle slopes with small moguls....... Then, you can take it to the steeper moguls.
Yep, that's how I taught myself how to ski moguls too. Baby steps first. It was a somewhat awkward process. People still make fun of me for the countless laps I ran on an intermediate bump run under the lift at Snowbowl. They also are stunned at how vastly improved I've become in such a short period.

I knew when I saw Snowbowl, that to ski it, I'd needed to finally learn how to ski moguls. I'd always sucked at moguls, and stuck to rippin' lots of turns on groomers, because that was what I knew how to do. I put in the work, building up my body and skills slowly, and by the end of the season, I was competant to ski the bowls, and the hairy mingling of moguls and poorly covered logs, rocks, and hummocks of grass. Skiing moguls teaches one to turn on a dime.

It is a worthy pursuit which will serve you well in all of your other skiing.
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post #101 of 133
9/26/07 at 11:25pm
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Originally Posted by Jer View Post
I don't know how anyone can zipper bumps with any kind of ski with a deep sidecut.
Actually, the only zipperline I laid down last season was with on a demo pair of Volkl Tigershark 12' PowerSwitch (thanks, SierraJim). The sidecut was fine, but the combination of not doing them much anymore and the fact that the ski weighed so damned much left me winded at the bottom.

Like Ty, growing up in the East, I loved bumps. Part of it was probably that I weighed a good 60-80 pounds less than I do now, at the same height -- less impact on the knees. Part of it was being in the East, where if you wanted to challenge yourself and find something reminiscent of snow, rather than ice, you were either in the trees or in the moguls.

Now that I ski in the Sierra, I like soft bumps for the snow, and hard bumps for a change of pace, particularly when it hasn't snowed in a while and feels more like the East. But I certainly don't seek them out. More often, I end up in them by default, because I'm trying to avoid the crowds... and moguls tend to keep crowds at bay.
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post #102 of 133
9/27/07 at 7:17am
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Originally Posted by shipps View Post
I am surprised no one has suggested SVMM.
What's SVMM? I'd like to get better at moguls. I think you have to in order to ski the whole mountain. I'm ok at the intermediate moguls with some snow on them, but really steep, huge, or ice rocks kick my butt.
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post #103 of 133
9/27/07 at 7:19am
Never mind. I found it.

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=58421

Search tool is a wonderful thing. I should use it sometime.
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post #104 of 133
9/28/07 at 3:38pm
For that matter, I had one true deep, magazine cover quality, powder day in my life and I hated that as well and found myself in the back seat and tired as all hell.[/quote]
Wow.That is really a sad statement . You really owe yourself amonth of skiing somewhere in the west midwinter
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post #105 of 133
9/28/07 at 9:16pm
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For that matter, I had one true deep, magazine cover quality, powder day in my life and I hated that as well and found myself in the back seat and tired as all hell.
Wow.That is really a sad statement . You really owe yourself amonth of skiing somewhere in the west midwinter[/quote]

Thats similar to the manager of the ticekt sales said when I asked him for a rain-check.
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post #106 of 133
9/29/07 at 6:55am

I Luv those bumps

This 43 yr old ski bum still loves them bumps:

Here is a video of the fine line The Mammoth Mogul Team and many others work on here at Mammoth. Nothing like pounding a good line!
http://www.mammoth-snowman.com/mammo...in-moguls.html
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post #107 of 133
9/29/07 at 10:27am
I haven't read the whole thread but just for the record.

I too hate moguls. What a perfectly good waste of good skiing area. I say death to all moguls that's what winch cats are for.

The only good mogul is a 40 cm fresh pow covered mogul.
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post #108 of 133
9/29/07 at 11:08am
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Originally Posted by mammothsnowman View Post
This 43 yr old ski bum still loves them bumps:

Here is a video of the fine line The Mammoth Mogul Team and many others work on here at Mammoth. Nothing like pounding a good line!
http://www.mammoth-snowman.com/mammo...in-moguls.html
You guys haul some a$$ on those moguls....good job!
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post #109 of 133
9/29/07 at 11:38am
I'm really looking forward to Mammoth this Jan. Unless my link isn't directing me to the right video, I'd call this chopped up powder!
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post #110 of 133
9/30/07 at 7:01am
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Originally Posted by Johnnys Zoo View Post
I'm really looking forward to Mammoth this Jan. Unless my link isn't directing me to the right video, I'd call this chopped up powder!
75 degrees out that day and it was the last weekend in May. It was all slush bumps son.
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post #111 of 133
9/30/07 at 10:27am
This is a really cool video for a couple of reasons. As the caption notes, they wanted good bumps so they made their own, but only one line wide.
In some of the long shots you can see the line all the way up the hill because it is a different color (white) from the surrounding area (gray).

You also get to see a bunch of different good skiers, with several different styles, in the same terrain. Near the end there is even a monoskier.

Thanks for the link!
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post #112 of 133
9/30/07 at 11:40am
Thanks for the link to the vids. I love the coaching in the second vid....Get it!
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post #113 of 133
9/30/07 at 12:05pm
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Originally Posted by Johnnys Zoo View Post
I'm really looking forward to Mammoth this Jan. Unless my link isn't directing me to the right video, I'd call this chopped up powder!
I see bumps, not big bumps, not icy bumps, not nasty bumps, but bumps never the less.
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post #114 of 133
10/3/07 at 12:39am
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Originally Posted by Richie-Rich View Post
Can I ever call myself an advanced skier without mastering the moguls?
i think you should call yourself whatever you believe you are

bumps will flesh out your weaknesses quicker than trying a line on the looker at the bar

but just like strikin up a good conversation with a beautiful woman ...so too is it with bump skiing ...balance and fluidity with a touch of attitude
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post #115 of 133
10/3/07 at 2:11am
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Originally Posted by eNick View Post
bumps will flesh out your weaknesses quicker than trying a line on the looker at the bar

but just like strikin up a good conversation with a beautiful woman ...so too is it with bump skiing ...balance and fluidity with a touch of attitude
Brilliant!!

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post #116 of 133
10/3/07 at 4:46am
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Originally Posted by volantaddict View Post
Skiing moguls teaches one to turn on a dime. It is a worthy pursuit which will serve you well in all of your other skiing.
Very well said.
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post #117 of 133
10/3/07 at 5:18am
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Originally Posted by mammothsnowman View Post
75 degrees out that day and it was the last weekend in May. It was all slush bumps son.
Ummm...Dad? I must have the wrong vid. From the list on the right I don't see the word moguls in any of the names.
Sorry, Its not showing up. I was looking at the wrong video.
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post #118 of 133
10/3/07 at 8:39am
[quote=volantaddict;768056]Yep, that's how I taught myself how to ski moguls too. Baby steps first. It was a somewhat awkward process. People still make fun of me for the countless laps I ran on an intermediate bump run under the lift at Snowbowl.

Ghosts Advice - control your speed


Ditto-Good advice. RichieRitch learn to control your speed anywhere and then in the bumps and the main obstackle will disappear, then its just practice and laps. I'm 65 and enjoy bump skiing.
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post #119 of 133
10/3/07 at 12:08pm
Here are a couple of things that helped me with the psych-out aspects of skiing bumps:

-- find a place where there are just a hint of bumps leading to a flat runout. Go straight over them, not turning at all, with only the natural amount of absorption. Helps your subconscious understand they aren't that big a deal.

-- ski a bump run that is way too hard. Not as a regular event. In fact, just once may be enough. Afterwards, the regular bumps look tame.
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post #120 of 133
10/3/07 at 12:23pm
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[quote=Pete No. Idaho;772094]
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Originally Posted by volantaddict View Post
Yep, that's how I taught myself how to ski moguls too. Baby steps first. It was a somewhat awkward process. People still make fun of me for the countless laps I ran on an intermediate bump run under the lift at Snowbowl.

Ghosts Advice - control your speed


Ditto-Good advice. RichieRitch learn to control your speed anywhere and then in the bumps and the main obstackle will disappear, then its just practice and laps. I'm 65 and enjoy bump skiing.
That is the big problem, controlling my speed. The few times that I have actually tried to tackle the bumps I find myself very quickly acclerating to uncomfortable speeds, which makes me stomp on the brakes, stiffen the body and tax my muscles to exhaustion. I know the trick to moguls is to make your legs work like shock absorbers, but once I start picking up speed I basically panic. (Ironic since all I want to ever do is go fast...but there is a time and place for everything )
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