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$800 budget, What do you recommend?

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
Hey,
Well this is my first post on this forum and have been reading a bit and decided to ask you what ski/binding setup you would recommend. My budget is $1000-800 or more if its worth it. I currently live in Michigan and ski a lot at Boyne Mt and my friends who snowboard a lot are going to go to Colorado and asked me to go but im still using skis that are about 5 years old So maybe its time to upgrade

Here is the info the sticky said to give;

Male,6'3'',270,19
I tend to like faster slopes with big moguls. And would say im 7-8
I like Boyne Mt, and Crystal Mt. Basically Upper Michigan. I love natural snow that has already had people gone down for a little while. Absolutley hate fake snow that seems like a frozen coke from the gas station.

I havent really tried any other skis then my older Fischer skis. Although when i went to boyne i rented some newer skis and it was so much more fun with better skis thats why im looking to replace the old ones. The only thing i can remember when i bought my skis that the there were these K2 skis that came out that were red, white, and blue and had a stripe on them that looked like real wood. (it was around the olympic games)


The guy at the local Ski shop recommend the fischer RX8 with bindings for $912. And said the RX9 are good to but they dont carry them. Any suggestions would be very helpful! Also i a noob to forums and skis so feel free to ask any questions because i probaly have no idea what im talking about. Thanks!
post #2 of 22
Buy last years models, get a dedicated mid-fat/groomer/bump type ski that will be your go to model. Then with what you have left find a new or used Powder ski.

should be able to do that for around 1k. I got a pair of head 77's and fischer kehuas, w/bindings and mounted in that ballpark.

Maybe last year's volkl Ac3 in a 184 and a dynastar 8800 in a similar length
post #3 of 22
Since you like busting crud and considering your size and ability I'd recommend the following skis:

Rossignol Bandit B3 (06' model, or newer) in a 176/184 (184 would be a better choice for your stature)...You can pick them up for about $500 and get some Look/Rossi bindings for about $150.

The B3's are one of the best crud/powder skis out that can still play on groomers (when you need to get back to the lift ). This is my personal choice.

The second ski would be the Dynastar Legend 8800. I would look at this ski if you prefer a livelier ski (the B3's offer plenty of feedback, but are a fairly damp ski) and will spend most of your time seeking powder.
You can get the ski for the same price as the B3's so it's really a matter of preferance.

I personally ski the B3's but wouldn't complain about having the 8800's either. I'm even thinking about getting a pair but that will cut into my Bro budget.

Another to consider is your boots. If they are as old as your ski's, I'd look at updating those as well. Considering your budget, you could afford new boots if you got one of the skis above.

Good luck and welcome.
post #4 of 22
This is a little complicated because you have some contradictory factors going on.

Your ability does not necessarily indicate a really stiff ski, but your size does.

The fact that you sound like you like speed, indicates a stiffer ski, but they wouldn't be very forgiving in moguls.

You ski mostly on the UP which is mostly hard snow which indicates a typical carving type ski. But there is a possibility of going to Colorado which indicates that a wider ski would be better at least for that trip.

I'm thinking that a carving type ski is the best choice but I'd suggest a somewhat wider waist than the RX-8 (great ski BTW). There are lots of good ones and the RX-9 is in the running for sure, but there are two others that I think might be a better fit.

The Nordica Speedmachine Mach 3 Carbon in a 178 or the Dynastar Contact 11 also in a 178 are both great skis with good edge grip but both have a 72mm waist which will give you something to work with in 6" of powder or scraped off sugar. Both of these are wide enough to ski comfortably on softer groomers out west and the Contact is particularly good in moguls because of it's high taper angle.

97% of your skiing time, you will have absolutely no use for a wider ski than these (let alone a powder ski) If it gets too deep in Colorado for either of these.....rent something.....

http://shop.sierrasnowboard.com/browse.cfm/4,1568.htm

http://shop.sierrasnowboard.com/browse.cfm/4,1591.htm

Note the promo called out in the little UPS box to the right. This will save you 10% on these two items plus there is no tax and free shipping.

SJ
post #5 of 22
I would consider a 2005/2006 model year Volkl 5 star in a 175cm size. This is a beefy recreational ski that will carve & handle bumps well.

The RX8 is a great ski but possibly not beefy enough for your size. I would also join realskiers.com: http://www.realskiers.com/ and do a little research. You should be able to save 50% on a great ski by selecting top quality close-outs.

Cheers,

Michael Barrett
post #6 of 22
Thread Starter 
Thank you all for your input ill look into it !
post #7 of 22
On further thought, I'll have to agree with Jim...
My recommendations were based off of what would be ideal for you in a western ski, but you'd be wasting your money if these ski's were used mostly in your part of the world.

Just rent when you get out here and the conditions warrant it.
I'd still seriously question the boot thing though.
post #8 of 22

Skis

Case,
I would try to buy used or new equipment here at epic through the equipment swap. And/Or, I highly recommend Jason @ Deep Powder Hut. He's in Calgary and CA Thanksgiving is this weekend, so try him on Monday, Tuesday. 1-866-SKI-DEAL. (skideals@shaw.ca) He has the BEST prices on the internet and can hook you up within or even less than your budget. Def give him a call.

Sounds (to me at least) like you only need one pair of all-arounds. IF THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR, I agree, the Volkl Unlimited AC3 (118/76/104) is a good light ski, or you may want to go to the AC4 (125/82/110). Atomic B5 is also a good all around for what you like. All three, you can find reviews and threads on this site by doing a search for each. One thing killer about the Volkl set up are that they have worked the longest w/Marker. Markers motion system iPT (piston device mounted in front of the toe) only comes on the volkl setup. I believe this to be the best floating binding system on the planet. All I can say is that it is sweet and the AC4 is the highest rated ski in it's class out there. Killer reviews by Ski and Skiing. Tester's choice, best in class, etc. Good for east/west/mid-west skiing. The atomic B5 (also highly recommended is LOADED with sidecut, (131/76/113). I think the turn radius on these babies is like 11 meters. If you're strictly looking for mogul boards, these may not be for you, but are excellent one quiver boards.

For your height, regarding length go with your gut, but don't go too short. What ever you do, check out the MFG website's, and Jason is a wealth of knowledge. Hopes this helps!
Joe
post #9 of 22
I would also agree w/Steve, Rent and get new boots. I would also buy them out west were you can find a good bootfitter.
post #10 of 22
Thread Starter 
Wow thanks again for all the inforamtion. What should i look to spend on boots? Im really thinking about getting those volks they seem like what i need. I wear a size 13 shoe and my old boots that i use curl my toes and then they go numb So im going to ditch those.
post #11 of 22
The problem that you have is similar to mine. There is not anyone in my area that REALLY knows boot fitting. (surfboards, sure, lol) All boots have different fits. A good bootfitter will analyize your foot and tell you what would be best for you based upon your foot and ability. Do not buy a boot, especially off the web prior to this occuring. Believe it or not even MFG have size changes mid season. you don't know what you're going to get. Case in point Tecnica changed their shell/liner last year and depending on when the boot was made depended on the actual fit. Where out west are you going? There is a bootfitters thread here. I would spend all you can afford, and then some... I really wouldn't look at the price, or at least I would resolve to appropriating the funds accordingly. Getting a good boot that truly fits is worth more than anything. $500.00 for the boot minimum and another $200.00 PLUS for a fit and foot beds which I HIGHLY recommend.
post #12 of 22
I'll be in SLC this christmas and am getting my boots fitted by a guy at Snowbird. My boots are less than a year old and were worked on by a local shop. Feet killed me in Jackson last spring. Again, that's why i'm getting them worked on by a reputable bootfitter. Also, I'm doing it at the beginning of the trip. That why I can ski painless (hopefully), but also gives me a window for and adjustments that will in all likelyhood be required. If your trip is going to be short, you may consider flying in a day early and spending a day in a shop prior to hooking up with the dudes. Check the bootfitting thread, fer sure.
post #13 of 22
Thread Starter 
Thanks man i didnt think of that at all
post #14 of 22
Definitely get the boots figured out first. Good skis are so much easier to come by.
post #15 of 22
I'm surprised noone has said this yet but - DEMO. It's very surprising how different skis feel from each other, and it's a very personal decision.

As to me I ski out east a lot and out west a couple of weeks a year and love the RX8's. I agree that at your size you'll need a longer ski (I skied the RX8's at 165 and 170, and when I weighed 200 the 170's were better, at your weight you'd want longer I'd think.)

Finally I also agree that boots are first. Get decent boots and have them aligned for you by someone on or near the hill so you can go back and have them tweaked once or twice. Do this with a pair of good demo skis. Once you've got that setup then try skis for a while before you buy.

You can definitely get skis for less money than your budget - great skis. Used, last year or two year's ago models, etc. Once you've dialed in on what you want you can look around and find them for a good price. Or buy the demos at the end of the season, or go for it and spend top dollar, but only if you've tried that model and size and love them.
post #16 of 22
Hey! A fellow Mich skier. Don't waste your money on a pow ski because we really don't get very much and it rarely is deeper than 6". Buy a good ice ski because that is what we really ski most of the time except in the spring when it turns to mashed taters. Go to a good quality ski shop and do the demo thing. Demo a LOT of skis before you buy so you get whats right for you. Crystal has a demo day in Dec around Christmas. There are all the big manufactors there and you can spend all day trying every thing. I always take advantage of free demo because you never know when you find something that clicks for you. Boyne has a good shop that will work with you on demos too. Stay away from the chain big box stores in Mi because they have junk for the most part and don't have any one that knows anything about the differences in their gear.
Where in MI are you? I'm north of GR. My son and I go to Crystal 4-5 times a year and ski bumps all day. We go to Cabrefae to just rip groomed cruisers. The hills are steep and they don't bitch it you ski fast.

Pray for early and late snow.

Wally
post #17 of 22
I grew up in Traverse City. I second, third whatever, the advice to get a ski suited to the short packed powder slopes of Michigan. I ski on a Fischer RX8, and think it may work for you. With your size you want to go with the longest ski offered, 175 in the case of the RX8.

I reseached bootfitters last year. Their is one in the Detroit area(Auburn Hills, I think), that is highly recommended. If you make it to the Cleveland area, I know a good one here. Boots are more important than skis, IMO.

Finally, look for last years models on eBay. You can get some really good deals.
post #18 of 22
There is no better deal around. Ask for Jason. Hope I didn't screw up by pasting this as I have no affilation with their shop whatsoever.
PS, you will want to go with the 14 DIN piston/binding. The AC4 also comes up to a 191CM
post #19 of 22
Welcome to EpicSki, CaseJ!

You've gotten some good advice already here, but I'll echo the suggestion to spend as much of your budget as it takes first on boots. They need to be the right boots for you, and they need to be set up right for you--which goes way beyond just making them comfortable. As far as which boots to look at for your particular feet and needs, I highly recommend that you post a detailed question to Jeff in this thread: 07 Boot questions for Jeff Bergeron/ Boot Fixation (click on the link to open the thread in a new window). He'll give you good, knowledgeable straight-forward advice without the bias of a salesperson (he doesn't sell boots--he just works on them).

Armed with that information, a great source for good equipment at deep discounts is the big fall "gear swaps" that take place this time of year, especially near major ski resorts. You'll find good used stuff cheap, as well as discounts on last year's gear (which is, of course, still excellent). There are lots of good skis out there. More important than brand, if you're on a budget, is getting the right model and length.

Every manufacturer makes skis that will work for you. From the Nordica line, with which I am most familiar, you should look for any of the Hot Rod models--probably best would be the "Modified," which at 74mm underfoot is the narrowest in the line, still wide enough for powder, and best on hard snow--or the Speed Machine Mach 3 Power XBI, at 72mm an even better hard snow ski and still skiable in any condition. With your size and weight, I'd recommend the 178cm length for any of them. These are top-of-the-line skis, which will have the power you need for your size, even if you ski aggressively. At list price, they are considerably beyond your stated budget (especially after you've spent a bunch on boots), but if you can find last year's models (of the Hot Rods; the Mach 3 is a new model this year), you may get them for a fraction of their $1000+ list price.

Good luck, CaseJ!

Best regards,
Bob Barnes
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post #21 of 22
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by wally01 View Post
Hey! A fellow Mich skier. Don't waste your money on a pow ski because we really don't get very much and it rarely is deeper than 6". Buy a good ice ski because that is what we really ski most of the time except in the spring when it turns to mashed taters. Go to a good quality ski shop and do the demo thing. Demo a LOT of skis before you buy so you get whats right for you. Crystal has a demo day in Dec around Christmas. There are all the big manufactors there and you can spend all day trying every thing. I always take advantage of free demo because you never know when you find something that clicks for you. Boyne has a good shop that will work with you on demos too. Stay away from the chain big box stores in Mi because they have junk for the most part and don't have any one that knows anything about the differences in their gear.
Where in MI are you? I'm north of GR. My son and I go to Crystal 4-5 times a year and ski bumps all day. We go to Cabrefae to just rip groomed cruisers. The hills are steep and they don't bitch it you ski fast.

Pray for early and late snow.

Wally

Hey man
I actually live in Kentwood and commute to Ferris in big rapids for school. Where do you go to buy equipment? Also it there something in boots i should look for? Also thanks a million to everyone who is giving me all this great info i didnt expcet any of this, but damn im happy i asked!
post #22 of 22
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Originally Posted by utahskier View Post
I weigh 215 to 230 Lbs and have used my sons 175cm RX8. I think Case J could use a 180cm size. It's a great performing ski that's superbly well made at a great price!

Case J , take note!

Cheers,

Michael
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