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Legend Pro XXL

post #1 of 25
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Hoooo Boy!!

Big fat ski fans rejoice. Dynastar got it right.

It IS very big.............duh!!
It IS core milled in the T&T area to reduce mass.

It is NOT stiff as a railroad tie or a B Squad. (Close though.....: )

For THAT skier this may well be the paradigm.

I just saw one for the first time and just re-ordered 3 more pr. (all I could get)

Seriously, I don't excited about skis of this type very much because realistically practically no one can really use them. I had one pr. ordered because I figured some fool with more ego than sense would buy it online.

This is for sure a big and powerful ski but it's not board-like in flex like I thought it would be. It is a tad stiffer in flex than the 190 Gotama but much firmer in torsion. With 197 Gotamas not getting built, I think there are a few good men............

I get to keep the half pair for the weekend and I'll try to get up a couple of pics.

SJ
post #2 of 25
too bad we don't have snow yet Jim.
I'd like to see you on these. :
post #3 of 25
Yeah, I fondled one at my local shop about a week ago. That flex just made me drool. SLIGHTLY thinner, softer and lighter than the LP (my favorite ski ever) but still stiff, damp and supple...mmm mmm mmm...

The only thing that has me concerned is my Big Daddys tips hang up in chop...like they are so wide the pure area of the tip gets knocked by the piles of chop and it momentarily slows the ski pitching me forward. The XXL will be better for that being heavier, slightly softer and with less camber (that's the key) and they'll definitely rock the untracked, I just wonder if I should skip purchasing a 108mm waist traditional cut ski and go right for the new design pow skis with tapered tip width....especially with how much these things will cost :

**Plus I just picked up a pair of 9.1FFs in MINT condition a few months ago :
post #4 of 25
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
This is for sure a big and powerful ski but it's not board-like in flex like I thought it would be. It is a tad stiffer in flex than the 190 Gotama but much firmer in torsion. With 197 Gotamas not getting built, I think there are a few good men............

SJ
Ok that got me interested. I was concerned they would stiff like 194 LPs. And, my plan had been to buy 197 Gotama this year. :


I did not see them listed on the site. What would the damage on a pair?
post #5 of 25
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I'd like to see you on these. :
No.............you probably wouldn't......................:

If the 186 was in this flex, mebbeso I'd ski it but not this one. (Too much for an old guy).

SJ
post #6 of 25
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Ok that got me interested. I was concerned they would stiff like 194 LPs. And, my plan had been to buy 197 Gotama this year. :


I did not see them listed on the site. What would the damage on a pair?
They will run the same as the regular LP. The XXL is not up yet because I don't really have any to sell, just a 1/2 pr to show and take pics of for a couple of days.

Dynastar is doing some good things and this is the first of several things that I think will be notable in the next 12 months or so.......:

SJ
post #7 of 25
i have a pair that i have been showing my dealers up in the great white north and there opinion is remarkably similar to Jims....
post #8 of 25
So Jim, why is it that these are so hard to find? Is it that they were late getting through the development phase or is it that shops just aren't ordering them? or is dynastar just making it difficult for some reason? Intentionally limited production to keep the buzz going for a few years? What's the deal?

The ones I fondled weren't the shop's (they had bindings but weren't for demo or sale)...the guy was vague about whose they were.

Oh, and what other notable things is dynastar doing in the next 12 months....do tell
post #9 of 25
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Originally Posted by X-EastCoaster View Post
So Jim, why is it that these are so hard to find? Is it that they were late getting through the development phase or is it that shops just aren't ordering them? or is dynastar just making it difficult for some reason? Intentionally limited production to keep the buzz going for a few years? What's the deal?

The ones I fondled weren't the shop's (they had bindings but weren't for demo or sale)...the guy was vague about whose they were.

Oh, and what other notable things is dynastar doing in the next 12 months....do tell
Well...............I could tell ya but then I'd hafta..........(you know)

These have always been hand built skis laid up in the race room. As such, they just can't build very many and they have always been fairly low priority in production. Race production usually wraps up in late August or So, and then they can get going on the other stuff.

I'm sure there is some limited marketing plan on these but there seems to be enough buzz already that they don't need much more hype. I think it's just production. Keep in mind too, that a company is going to build what is ordered and for the most part, we (dealers) ordered these without ever seeing one. Hence bookings were pretty low because I for one was afraid of it. If they had built this thing like the 186, no body (wellll......maybe Nobis) would have really been able to use it.

I have reordered the 176 which has a really sweet flex for it's target customer and some more of these XXL's. I ordered more within 5 mins of seeing this one. Most dealers will understand what this is going to mean for this skier. The available units will probably be sold out before they arrive in their warehouse. I think that's why I wasn't able to buy as many as I wanted to.

SJ
post #10 of 25
Thanks for the info Jim

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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
If they had built this thing like the 186, no body (wellll......maybe Nobis) would have really been able to use it.
I would have

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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
I have reordered the 176 which has a really sweet flex for it's target customer and some more of these XXL's.
So is the 176 LPs flex MUCH softer than the 186? I'm definitely eyeing those for my wife - if it's a tad softer, that's probably better but I wouldn't want it too much softer.

You seem to have a bit of boogey-man feeling about the LPs....I have the 186s and me and all 5 or 6 people I've thrown on them have found them to be quite easy to ski. Maybe we just had lots of hero snow last year but they just have such a compliant tail that never gets hung up and such a smoothness in cut up snow (the tip seems soft right up front which seems to smooth everything out)....not to mention they are actually the quickest turners of all my skis and I find them to be a wonderful tree ski - there was a few times I actually wish I had the 194s (I'm only 170lbs too).
post #11 of 25
186s are a dream ski for me.... a little stiff sometimes but they're a big gun of a ski and should be skied like one (160lbs)
post #12 of 25
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I don't have a Bogey Man feeling about it so much as a realistic idea of what it takes to turn it. BTW, I have skied it enough to know and I still have a new first gen 194 that I never mounted.

It can be truly frightening to see some of the skiers at Sqawwywood on their hero skis zipping down North Bowl in big ziggy zaggy lines rather than standing on their skis and letting them turn. (Frightening in that I'm afraid they can't turn 'em rather than they choose not to turn 'em)

Anybody, myself included, can muscle anything down the hill. However, IMO, we buy these big skis to make skiing this stuff easy and a ski that flexes and turns with reasonable input from the average skier that buys it is the best way for most folks to go. For those few that ski fast enough to bend 'em in the crud, an LP is a fine choice. I can ski that fast in the goo, I just prefer not to.

Re the 176....It is a similar flex as a 176 Gotama but with a more alpine flex pattern in that it is a bit stiffer in the tail than the forebody. The LP is stiffer torsionally than the Got. You cannot see metal in the 176 LP but it has the thin profile of a metal layup and a 4.1 drill spec so I suspect the metal is in there but is covered by the topsheet which is rolled down to the sidewall.

SJ
post #13 of 25
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IMO, we buy these big skis to make skiing this stuff easy and a ski that flexes and turns with reasonable input from the average skier that buys it is the best way for most folks to go. For those few that ski fast enough to bend 'em in the crud, an LP is a fine choice.
Dead on, SJ.

I absolutely love my 194 LPs for "Cruising" in Crud and Corn. Super smooth at big round hi-speed turns. On one of my best days last year, I spent a weekday morning doing hi-speed laps on a corned up South Face at Alpine. (really was lovin the new hi-speed sherwood lift too).

But, for pow and tight trees I'll take something a little more easy skiing like the Mantra or what the new XXL sounds like.

(Sitting smiling just thinking about how good that morning and lunch at the Ice bar were)
post #14 of 25
Just curious Jim, would you take offers on those 194s. Not the ski for me, but it sounds like you could sell them here to someone that will give them the snow they deserve.
post #15 of 25
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Just curious Jim, would you take offers on those 194s. Not the ski for me, but it sounds like you could sell them here to someone that will give them the snow they deserve.
You mean those 1st gen.??

Yeah, I s'pose I would. I always meant to mount 'em up, but I got old while I wasn't lookin'.......................:

SJ
post #16 of 25
Look out! Here it comes.

Offers?
post #17 of 25
I want these. Period.

Please pm me a price, I don't feel like turning this thread into E-bay. Thanks
post #18 of 25
Legend Pros bend pretty easy
post #19 of 25
So where are the pics, Jim?
post #20 of 25
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Originally Posted by X-EastCoaster View Post
Legend Pros bend pretty easy
Who is this? Please provide input on this thread

thanks.

SierraJim those skis are as good as gone.
post #21 of 25
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Who is this? Please provide input on this thread

thanks.

SierraJim those skis are as good as gone.
That's Jim S not me. Hate to say this (especially after his pre-season stoke thread ) but he's a very good friend of mine....my main ski partner other than my wife.

I'm done with the highway star thread...that dude's got ish-shoes!! I just posted this pic so you can see the legend pro tips severely bending backward. I swear there is a really soft spot up near the LPs tips right about where the 's' is in the 'Dynastar' on the base.
post #22 of 25
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So where are the pics, Jim?
OKOKOKOKOK......comin' on a seperate thread.................

Tom.......Got a batch of contacts, I guess somebody is gonna score those pups. Thanks for the referrals.

SJ
post #23 of 25
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I want these. Period.

Please pm me a price, I don't feel like turning this thread into E-bay. Thanks
Your message box is full.

SJ
post #24 of 25
FWIW, that soft spot is also their biggest weekness. I bent one of the tips up by about a centimeter by a combination of suspending them tip to tail in a chute and a hard landing.... so that was kinda disappointing. Other than that,
post #25 of 25

still available?

please let me know if these are still available as i have been looking for these for a while now and would love to put them to good use.

wundah@gmail.com or pm
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