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post #1 of 27
Thread Starter 
OK, I need a medium to plus (not overly wide toe box) due to foot bed work, wedges under bed to correct nasty pronation
Medium to narrow forefoot
low to moderate instep
narrow ankle
NARROW to Ouch calf.
Use, 70% gromed east coast snow, 30% will be trips out west, and piled up loose stuff here at home
NEUTRAL AS POSSIBLE, NON-ROTARY
Currently in Hot rods, top fuels but just too much volume. Flex is fine. (Nordica 115 FWIW)
Looking at:
Head RS96
Head 110 (not too sure)
Atomic Race Tec CW (Looks like best fit and performance)
Soli Falcon 10

Looking for a 310ish shell (10.5 street)
Educated thoughts, opinions and best places to buy. I will take to my fitter extrodinaire, Billy Kaplan.
post #2 of 27
Falcon is a candidate for sure. Totally anotomical fit, especially from the instep through the ankle and heel. Make sure you jump on it quick, they're already back ordered.
post #3 of 27
Thread Starter 
Thanks. I think I may go for the Atomic Race Techs in a 100.
post #4 of 27
Finndog--if you like the Nordica Hot Rods, other than the volume, you should try on a pair of Speed Machines or Dobermans.

Better yet, direct your detailed question to Jeff in this thread: 07 Boot questions for Jeff Bergeron/ Boot Fixation. Besides being one of the most highly regarded boot experts in the Rocky Mountains, Jeff does not sell boots, so he is not biased by brand loyalty or sales pressures. He is generously offering his expert boot advice for free in that thread. Take advantage of it!

Best regards,
Bob Barnes
post #5 of 27
Thread Starter 
Thanks Bob, believe it or not, the Dobbie has a high volume cuff and a bit wider than we're looking for. I am working with a highly regarding fitter now who also doesn't sell boots. I just sopke with PJ at race stock, he also put the Atomic at the top of the pack for my needs. Thanks. Any snow today???
post #6 of 27
Finn,

I would put it in your bootfitter hands. IIRG, he has an affiliation with a shop, meet him there and let him work his magic.
post #7 of 27
Thread Starter 
Not much of any affiliations really, plus no one around here sells plugs. I can't even find a shop that carries a Head RS96! Everyone nearby sells all intermediate stuff. If there is a shop that carries higher end stuff, please let me know.
post #8 of 27
Does anybody know where you can still find the Tecnica XT's steeply discounted. That boot might meet your requirements.
post #9 of 27
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
OK, I need a medium to plus (not overly wide toe box) due to foot bed work, wedges under bed to correct nasty pronation
Medium to narrow forefoot
low to moderate instep
narrow ankle
NARROW to Ouch calf.
Use, 70% gromed east coast snow, 30% will be trips out west, and piled up loose stuff here at home
NEUTRAL AS POSSIBLE, NON-ROTARY
Currently in Hot rods, top fuels but just too much volume. Flex is fine. (Nordica 115 FWIW)
Looking at:
Head RS96
Head 110 (not too sure)
Atomic Race Tec CW (Looks like best fit and performance)
Soli Falcon 10

Looking for a 310ish shell (10.5 street)
Educated thoughts, opinions and best places to buy. I will take to my fitter extrodinaire, Billy Kaplan.

I have a size 10 (271mm length) foot. D width forefoot (100mm width). I have a medium-low instep. I fit very well in narrower boots. I ordered the Atomic RT Ti. Things to like: very narrow ankle/heel area, lower instep, generous toe box.
If you have a 10.5 street size, why are you looking at a 310mm shell? Why don't you let your boot fitter decide which is the correct size for you? I ordered the Atomic 3 sizes smaller than my 10 street size. So i will have a 7 (25 mondo). The 310 shell = 27 mondo and it's only one size smaller than your street size. If you decide to get the Atomic, keep in mind that it runs big so you may want to downsize. Look at 304 (26 mondo) or even 294 (25 mondo). Try them on! The Atomic's forefoot and toebox is very generous for a plug but that is how it works (it allows metatarsal expansion and the skier is better balanced). If i remember correctly, the Atomic has pre-drilled holes in the cuff to reposition the ladder for a skinny lower leg. It's very easy to reposition the ladder. It can easily be done on the Dobie or Diablo. All you have to do is drill a hole and reposition the ladder.

The Nordica Dobermann WC 150 or Tecnica Diablo Race R work better with a narrower forefoot. They are different in the ankle/heel area compared to the Atomic. They also have a higher instep but if you downsize it should not be a problem especially if you have a custom footbed.

If your Top Fuels are size 9 i am not surprised that they are too roomy for you. They are probably the wrong size.

Jamie
post #10 of 27
Finn, are you talking about the RT CS or the TI? The CS has 4 mm more toe room, 99 versus 95, yet still keeps the snug heel, ankle, and cuff fit. I was just in trying the CS on. I need more room and flatter ramp so I went with the M110 this year. I'll probably have to make some 6th toe room but the step up in performance I'm looking forward too.

From what you say about your foot, the RT CS 130 is one you should try on. Later, RicB.

P.S. I'll second that they run big. I have downsized from a 27 to a 26.
post #11 of 27
Finn,

I have some extra Kryptons. Do you want to play with them?
post #12 of 27
Thread Starter 
My current book is a 315 which is OK in the length but it coudl be a touch shorter. My fitter felt a 310-312 would be perfect. I still want to be able to ski all day in these. I was looking specifically at the Ti 100, PJ over at Race Stock Sports and My Fitter spoke and this is what they are recommending. The size was a bit in the air, your right about the 27, its also a 315, the 26 drops to a 304, thats a lot of grinding though. I am seriously considering the Head RS96 as well. At 130 flex is better suited for me, the 150 is too much for all day skiing. the RS at a 27 is 310, which is ideal. Although its not a true plug, it has a thicker shell and would accomodate customization, its a pluga-bee. The Head is also more upright. Thoughts?
post #13 of 27
If your bootfitter says that a 310 is good for you, i don't think you have a size 10 street shoe.
Click on the link and measure your foot following the directions from the site. Tell us what your size is. Then look for the size which is 2 or 3 sizes smaller than your actual size. It's simple and effective. I measured my foot and it's 271mm length and 100mm width. This means that i have a size 10 D width foot. Measure your foot and tell us what the results are. http://www.boot.com/bsizcvt.htm#Measure
Don't forget to substract 5mm from each measurement. If you have a size 10.5 street shoe, you should have 275-278mm length.

Btw, both the Atomic RT Ti and CS are available in 130 flex.
Jamie
post #14 of 27
Thread Starter 
yes, that's the foot length but my current shell length is a 315, its a few mm too long. Using your own chart, the equiv is a 28.5 mondo. You don't use that number though. This is why most fitters only use the shell length due to the delta in manufacturers shell sizes compared to the mondo. For instance, Atomic 27 is 315, Head 27 is 310. Most people tend to use about 1-2 mondo's lower-in general.
Length of FootSize USUSMondoInchCmMenWomenUKEuropePoint 10½= 28.5 mondo All my shoes have been 10.5 since I was about 16, so I'm pretty sure of my shoe size.

I just bought the RS96's from Scott (Dawgcatching) in a 310, 27. Head corporate, Scott and my fitter all said this is the correct size....
post #15 of 27
So your shoe size is 10.5 (28.5) That is good to know. It means that the 27 you got is one size smaller than your street shoe. So it is the same size as your Hot Rods but the Heads have a shorter sole. If your bootfitter and the other guys think that you are in the correct size, all i can say is that i hope the boot will work very well for you and you will be happy with it.
post #16 of 27
i just got some head s8 worldcup there about flex 90 on hard setting they hav an anatomical toe and heel theyve taken me about 20 hours of race skiing to get them comfy enough to wear for 4 hours and only have toes go numb but i recon they r an amazing boot all heads are but not the most comnfortable out the box.
post #17 of 27
Thread Starter 
If I was ordering the Atomics I would be ordering the 26 and woudl have to grinf the carp out of them, But since the Head 26 is too short, i will get it in the 27. So, if I say I'm ordering an Atomic in a 26 is that better?

Head 26=300 27=310 (Shell length, not foot length)
Atomic 26=304 27=315
post #18 of 27
Don't size up just to accomodate toes if you're between sizes. Making room in the toe is child's play if its onyl a half size or so.
post #19 of 27
Thread Starter 
no one is sizing up I am reducing from 315 to 310
post #20 of 27
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
no one is sizing up I am reducing from 315 to 310
Hi Ron,

I'm in agreement on down sizing. The ability to create space in the boot with a few simple modifications will solve any tightness. The following help me and might be considered for your new boots.

Check the length of the liner and see if it is substantially shorter than the interior of the shell. Have the bootfitter stretch the liner to better match the space available.

Select a thin insole. I use off-the-shelf comformables. Some of the custom insoles are extra thick while others are thinner while still providing support.

Finally a little grinding might solve a problem, but I would wait until you and your bootfitter have tried everything else and you have had a few days on the slopes. Most ski boots fit one-half to one size larger after just a few days of skiing.

It sounds like your selecting very carefully, try to error on the "too-small" side of bootfitting.

Cheers,

Michael
post #21 of 27
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
If I was ordering the Atomics I would be ordering the 26 and woudl have to grinf the carp out of them, But since the Head 26 is too short, i will get it in the 27. So, if I say I'm ordering an Atomic in a 26 is that better?

Head 26=300 27=310 (Shell length, not foot length)
Atomic 26=304 27=315

I only wanted to help you get the boot in the correct size. The others agree that you probably need to downsize.
Let me put it this way: your foot is a few mm's longer than mine. For me a boot which is 3 or 2 size smaller than my street size is the correct size. Anything bigger than that and i end up in the wrong size. For my 10 (28) foot, the correct size is either 7 (25) or 8 (26) And your foot is narrower than mine. There are two things to consider. First, it is easier for someone with a narrower foot to downsize than someone with a wider foot. Second, you have access to bootfitters. Why don't you let them grind/punch the shell? Imagine how the fit will be like after the first few days on snow.
You only got a boot with a narrower sole length. You're still only 1 size smaller than your street size. I hope it will work well for you (although i have to say that i doubt it will work well).
If i were you i would get a 26. IMO. The Atomic runs big and has a generous (read roomy) forefoot/toebox. There is no reason not to get it in the 26. Let the bootfitters work on the boot.
post #22 of 27
Finn, atomic has a new boot line out this year called the X-line series. It is a marriage between the bottom of the b-tech series and the cuff of the race tech series. The X130 has a 130 flex index and would maybe allow a good fit/performance without the grinding. I tried on the X100 and would have ordered it had it been availabgle to us on the staff form. Later, RicB.
post #23 of 27
Thread Starter 
Just got back from Billy Kaplans, the boots were grinded to perfection and and ready for the snow. Wow, never had a boot fit like this, It feels much more like a hiking boot on my foot than a clunky boot. They are tight but not constricting; with even pressure throughout. All buckles are on the first tooth. Billy installed toe lifts to the bottom of the boot resulting is a nice upright position. He checked the alligment with his new digital allignment tool, I am within .5 degree, so I think I am pretty well set up. To think that I was in a 315 (the Atomics are 304's) is just laughable now. What was that fitter thinking? I wish I knew then What I know now! I actually feel pretty stupid. Lets see if the folks at Gorscuh stand behind their products and services when I see them next month.......
post #24 of 27
you will ski much better from the first run
post #25 of 27
AHHH... the smell of ground polyurethane in the morning..............it's,....it's, the smell of victory!
post #26 of 27
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
OK, I need a medium to plus (not overly wide toe box) due to foot bed work, wedges under bed to correct nasty pronation
Medium to narrow forefoot
low to moderate instep
narrow ankle
NARROW to Ouch calf.
Use, 70% gromed east coast snow, 30% will be trips out west, and piled up loose stuff here at home
NEUTRAL AS POSSIBLE, NON-ROTARY
Currently in Hot rods, top fuels but just too much volume. Flex is fine. (Nordica 115 FWIW)
Looking at:
Head RS96
Head 110 (not too sure)
Atomic Race Tec CW (Looks like best fit and performance)
Soli Falcon 10

Looking for a 310ish shell (10.5 street)
Educated thoughts, opinions and best places to buy. I will take to my fitter extrodinaire, Billy Kaplan.
Then you should be asking Billy Kaplan which boots are best-suited to your feet.

Don't waste your time asking us. Get what he says to get, get the fit, then post pics!
post #27 of 27
Thread Starter 
Old School, Cantman is Billy Kaplan and he recommended a couple of boots, I asked others for input, bought and tried a few different pairs with Billy (he doesn't sell boots) and ended up buying one of the the boot the recommended (Atomic RT Ti). Please read the entire thread, This was a kind of a written documentary of a boot search and then fitting.
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