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Has Skiing changed the way you walk?

post #1 of 55
Thread Starter 
After an intense period of 7 back to back winters for me (oz\OS\oz\OS\oz\OS\oz) and with all the skiing and training clinics and the instructors need to have the perfect stance with the perfect positioned arms\hands I found that I had become the "man that does not swing his arms when he walks". A guy called Jerry pointed this out to me one day.

Sound familiar?

Oz :

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ December 01, 2001 06:35 AM: Message edited 1 time, by man from oz ]</font>
post #2 of 55
But that accident last may sure changed the way I walk.
post #3 of 55
No, I swing my arms in opposition when I walk. But here's something: I imagine I'm skiing when walking down stairs or down a hill.
post #4 of 55
Oz, you afraid of CRUSHING your socks?!?


(they are not going to like that GAY walk of yours there in Colorado!)

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ December 01, 2001 08:01 AM: Message edited 1 time, by Dr.GO ]</font>
post #5 of 55
interesting point, oz. reverse the letters and spend a little time at the zo. sorry zoo. lots of natural arm swinging to inspire you.

Since arm movement is central to our balance mechanisms I'm inclined to ask ski coaches (as you presumably imply) what exactly they are on about.
post #6 of 55
Indeed it does!

I too, walk with my arms still at my sides - the result of my years of practicing the "quiet upper body" school of sking - and it's second nature to me now. In addition, my gait is a narrow one (one foot in line with the other), and I tend to stand with my feet together because that's the way I ski.
post #7 of 55
Not the way I walk all the time, butdefinitely the way I walk on ice, or stand on the trolleys.
post #8 of 55
Yes skiing does effect the walk.

My stance is also along a "line" with no up/down motion from hyperextending and bouncing. The arms do swing, but in a natural short motion.

Coaches do ask/insist on no arm swing...In a slalom race(roughly 21 mph), the time it takes you to move your hands from the hip to the shoulder and back to the hip is 3/10 of a second... or 9 feet of distance! You don't have time to do a slalom run with swinging lose arms.

Wasn't there a racer from Africa years ago that would lean over and punch the snow in order to turn? Anyone else remember this?
post #9 of 55
Got to say people have pointed it out to me too, that i dont swing my arms much when i walk, i do a little, but not like some people do. I never really cared before or noticed it really. And by the way, it doesnt look gay... some people... Its not a limp upper body though, i dunno who cares..??
post #10 of 55
Thread Starter 
Thank god for that. I am not alone. I found I had to actually practise my "strut" again. The arms swing a little but it is a very quiet movement.

Another thing ... I find I cannot walk down or up stairs. I always have to run. Going up is cardio training and going down is a chance to practise rapid "switch foot" techniques. I.e. change the "lead" foot every 10 stairs.

Ha "sports conditioning" at its worst.

My airplane to ski paradise departs in 5 hours. Sydney to the Vail Bridge should take about 24 hrs if all goes well. I must remember to switch the brain to planes, trains and automobiles mode.

To happy

Oz [img]smile.gif[/img]

"Don't ever forget that you play with your soul as well as your body."
---Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
post #11 of 55
Nothing wrong with the way I walk or ski, I always keep a very quiet upper body. http://www.montypythonpages.com/silywalk.htm

Do you think I'm breaking too much at the waist, or do I have an abstem problem?

post #12 of 55
Thread Starter 

I was waitig for that one. What took you.

Oz [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #13 of 55
Have a safe flight, Oz. Try to get up and walk a bit to prevent circulatory problems. Walking during air turbulance is great ski conditioning, but I don't think the flight attendants would approve. [img]tongue.gif[/img]
post #14 of 55
About 15 years ago Erma Bombeck did a routine on skiers, basicly said "if you marry a skier, marry tall, they walk with thier knees bent 10 out of 12 months."
post #15 of 55
PinHed - I do exaxtly the same thing when walkin down slopes. Also, once I went camping, actually tried skiing type 'turns' in my shoes going down a hill and it's actually a very good way to get down a steep hill - heck I even dropped a small cliff in my shoes.
post #16 of 55
I thought i was the only one who feels like skiing down stairs. When I walk up or down stairs I bend my knees enough so that I don't bounce on every stair. Some times I just jump down the stairs. I do 360's and 540's off my front porch and over the railroad ties down onto the driveway.
I do backflips off the edge of the pool and hit the water feet first. Some powder day I'll do them on snow.
I am nuts. I need snow. bad (twitching) bad. yeah.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ December 01, 2001 08:03 PM: Message edited 1 time, by zeek ]</font>
post #17 of 55
No but my years of being a runway model has.

(your supposed to imagine you are pinching a dollar bill between your butt cheeks)

post #18 of 55
Sugar Snack, I thought I recognized you from your profile's picture.

You're Elizabeth Hurley! :
I always thought you were too good for Hugh Grant.
post #19 of 55
A quiet upper body should result from relaxed avoidance of participation in the activity of the lower body. Holding the upper body quiet with tight muscles is not the same thing. Similarly, the hands-forward-and-quiet stance properly includes holding your ski poles in a ready-to-use position that should be relaxed, not rigid. If you've "lost" natural arm swinging during walking as a result of tightening the abs, shoulders and arms to achieve a quiet upper body, you're losing an important aspect of the positioning. If you never had much arm swing because of superior athleticism, that's a different story.
post #20 of 55
Not to be a contrarian - or anything - but it works just the opposite for me, unfortunatately: Like my father, I always have walked with my knees bent and pointed out, my feet wide apart, my toes pointed out duck-like, and coming down hard on my heels, where a lot of my weight is resting even when I'm standing still. In fact, a few weeks ago, I got on one of those standing pads at a ski shop, where the pad is connected to a computer and the screen shows the weight distribution pattern. Sho' nuff, there was most of my weight - on my heels, damit! This may be the reason why I always fell on my butt while roller blading and why I managed to destroy the bones in my left wrist when the blades slipped out front like a watermelon seed under pressure, when feet flew up and the rest of me went the othe way - DOWN - FAST.[Limp wrist? I wish! After surgery, the thing is stiff as a board!] It also may explain the very mediocre level to which I've been able to take my skiing prowess. The guy in the ski shop said that one way partially to remedy the problem was to put heel lifts INSIDE my boots - this is NOT delta under the boot or binding, it is INSIDE the boot. I may try that this year and see what happens. I do know that skiing in the back seat on my T-Power shorty slaloms means instant, painful results. Skiing on the shorties has, at least to some extent, forced me to improve my centering. However, the easier skis for me are the K2 Mod 7/8's, which not only ski longer than the T-Powers, but they also are wider and more flexible, which for me has been much more forgiving of for/aft weight distribution. This weight distribution problem may be at the root of my skiing frustrations, and I would appreciate input from anyone with experience or even just ideas on the subject.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ December 02, 2001 07:21 AM: Message edited 1 time, by oboe ]</font>
post #21 of 55
Oboe, how is the alignment of your pelvis, in relationship to your rib cage? Are you at all sway back?
BTW, the weight being on your heels thing, may be a clue to some of the achilles problems you said you've been having.
I've been playing with an exercise for the past few months. Since I have not been on the hill, yet, I'm honestly not sure how effective it is, but here goes:

Come down into a skiers "tuck" position. Without lifting your heels transfer your weight foward towards your toes, then back to center. Then from your heels and back to center. Then from toes to heels [fore aft alignment.
Btw, pinhead, NOBODY is too good for Hugh Grant!!!!!
post #22 of 55
Here you go LM:

post #23 of 55
Oh!! Be still my heart!!!

But seriously, how has walking like a runway model affected your skiing? One very rude ski instructor told this guy that he skied like he had a ski pole up his butt!

BTW, lawyer AND runway model????
Well, now that you've made every other girl on this forum feel completly inadequate....
post #24 of 55
LM, I know you're kinda kiddin' about Hugh. You gotta be kiddin', right? I mean, if I got caught doing by Suzy what he got caught doing, then I'd be saying bye bye to to Suzy with a rake sticking out of my PinHed

sound of women cheering in backgroud
post #25 of 55
...you try to be a good spouse.
...you do the right thing.
then you get this type of mixed message.

I'm sooooo confused.

You know what I mean guys.

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post #26 of 55
Well, ya know, its a dirty job. Someone's gotta do it! Hurly should have just chilled.
Anyway, back to topic. I live in NYC. If I didnt swing my arms when I walked I'd never get down the street!
post #27 of 55
Dance classes are how I better learned good body separation. I know,I know. Dance Classes??? I liked a dancer in College. Gimme a break.

But really. Dancing has got all the right components. Posture, strength, balance, coordination, timing, attitude (yea attitude, smile while you ski!), movement, rhythm, dynamism (is that a word?)

Opposition in regards to your legs and arms is very important in efficient movement.

If you don't walk in opposition them I would tend to think that you have gotten to a point in your skiing that I call robot skiing. I most often see that as a plateau that advanced skiers should try to move beyond. Try smiling. [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #28 of 55
You know, Lisamarie, its has been awhile since I've been asked about my pelvis. But serioulsy, I'm not "sway backed", so far as I know. My walking and weight distribution just seem to be a function of the bone and joint structure I've inherited from my Dad. The quesion is how do I deal with it on skis? I'll try the exercise you suggest and would like to know more about it. I'm hoping for posts from Pierre, eh! and Bob Barnes on this subject, to name a few. I'm particularly interested in adjustments to equipment and adjustments to skiing technique, and I'll add your paradigm - exercise - to the mix. Thanks,Lisamarie, and now I will pass along your intrest in my pelvis to wifey, who will go ballsitic for sure - no snow here and I could use the excitement.
post #29 of 55
Arent you a tele guy? telemarkers seem to ski in a more dynamic, less robotic way, at least the way i see it.
post #30 of 55
Yes I limp......
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