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post #91 of 104
question 102 from CarvTiger
hi Jeff,
I am 6ft. 155lbs. 21 year old male. I have very narrow forefoot, heel ,calf and low instep. I am an advanced skier, prefer more forward lean. I ski almost entirely on piste. I have tried Fischer RC4 Comp which provided a good fit at forefoot, instep and heel, but not at calf. It also caused pain at the ankles when flexing the boot.

The questions:
1. On which problem should I focus at when fitting boots? Is a good fit at the calf more important than fit at the heel, forefoot and instep?
2. Can you recommend boot that would fit my narrow foot ?

Thanks for your help.

IMO, a good bootfitter should be able to make this boot work very well for you. If that does not come together, then perhaps you would like the Lange WC or Salomon Falcon.

BTW, it is usually quite easy to improve the fit at both the calf and ankle.
post #92 of 104
question 103 from snowride
31 year old Male, 5’11”, 155lbs, 9/9.5 street shoe. 16+ years of skiing, strong intermediate skier. Live in Alaska, pretty much have one resort, and lots of BC. Ski in a wide variety of terrain, but prefer off-piste. (Working on my powder skiing skills)

Have always had used “garage sale” quality boots in a variety of sizes, or AT Boots & Skis (unsure of AT Boot brand since they were rentals borrowed from where my buddy worked).

I have since realized the need for something that doesn’t hurt or let me float around in. I have tried on the X-Wave 8s 26.5 (felt weird), Lange 120 26.5 (felt small/tight in the forefoot), and the Nordica Speedmachine 10s. Speedmachines felt pretty good, but I am stuck on the 26.5 vs. 25.5 (since the shops up here don’t have a 26). 25.5 felt good volume wise, but toe was pressed hard against the toe of the shell. 26.5 was more comfortable in length, but had to use the last “rung” of the buckle to get them to buckle up.

Current Set Up:
Boots: Line Transfer Ski Boots in 27.5 (nice boots, but way to big) Skied 3 Times in.
Skis: Line Darkside 175CM, Salomon S912 Bindings

1. Are there any other boots out there you would recommend trying?

2. What flex indexes would you recommend?

3. Is there as good/recommended way to build volume inside the Speedmachine 10s, size 26.5 ?


1. You did not give me much information on your foot shape, but I am guessing you have a medium to wide forefoot with a slightly narrower heel. Some boots you might like could be the Salomon Falcon, the Atomic M series, and perhaps the Lange WC/ Rossi Radical. Keep in mind that I am only taking guesses here.
2. Probably anywhere from 90 to 120, depending on the boot.
3. Not really, but if you had to you could add 1/8" shims under the foot, as well as padding around the heel. Still, keep in mind that these boots feel loose and they have not even been broken in. They will get bigger, especially if you hike in them!

Good luck
post #93 of 104
question 105 from
Hi, Jeff

I've grown out of my ski boots and am in the market for new ones. If you could recommend some boots, I would be most grateful.

I'm 6 foot male, 160lbs, and my shoes are somewhere between 10 & 11. I ski aggressively - the steepest stuff on big mountains along with lots of moguls. Currently, I ride on Atomic Beta-Carves (size=170), but I'm planning on buying new skis soon... probably some of those chubby ones that are all the rage.

I have a very narrow foot.
In the past, I've had problems with shin bruising (boot bang, as I've heard some folks call it). This typically develops at the end of my first day. By the second day of skiing, it can really compromise my abilities.
To mediate this bruising, I've tried keeping my boots extremely tight and wearing socks tailored for skiing. It helps a little, but I'm terrified of buying a new boot that permits bruised business as usual. Maybe you can help me get it right.

I've heard Salomon and Lange sell narrow boots. I've also got a feeling that my boot size is roughly 28.5. I few weeks ago, I demoed a pair of Solomon Guns (28.5) and was very impressed, but felt that I couldn't give a completely unbiased appraisal because I'd already bruised my shins the day before. In other words, it wasn't exactly a controlled experiment.

1. If you could point me toward some good boots, I would appreciate it.


Some of the better boots that are narrow are the Atomic Race Tech CS (although the forefoot is not very narrow), the Lange WC/ Rossi Radical series, the Salomon Falcon, the Head 96 series, and the Fischer RC4 series. Note that the Atomic is slightly more race focussed than the others.

Good luck,
Jeff Bergeron
Pres, Boot Fixation
post #94 of 104
question 106 from Marty

Hi Jeff

I am a 5'5", 138 lbs advanced skier. I ski runs marked "experts only" - but I am not an expert. I bought a Salomon xwave 8.0 3 years back. since then a couple of things have happened. 1) i have lost some weight (maybe 5-8 lbs) and 2) my skiing has improved some. I have probably skied about 70 days on these boots - maybe more.

the main problem I have with my boots is that there seems to be a lot of room at the top (cuff, shin) area. last year I took it to a boot shop and they added a foam tongue filler - which definitely helped some. This year that is not helping much. (yes - I am using the velcro strap as well)

Of course - i must also admit that there are probably some weaknesses in skiing technique leading me to lean back - which may be causing my calf to lean more against the back of the boot. I do need to improve in this area - BUT - DO I NEED A NEW BOOT?

that's my question.
1. is it time to replace my boot with one that fits tighter around the shin.
2. or should I try to just improve my technique and wait for one more year.

thanks in advance

You mention leaning back, and that makes me wonder about the stance of your XWaves. While they are good boots, they are also quite upright. My suspiscion is that their stance is not ideal for you. Also, adding tongue padding will only make this problem worse.

Another problem I suspect is that the boots are too big. The XWave is not big around the cuff, so perhaps your boot is also too big.

And finally, I suspect these boots are too loose around your heel. If this is the case, your control is far short of what it could be.

Therefore, I think you should try some lower volume boots, possibly ones with more forward lean. Some options would be a Salomon Falcon, Lange WC/ Rossi Radical Pro, and perhaps the Atomic Race Tech or the upcoming Atomic Hawx.

Good luck,
Jeff Bergeron
Pres, Boot Fixation
post #95 of 104
question 107 from Magnus

My question is specifically in regards to footbed design. I tend to walk on the outside edges of my feet and this tendency translates over to my skiing, sking predominently on my outside edges when I point my skis downhill. I have experienced knee pain as a result after consecutive skiing days.

I have met two bootfitters that recommend conflicting strategies to counteract this problem. One suggests building up the outside of the footbed to force the ball of my foot onto the footbed. I consider this the bring the foot to the footbed approach. The other recommended building up my footbed under the ball of my foot, thereby bringing the footbed to my foot. This approach seeks to get me to apply pressure more evenly across my foot.

Which approach is the correct? Bring the foot to the footbad or bring the footbed to the foot?


Mountain View, CA

You did not follow the correct formatting, but since your post is straightforward I will still answer it. In the future, please number your questions, even if you only have one.

Anyway, to determine which approach is correct- supporting the outside or inside- I would have to do an evaluation of you and your equipment in my shop.

That said, it is more typical for the support to need to be on the outside of the foot, but you could easily be an exception to that.

Good luck,
Jeff Bergeron
Pres, Boot Fixation
post #96 of 104
question 108 from SpankedtheLadder
Hi Jeff,
Thank you so much for answering questions here. I feel on the east coast its near impossible to find excellent boot fitters. I've been dealing with SureFoot for 4 years and my feet still hurt. Time for a change

Background Information:
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 180 lbs
Skier Type: Level 8-9

Preferred Terrain: only ski groomed if I have to. Prefer off-piste, trees, bumps, powder (when I can find it), steeps.

Where I ski: Mostly east coast (Stowe/Sunday River/Sugarbush). I go to Whistler for 1 week a year and somewhere else for a long weekend (Tahoe or Mammoth most times).

Foot Type: I've never had my foot officially measured. However, what I know. Very flat feet, narrow heel, wide foot right below the toe line. When I stand up, my feet get much wider, when I start exercising them, they seem to expand some.

Shoe Size: 9.5 shoe size in regular shoes.

What I currently use: 3-4 year old Technica Icon ALU with Rapid Access upper (size 312mm). In addition, tons of custom work by SureFoot (orthotics, sole grind, canting adjustment on toe and heel, shell expansion on front foot underneath first front buckle). My problem with these boots is my feet tend to hurt to the point where I have to stop and lay down on the mountain for awhile to get down long runs. If I loosen the buckle to the point where my feet don't hurt, my foot just washes around inside the boot and I get tossed like a salad in crud and powder. These boots also don't keep my heel down in the boot.

My Questions:

1. What boots are best for razor sharp transmission of my inputs to the ski?
2. What boots weigh the least in the above category?
3. Can you suggest any good boot fitters in New England?


You had me at "which boots are best for razor sharp transmission of my inputs to the ski?" Anyway....

1. The boots I would want you to try are the Atomic Race Tech TI and CS, and the Salomon Falcon.
2. I am have not weighed them, but you could. Either way, race and semi-race boots tend to be reasonably light because they do use extra parts and/ or materials. There is a reason I call them "real ski boots."
3. The only person I am familiar with is Greg Hoffman of Green Mountain Orthotic Lab near the Stratton ski area. Keep in mind that there could be a few good guys that I do not know about.

Good luck,
Jeff Bergeron
Pres, Boot Fixation
post #97 of 104
question 109 from snowride
I found the answers I think I needed. I have ruled out the Speedmachine (too much volume for my feet) and am headed toward a Tecnica Diablo, probably the Magma.

2 Questions Now:

1) What is the difference / advantages between HotFit and HyperFit?
2) Is the Magma too much boot for the skiing ability I mentioned above?
1. The HotFit is a "molded" liner. In that you plug it in to heat it up. (I believe you can also heat the liner to go skiing.) IMO, the HyperFit works just as well and costs less.
2. IMO, the Magma is too stiff for your weight. I recommend you try the Flame or the Magnesium instead.

Also, be aware that the Diablos are known to pack out quite a bit.

Good luck,
Jeff Bergeron
Pres, Boot Fixation
post #98 of 104

Thank you so much for taking the time to answer so many questions and share your knowledge.

Here's the skinny on me: I'm pushing 30, 6'4" 225lbs and have a relatively wide size 11 street shoe. I also have somewhat high arches - although i've always corrected that with footbeds. I'm an aggressive ex-racer who loves to ski hard and fast. The real problem with finding a good boot for me is cuff height. I shattered my L tib+fib a couple of years back and had a fasciotomy performed to relieve compartment syndrome and save my leg. The result is a huge scar from the incision and some pretty badly damaged muscles and tissues underneath that will never be the same.

After returning to skiing, I quickly found that wearing my Lange XR8's was unbearable. It puts pressure on some of the damaged areas, and REALLY hurts. The funny thing is, my Lange XR7 feel great, and to me they really appear to be almost identical stiffness and color aside. This weekend, I tried on Nordica Speedmachine's, Dalbello Pro's and Rampage's and they all hurt like he**! I realize that I might be a 'special' case where I'll have to just try on every boot until I find a few that are bearable, and throw performance characteristics out the window, but I'm hoping you might be able to make a few suggestions.

1. Any suggestions for a similar modern boot that has a comparable cuff height and performance characteristics as the XR7 (probably about 10-12 years old - they're green, if that helps)?



Sorry to hear about your current leg issues- issues with tib/fib breaks can be very difficult to address.

As far as new boots go, you might do well with one of the newer Lange boots in the Fluid series. Perhaps the Fluid 90 might be good. (That said, the older boot did have a few advantages it.)

Perhaps more of what you will need is creativitiy with your fitting. Typically, the key is to move the pressure away from the affected area, and move it to less affected areas. Some good ways of doing this are to put padding in the area (say with neoprene or an Eliminator tongue pad), and to remove the padding from the affected area.

Good luck,
Jeff Bergeron
Pres, Boot Fixation
post #99 of 104
question 114 from MaineSkier
Hi Jeff,

Thanks for taking the time to answer all these questions! I too am in the market for a pair of boots to go with my new skis. I’ve always rented equipment in the past so this will be my first boot buying experience.

I'm male, about 5’-3” and 130#. I’m an advanced skier who gets to the mountain about a half dozen times a year. I mainly ski in the Northeast (Sunday River & Sugarloaf, Maine) and can ski all the trails on the mountain in good conditions. My preferred terrain is blacks and groomers, pretty much anything but hardcore moguls. My current skis are Atomic Metron M10 Skis with Neox 614 bindings.

My foot: Length – 255 mm; Forefoot – 100 mm; Heel – 65 mm; Calf – 340 mm (I took these measurements at home by tracing my foot and measuring the outline. Calf is circumference at the widest point). Hopefully I did it right! My normal shoe size is US 8/8.5M

1. What would be some good boots to start looking at? I'm looking to narrow the field and hope to find a reasonably priced pair.


Good job on measuring your feet! It seems that you have fairly average proportions to your feet, so buying a boot should not be inordinately difficult. Lucky you!

Anyway, a few boots you might like are the Tecnica Diablo series (Flame or Magnesium), the Nordica Speedmachine (be aware that it is a bit on the tall side), and the Lange Fluid series. Be aware that this is in no way a complete list.

Good luck,
Jeff Bergeron
Pres, Boot Fixation
post #100 of 104
Is Jeff coming back?
post #101 of 104
Magnus, I took the threads off sticky status since they hadn't been posted since February 5. I would guess Jeff will be back as the season slows down a bit for him. I think these threads offer a unique opportunity to ask a pro questions, but I'm wondering if we should share the load a bit between several of the pro fitters that post on the board. Something to think about for what I hope will be the 2008 boot fitting thread.
post #102 of 104

Recommendation - women's ski boots

Jeff, I need some help with boots for my daughter. Key dimensions are:

Height: 6'-1"
Weight: 155lbs
Skier level: Strong 6-1/2 to 7
Shoe size: Women's 10
Foot description: High instep and fairly wide in the forefoot/toebox area.

Current setup is on a pair of Nordica carving skis, which she rips on when skiing groomers. Current boots are Salomon Performa's, which she complains about the fit and being too soft.

We're looking to upgrade in both the ski and boot department, and will probably go with Volkl Aura's or Queen Attiva skis. I'd appreciate a recommendation on a particular boot brand, or model given the dimensions and ability. Thanks ...
post #103 of 104

Falcon 10

Originally Posted by Jeff Bergeron View Post
question 102 from CarvTiger


IMO, a good bootfitter should be able to make this boot work very well for you. If that does not come together, then perhaps you would like the Lange WC or Salomon Falcon.

BTW, it is usually quite easy to improve the fit at both the calf and ankle.
I have the Falcon 10. It is the best off-the-shelf fit I have ever worn. I have a medium width foot, low arch, calf measurement 43 cm at cuff height. The boot is too snug to use my custom foot beds, but I don't need them. The only problem initially was my calf was pinched on the inside (medial) between the tongue and cuff of the liner. However, after a few runs of flexing this problem disappeared. I like my boot very tight and a flex on the stiff end of the scale. My everyday boot used to be an Atomic Race 10. I am a big fan of the Lange also. I have an old pair of XR8's that I reserve for bashing, because of the softer shell and liner.
post #104 of 104

Interesting Boot Dilemma


I bought a pair of used ski boots from a friend solely because they fit my foot in length and width. The are Nordica Trend 03's.

I'm 185, 6'1 and ski mainly non-groomed trails (no bumps) and trees. I've had one knee scoped and feel like I'm somewhat pushed forward on my skis when wearing these boots. Average width foot. This question is two-fold.

1. I've removed the liner in the boot. What replacement would you recommend (I'd interested in heat-molded, etc)?

2. Can a professional bootfitter adjust this forward lean to the boots with an altered liner, or are new boots required?


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