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post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
I have a serious 1st yr J-3 racer that has a very good chance of qualifying for states (northeast). I would like to solicit some opinions on a couple of things.
1) Ski Size- He's 5ft and 93 Lbs yeah small and light.
-Slalom plan on using fischer SL's either 133cm or
143cm. WHICH ONE? OPINIONS?
-GS plan on using either Elan RCG 152 cm
or Nordica Doberman GSJ 161cm. WHICH ONE?
OPINIONS?
2) This year he starts Super G
-Do I break down and buy a pair? (none to borrow
no used ones to buy)
-Do I buy a pair of used Gs skis that are longer?
WHAT SIZE ?????
- Does he use his 161 cms ?
post #2 of 15
The ski choices are based on what is available?

The 161 GSJ Nordica for sure.

Are the 133/143 Fischer choices all you have? I'd encourage the 143 if this is the choice -

SG? - Where? In the meantime, Call Sport Thoma 603-745-3075 - They have last year's brand new GSJ's (and all jr race sizes for SLJ & GSJ) in a 171 for $199.00
post #3 of 15
DO you have cantact info for his coaches? I would start by asking them.
post #4 of 15
Ok, where are you from?

Where does he ski out of?

Did you make the team fitting or race night?

IMO the 133SL and 152GS.

We need more info.

He's small, the longer skis will take more effort to turn. If he's real good you should be able to get some longer skis for the SG training.

My son made States out of Okemo a few years back. So I have clue.
post #5 of 15
Thread Starter 
answers to questions:
These are the skis that I currently have and would like to use. I am most interested in your recommendations regarding length.
unfortunately his coaches are not that expeirenced
I'm always wary of race nights They are salespeople
We live in the western part of NY
WHAT SIZE GS FOR SUPER G RACE?
post #6 of 15
Try one of the Greek Peak coaches. They should be familiar with the SG hills your kid will running.
post #7 of 15

How far west?

If you're in the Buffalo area, take a look at Mud, Sweat & Gears in Ellicottville. They're the race shop around here and are really great. Also, there are a couple of swaps happening this weekend (Fall Festival). You might be able to find what you need. Also, Mud, Sweat & Gears offers SG ski rentals for training and races. I have info on a "racer day" coming up for USSA racers - drop me a PM if you want the info.

Cheers,
post #8 of 15
Very familiar questions, virtually the same for me now ... My son is a first year J3 this year, got 9th at Piche's Invitational last season. When he started the season ~year ago he was about 120lb and may be 5'2"+, rather tall and heavy for his age. He had new 05/06 Atomics SL11 144 and GS11 158. 144 were just fine for him right away, but he struggled with GS being too long till mid Jan or so. Elan is a bit softer than Atomic, but yours still might be Ok with shorter skis. Good luck!!
post #9 of 15
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Originally Posted by Max Capacity View Post
IMO the 133SL and 152GS.
BTW, I would agree with Max. At least GS 161 will be too long for him.
post #10 of 15
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Originally Posted by Holimonter View Post
If you're in the Buffalo area, take a look at Mud, Sweat & Gears in Ellicottville. They're the race shop around here and are really great. Also, there are a couple of swaps happening this weekend (Fall Festival). You might be able to find what you need. Also, Mud, Sweat & Gears offers SG ski rentals for training and races. I have info on a "racer day" coming up for USSA racers - drop me a PM if you want the info.

Cheers,
I agree, if you are far west (as in the buffalo/erie) end of the state and you do not want to travel far Miguel and his crew there are the best you will find. Not only is it a great shop, but you are also dealing with a very highly respected coach and skier, so in most cases he knows what his customers need and can offer great advice for your young racer. I was coached by Miguel for a few seasons (a year or so back) and I can't say enough about his knowledge of racing (particularly tech events).

If you are not that far west I would suggest Snow Country in rochester or Ski Company?? (I think) is you are looking for Atomics. My vote is for Snow Country, as being from Greek Peak that was always the closest shop to me. They have an excellent and knowledgable staff there, and it is definitely worth the trip. If you don't want to go on one of their race weekends you can often call ahead and get excellent service when it is not so busy, and also still pay the racer price. The only thing you run the risk of is not getting the gear you want.

Later

GREG
post #11 of 15
Edenboy,

I'm a former Western NY coach. I highly agree with HeluvaSkier and Holimonter. Eden is not that far from Ellicottville, take a trip down and talk to Miguel at Mud, Sweat and Gears. He'll set you on the right course. Top notch coach. Make sure you speak to him though. Call ahead and make sure he'll be there.
post #12 of 15
I been watching a lot of kid ski racing the last few years and buying a lot of junior skis. My daughter was a first year J3 two years ago and she was also about 5 ft, 95 lbs at the time. Her SL skis were 148 cm Volkl P60. My son is also a first year J3 this year. He is now 5'6", 120lbs, and will probably run on Fischer 150s. I think you should go for the 143 for your son. Courses in J3 are more technical and longer. I think he will appreciate the speed the extra length gives on the combinations throughout the flats. And even at 143, I think he will have the shortest skis in the boys J3 group (at least that's true of Tahoe).

For GS, I like the 152s better than the 161s. If you are considering buying skis, I think a 4-5 cm longer GS would be better money spent than a SG ski. There aren't that many SG races compared to the other disciplines and don't think they're worth the money. This year my J3 son will use my J2 daughters 175 GS ski for SG.

While us race parents can get all bothered by the equipment choices, ultimately the choice of ski is not that big of deal. My best, and hard learned, advice is to get a good fitting pair of boots. A snug, well fit boot can make an slightly off sized ski fly. A perfectly sized ski will flail attached to an ill fitting boot.
post #13 of 15
Sizing junior GS skis:

Find athlete height in cm. 5' = 60" x 2.54 = 152cm

Based on skill level, we have three choices:

Learning to race: = to height. +0cm. 150 - 153

Gaining experience, middle of the pack: +5cm. 153-157ish

Strong skills, podium level skier: +10cm. 160-163.

This GS sizing system has been effective for sizing 12 and unders and applies well at the 13-14 year level too. However, not until the JIII level do we consider a ski as large as +15cm.

Keep in mind we are matching sizing based on numbers, not standing the ski next to the skier, as a 152's cord length is shorter.

So calculate height, then choose based on skill. Assertieness of the athlete should then be considered. Different brands encourage different dynamics. As an example, a highly skilled 145cm (4'9") JIV girl may ski very well on a 161 Nordica, but on a Fischer a 155 is the choice.

Atomic and Fischer are generally more aggressive skis. Nordica and Salomon are more even keeled and predictable. Most other jr. skis fall in between these ranges.

Finally, where do you ski and race. Athletes who have full mountain experience available (1500+ vertical) will enjoy the stability of a "more" ski and will probably train on real GS courses. Smaller mountains tend to set a more modified version of GS (where speed is less of an element), In this case, a more manageable ski, in a bit shorter length makes sense.

As a side note, I stand 178cm. As an elite I would race on a 193. As a state level athlete I would be in the 188 range. If I was just learning to race, skis in the 178-183 range would be my best selection.
post #14 of 15
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Originally Posted by whygimf View Post
Sizing junior GS skis:
Find athlete height in cm. 5' = 60" x 2.54 = 152cm
Sorry, if I'm pulling the discussion off. There is a well spread and supported opinion that the ski length should be based on skier's weight rather than height (apart from skills level, hill type, etc.): the skis barely "see" the skier's height while "sense" its weigth very well. My personal opinion is that both should be considered, with the height being secondary to the weight. Any ideas?
post #15 of 15
J-3 is that 12-13 years old?

I think 133 cm in SL seems rather short. I have a 10 year (-96) (is that J4?) old son who last season had 130 in SL and 147 in GS. This year after much consideration he will be on 136 in SL and continue with 147 in GS. And he is small and light (4.75 ft/75 lb).

What about boots? My son has Ross j2 which is like last years lange comp 80 (this years model i heard was a bit stiffer). And I have removed the screw from those.

Videos of him from last year:

SL: http://www.skiteam.se/filmer/Rosskno...06_Seb_ak2.mpg

GS: http://www.skiteam.se/filmer/Seb_LVC-Final_GS_ak2.mpg
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