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post #571 of 801
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Originally Posted by Highway Star View Post
I was actually looking for "you rip", which I did get multiple times (in various wordings).
If you thought you did, you were mistaken. Believe me.
post #572 of 801
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Originally Posted by Highway Star View Post
I was actually looking for "you rip".
And it only took 562 posts for HighwayStar to acknowledge this!
post #573 of 801
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Originally Posted by seldon View Post
If you thought you did, you were mistaken. Believe me.
Uh.... yeah... I'm with Seldon. I didn't interpret any comments to mean "you rip"
post #574 of 801
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by seldon View Post
If you thought you did, you were mistaken. Believe me.
Don't worry, nobody's ever accused you of ripping.

It's not possible to rip without c-e-n-t-r-i-p-e-t-a-l force.

Believe me.
post #575 of 801
I think it's time to stop
post #576 of 801
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Originally Posted by borntoski683 View Post
Thor is a lucky man. When I was in Schwietzer I ate at his pizza joint and thought to myself I wish it was MY pizza joint.
Yeah, great pizza. Service leaves a little to be desired. It can be pretty slow. I think it's partly due to some of the hired help partaking in 'smoke' breaks during their shifts. I've only eaten there a couple of times because of the service.
post #577 of 801
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Originally Posted by hrstrat57 View Post
Yep, put that one in the gallery right next to tyrone shoelaces...if a picture could be last word that's it....even a little classic pole drag with the left pole

rippin' and very, very nice:

well dressed?

I like a red jacket = class with a little showboat
Hey, thanks. I'm flattered!
post #578 of 801
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Originally Posted by Lars View Post
Don't you long for the old days when no one worried about riding the outside ski or picking up the inside ski?
Lars, I really love ya, but... when was that? I know I've been doing it since I started skiing in the early '70s...
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Originally Posted by Lars View Post
I do. When you guys ask for an MA of your skiing, what is it you really want? Someone to tell you how awesome you look on skis? How your technique is so good that only good comments are needed?

Don't ask if you don't want to hear the critiques. Don't ask if you can't accept the comments.
Amen!
post #579 of 801
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Originally Posted by JohnH View Post
he is well dressed, it is a nice image and guess what??? That's where he's supposed to be balanced. He's not leaning in too much or too little.

U.P. Racer's comment must have been pretty hard to take, HS, since that was the response you were looking for in your original post.
Right on, JohnH. I agree completely. Nice rippin', GoldMember!
post #580 of 801
^^ Thanks!
post #581 of 801
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Originally Posted by GoldMember View Post
Very nice shot.
post #582 of 801
this thread is ridiculous! i guess there are a lot of pros out there by HS standards... first post woo!
post #583 of 801
mortimer, welcome to EpicSki.
post #584 of 801
Nice skiing Goldmember, but that hat matching the jacket thing is sorta freaking me out.
post #585 of 801
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Originally Posted by Wear The Fox Hat View Post
mortimer, welcome to EpicSki.
thanks!
post #586 of 801
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Originally Posted by Highway Star View Post
Don't worry, nobody's ever accused you of ripping.

It's not possible to rip without c-e-n-t-r-i-p-e-t-a-l force.

Believe me.
Dear HighwayStar,
Kindly critique my form in the photos I've posted to the board. As I don't post here often, I'm sure you can find them... I think I put them in the best picture thread. Or you can search for "the alta trip report" on tgr. I just want to know what you think.
Kisses,
John
post #587 of 801

Request for MA critique

HS, you won't care to read this. But, I'd really like to get feedback from the excellent coaches and instructors who have spent time in this thread on what I think I'm seeing in this sequence. I find the stills easier to use for commentary...

Apart from the lifted inside ski which is unnecessary, this body position is pretty good. It seems he is balanced on that outside ski and pretty much in the center of it.


The movement from the last frame to this is a pure lateral move with the hips, and they've moved back a bit relative to the ski (there's a touch more flex in the knee, but the but change is the hips moving strongly to his right). The inside ski touches down from the inclination of the body, primarily.


The hands come up to help with lateral balance, while the hips continue to move to his right in an effort to get lots of body angle. Weight on the inside ski increases drastically as the lateral momentum keeps moving the weight to the inside. The outside ski is tracking straight downhill because it's being used as a platform to push onto the uphill ski and into a new direction similar to a skating move.

The hips have continued to drop laterally into the turn, the push off is almost done, and most of the weight has moved to the inside ski.

Now, the outside leg is fully extended and almost all his weight has moved to the inside ski. The outside ski is free-wheeling, going pretty much where it wants to go (straight down the hill).

The uphill edge of the inside ski begins to bite as the ski is decambered when most of his force is applied to that ski. That ski begins to arc, pulling him across the hill. The outside ski is along for the ride.

In a continuation, the hips drop farther as the outside leg continues to be fully extended. Virtually all his weight is on his inside ski, which is biting and thus throwing snow. The outside ski is on the same path it's been on from the second or third frame. No turning at all.

The inside ski has hooked up, but due to the weak body position can't really arc the way it's meant to do. It's sliding as a result, but carrying the majority of the body weight. The outside ski continues to track straight.



These last two are just natural continuations. The CoM moves inside in a desperate effort to hold the inside ski's edge so that he can make a turn. The outside ski continues to track straight. The bind in the inside knee forces that ski forward, requiring a very athletic effort to keep it all going. The outside ski continues to track downhill (until a bit later when it gets dragged along for the ride).

So... what would I do with a student who exhibited these characteristics?

I'd like him to get the sensation of a smooth transition from one set of edges to the other. The most difficult aspect of the process would be the interaction necessary to help him slow down to discover some new sensations and insights. It would be very helpful to ski on some shorter, softer, and more shaped skis to find these experiences at first, but I understand that this student may not be as committed to improvement as he is to his equipment.

I think I'd start with a drill like a "Commitment Turn", keeping the inside ski off the snow for the entire turn, and then move to linking them. I might also try some one-footed skiing and some railroad track turns on both green and then blue terrain. I think Rusty Guy's static release may be an interesting exercise, as well: from a static stance on groomed blue terrain, release both skis (downhill just barely prior to uphill) and turn to a stop keeping both skis on the snow.

I would probably like to find a place to take the green RR tracks to blue RR tracks/power arcs in an effort to maintain the sensations.

It might also be interesting to play with leapers to see if we could get both edges changed at transition in the air.

Lastly, I'd play with fore/aft pressure, using various balance exercises starting with extremes.

I'd also want to take a good hard look at those boots and the various angles. I'm not sure that they are helping him.

...

So, comments? Critique?

Thanks to all of you for the great insights on HS's skiing. Many have gotten a lot out of this thread. Thank you!
post #588 of 801
too long lurking, time to say something....I have learned TONS and I bet my ego is as big as HS's if not bigger! And I was amazed to find out that he's 28! Some of us never grow up......thanks for all the helpful advice......and the entertainment!
post #589 of 801
Looks from the last pic above that his butt is below his knees. That aint right...right? Isnt that being too far back? I feel its tough to put the turn into words, step by step (and congrats to those of you who can and are doing it so well) but squatting down so far as to have your butt below your knees just doesnt seem right. Unless youre dropping a steamer in the woods.
post #590 of 801
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Originally Posted by seldon View Post
Dear HighwayStar,
Kindly critique my form in the photos I've posted to the board. As I don't post here often, I'm sure you can find them... I think I put them in the best picture thread. Or you can search for "the alta trip report" on tgr. I just want to know what you think.
Kisses,
John
Sure, you ski like every other gomer out there. Keep it up.
post #591 of 801
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Originally Posted by BostonSkiah View Post
too long lurking, time to say something....I have learned TONS and I bet my ego is as big as HS's if not bigger! And I was amazed to find out that he's 28! Some of us never grow up......thanks for all the helpful advice......and the entertainment!
Wow, you have been here longer than I have and this is your third post? We're all thanking HS for his hard work in bringing us together and the lurkers out of the closet
post #592 of 801
ssh,

Great post, I really hadn't looked at this vid before. To poach a line from our friend HH, this kid is actually doing a bit of a "von Grunigen" move. (sp?) This demonstrates actually what great balance HS has - he actually tracks perfectly on the wrong foot. I am still trying to master this move after studying Harbs vids and drinking some kool aid, it is not easy. I guess in other words I'm trying to ski like Highway Star The true expert I believe is always in complete balance, any terrain, any conditions and on either foot. Balance is skill number one, the basic athletic stance in motion....no question HS has great balance and athleticism.

If HS is not a troll(he might be an ex wc skiing down on purpose ) as I said in post 225 this kid is on the cusp of greatness. I wish I was still this athletic. Leapers are a great idea, I just reviewed the oro segment of www.amsao.it and no leapers are shown. HS if you are not a troll and truly wanna get better do the drills I mentioned previously. Focus in particular how the tips are engaged early and work on copying the fore/ aft positions demonstrated.

SSH can you point him to a link where leapers are demo'd? I think I recall seeing some in the whistler ski school vids but I can't find them.

As mentioned before(that's ok this thread has more redundancy than most: ) go incognito to ESA Stowe and get in a group with Jeb Boyd or Mike Rogan....they'll fix ya up too....you certainly can ski any terrain Stowe can throw at you.

...but keep on firing away the entertainment here is awesome. In summary tho, as many have pointed out, HS vids are typical of an expert level skier who has forged his own way and just needs a little tweaking to become world class. The basics are there and the fearlessness is key. This is great MA and very typical of flaws found after many years of do it yourself skiing. With world class instruction so easily available via free demo team vids in my signature, ESA, Harb videos and camps etc etc pick your poison and sample it all, it is absolutely crazy to fight it...HS is already on the verge of greatness, and already able to tackle most anything. Imagine how good it could become....

ps
I recommended shorter skis to dial in the drills, but I now realize I have no idea how much HS weighs....so I retract my mention of specifics until specs are provided.....Looks about my size but hard to tell....which is all part of the mystique of this great thread
post #593 of 801
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Originally Posted by Highway Star View Post
Sure, you ski like every other gomer out there. Keep it up.
Seldon,

First, I would say HS has no qualifications to judge anyone's skiing. Second, I doubt he bothered to look. Third, I saw the pictures and you rock.

Ssh:

You might want to start a separate thread about your latest query regarding the photo sequence question you were asking. I think most of the people you want to address your questions to quit looking at this thread.
post #594 of 801
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Originally Posted by ssh View Post

So, comments? Critique?
Steve, I would love to see you make that some interpertation in person. As it stands I'm sorely disappointed in your (and others) inablity to watch a video and look at pictures.

Your predjudice against me leads you to draw those conclusions. Perhaps my style does lend itself to misinterpretation. Back seat, inside ski, etc......you see that from people all the time, so you want to see it here. You make claims that I am making some of the most basic, simple mistakes that don't even apply to modern technique, but any alpine skiing in general.

You are clearly quite foolish.

I'm glad I'm not paying for this instruction, because I would want my money back.
post #595 of 801
Mr Star, is it possible you get the impression that you are weighting the outside ski because you may be pushing on it (like doing a leg press)? That could feel like you have most of your weight on the outside ski while actually doing the opposite. Just something to think about.
post #596 of 801
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Originally Posted by Highway Star View Post
Steve, I would love to see you make that some interpertation in person. As it stands I'm sorely disappointed in your (and others) inablity to watch a video and look at pictures.

Your predjudice against me leads you to draw those conclusions. Perhaps my style does lend itself to misinterpretation. Back seat, inside ski, etc......you see that from people all the time, so you want to see it here. You make claims that I am making some of the most basic, simple mistakes that don't even apply to modern technique, but any alpine skiing in general.

You are clearly quite foolish.

I'm glad I'm not paying for this instruction, because I would want my money back.
I'm just curious, H.S., What color is the sun on your planet?
post #597 of 801
Steve, your post leaves off where that turn gets interesting. Feel free to edit in my post or use these pics to continue what you see. That downhill ski is not entirely going along for the ride. It suddenly bites in and allows him to recover and stack pressure on the downhill ski as the turn swings through bringing the full force of the turn. The pressure bends the ski so hard it rebounds. Its an amazing display of strength as he sweeps through the belly of this turn with considerable pressure on the uphill ski and leg. The turn does end with his weight almost entirely on the downhill ski, but leaving him pretty inclined for transition. Because the downhill ski is loaded at that point he has his centripetal force and a strong platform to assist his strong up move at the turn. Note how the outside ski strongly decambers and then straightens as he adjusts knee pressure to ride the turn.

knee comes in turn engages


knee straightens slightly, ski loses some bend.


Knee still aligned toward tip.


Strong inward movement of outside knee initiated


Ski is decambering strongly in response to A-frame


Turn pressure is increasing.


Maximum turn pressure, knee into the turn, ski is very bent (decambered). Skis are at risk of converging. There is a ton of pressure in this turn on the downhill ski.


Knee backs out, and ski strightens reducing turn pressure, but no significant change in body position.

Normally such a low hip position is possible only when stacked and bearing on the downhill turning ski. We see that effect in the shot of Tyrone Shoelaces in the Gallery.
post #598 of 801
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Originally Posted by hrstrat57 View Post
SSH can you point him to a link where leapers are demo'd? I think I recall seeing some in the whistler ski school vids but I can't find them.
Found this on the VailBCSkiSchool site: http://www.vailbcschools.com/LEAPERS.htm
post #599 of 801
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Originally Posted by MilesB View Post
Mr Star, is it possible you get the impression that you are weighting the outside ski because you may be pushing on it (like doing a leg press)? That could feel like you have most of your weight on the outside ski while actually doing the opposite. Just something to think about.
Thanks for the insight. I'll agree that it certainly possible to put 80% of your weight on a completely flat inside ski and use the outside ski with a small percentage of weight to turn with, and even generate a decent amount of load on that outside ski. I have tried that and could demo it for you if you'd like.

However, that is not the case here. I know when I have a large amount of weight on my inside ski. It's pretty easy to tell - you loose the outside ski, and you're left standing on the inside.....pretty sucky feeling. I think steve (and everybody else) mis-interprets the photo sequence because they aren't used to seeing someone, well, turning hard. Perhaps if they were slightly more perceptive, and looked at the, oh, snowmaking gear in the background of the photos, they would get a better idea of exactly what kind of direction change I am making, and the forces involved.

I do get the overwhelming impression from this thread that the average Level-II or Level-III instructor doesn't really have a completely firm grasp on physics or vector dynamics. Ie. how forces, motion, and masses interact. I must say I'm quite rusty on the equations, but I do have the college level schooling, experience, and a flat out gut feel for the physical world that far surpasses the general population, and a large percentage of the posters in this thread. I've also got a nack for experimentation with ski technique, way more so than the average instructor. I have been playing around with GS technique and sidecut skis since 1994. I still have my pair of 163cm Elan SCX Monoblocks in the basement.........

Thankfully, I have enough experience and self confidence to stand up to people that are highly opinionated, yet so clearly wrong. While I have gotten some valueable information in this thread about what to shoot for in a perfect GS technique, it has also re-affirmed my sense about instructor's arrogance and closemindedness about skiing. If I were to take all the advice off epicski as gospel, well.........I care not to think about it.

If I cared about skiing "perfectly" all the time, I would probably spend more time skiing perfectly. I would probably also be quite sure to post video of myself skiing perfectly.
post #600 of 801
HS, so you're saying all the instructors are wrong, and know nothing, and only you have the absolute truth?
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