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post #31 of 104
question 33
by KaraK
Hi Jeff,

Background Stats
26-year-old, female, 5'5, 200lb (more to love) intermediate skier with very muscular legs and calves.

And don't mistake me....when I say monster calves...I mean, it looks like I have canned hams in there...despite my build and weight, I'm a moderately successful sprinter because of those calves...which is insane, considering I'm a fatty.

Background Style
I like to take my time down the mountain. I hate feeling out of control…I like to feel like it's ME, not gravity, that's forcing me down that hill. I hate ice. It makes me feel like death is imminent.I ski mostly blues and some diamonds…if it's steep, I like to take carefully calculated, longish turns.

What I ski on now
I've spent the last few years in Salomon Irony's...but they cut-off the circulation at my calves, and lead to numb toes. I've NEVER found a pair I've felt totally comfortable in.

What I'm Looking For
I'm looking to finally locate, and buy, a comfortable boot that will accomodate my monster calves. Not a filmsy beginner boot, and not a stiff expert boot. Something that will support me, but won't cut off my circulation.

1. Suggestions?


1. The only suggestion I have is find a great boot fitter (a good bootfitter will probably not be good enough). No new boot is going to fit you well without significant calf modification. Still, there is some good news. Odds are good that I could fix you current Salomon Irony boots so that they would be far more comfortable than any boot you have had so far. ( I am very good at creating more room in the calf area of a ski boot.)

If you were to try a new boot, I would want be curious if the Nordica Olympia SM 14 or the Beast 12 could be made to work well for you. Still, expect major surgery on the boots.

Jeff Bergeron
Pres, Boot Fixation
post #32 of 104
question 34
by Chris Bowers
Hi Jeff,

I'm in the market for some new boots this year and wanted to get your advice.

I'm male, about 5'10, 175, fairly aggressive skier. I ski a combination of speed and trees, tend to stay away from bumps.

I'm currently on a pair of Solomon Crossmax 10's that were probably sized a bit too large and have packed out considerably. Taken them to a few good bootfitters who haven't been able to do much. So, its time for something new. Typically I've had stiff, low volume boots with the Crossmax being the least stiff I've owned. I was pretty happy with its performance though, fit aside.

I've got a slightly high instep, and have often had big time 6th toe issues along with pressure on the sides of my arch.

1. I've had my eye on the Tecnica Diablo Magma, as from what I've read its a fairly stiff boot but with a reasonable amount of comfort. I'm at the point now where beforehand I would have sacrificed some comfort for performance, but now I'd rate them about equal. Thoughts?

2. Any other boots you'd recommend?
1. The Diablo Magma probably has the stiffness you want, but it has a lot more forward lean than your current boot. Also, even though it starts off snug, the Diablos do pack out quite a bit. Just be careful of that.

2. I think you probably need a snugger boot, such as one of the semi race boots. The Rossi Radical Pro and Lange World Cup 130 HP fit are nice and relatively easy to live with (IMO). They also have a stance that is closer to your current Salomons.

Jeff Bergeron
Pres, Boot Fixation
post #33 of 104
question 35
by spoonHi Jeff,

Background: male skier, age 21, high 173cm, weigh 75kg, former racer, this year I will change to freestyle, mostly park and powder.
As a racer I'm used to very a hard boots.

1.Based upon my stats, could you recommend 2-3 brands and models boots?

Thank you!

Wow, short and sweet, and polite. I like that!

Still, I could use a bit more information. If you could let me know what race boots you have been using most recently, and how you liked them, I could probably provide better information for you. Include how the fit and performance seemed, and if you had any technique problems you could not get rid of.

Jeff Bergeron
Pres, Boot Fixation
post #34 of 104
question 36
by AndrewJ

I am an expert skier 45 yrs 180 lbs 6"1" who skis about 30 days a season and likes steep groomers but also skis some powder and off-piste and would like to do more of that... my shoe size is 10.5 to 11 and I have a somewhat narrow foot

Last season I got a pair of Salomon XWave 8 in a 28.5 size which felt great in the showroom but which I was soon washing around in... the buckles have to go to the tighest position across the foot and almost to the tightest position on the ankle... but I still wash around in the heel and ankle when I am in deep snow... I have put in some orthotics which were made for a prior pair of Salomon XWaves and which fit fine in these boots... those help some but I am still not in an optimal situation...

1 Should I keep trying with these or cut my losses and move on? I got the boots very cheap on sale over last summer so it wouldnt be the end of the world... I have tried some Technica Diablos and those fit pretty well...

2. Should I stay away from Salomons with a somewhat narrowish foot?

Thanks for any thoughts


Sorry to here about your experience with those Salomon XWaves. Unfortunately, you probably need to get a tighter fitting boot. While those boots do ski well, they are simply never going to fit your feet properly (IMO).

If you want a lower volume boot that skis similarly to the Salomon, you could try the Nordica Dobermann Pro 110 or 130, or the Nordica Hot Rod (essentially, the same as the Dobermann Pro). For boots with a tighter fit but more forward lean, you could try the Atomic Race Tech CS 100 or 130, the Dalbello Proton, or the Salomon Falcon.

Good luck,
Jeff Bergeron
Pres, Boot Fixation
post #35 of 104
question 37
by wmshad
Hi Jeff,

I'm a 33 years old, 195lb, 6'1" tall advanced skier. I'm a ski instructor and so spend over 100 days a year skiing. I've had in the past problems with pain under the arches of my feet and had custom footbed and linings made which helped. I'd describe my feet as high arch and quite small for my size.

I mainly ski in the NW on most types of terrain. I use some older light Dynastar when teaching kids and beginners. For higher end teaching and my own skiing I use Elan Magfire 12 with the fusion binding.

1. Can you suggest a couple of different boots keeping in mind that I can get them pro deals on them?



You did not give me a lot of information, but some boots that typically work well with higher insteps are the Nordica Dobermann Pro, Hot Rod and Speedmachine series, the Salomon XWave series (have they changed the name on these again?), the Salomon Falcon, and Head boots.

Good luck,
Jeff Bergeron
Pres, Boot Fixation
post #36 of 104
question 38
by freeskier22
Hi Jeff,
I understand this takes a lot of time for you to do, and i really appreciate your help.

Backround info:

Height - 5'10" Weight - 158 lbs Skier Type - III Age - 18 Terrain - Powder/off piste Boot Size - 26.5


1. I have tried on two boots that felt like they really fit me well, the Diablo Magma, and the Fischer x-fire. I ski at Alta a lot and am not sure as to what flex would be better for the type of terrain I ski/ how I ski it: the softer feeling flex of the Fischer X-fire, or the stiffer flex of the Technica Diablo Magma?

2. In general what have your experiences with these boots been like?

Thank you so much for your time,
Brian Hondorp

I am not a big fan of stiff boots, and that is especially so for softer snow conditions. The only times I tend to go stiff is if a client is particularly big or if they are pushed too far forward (but still want a certain boot). Anyway, I think the Fischer boot will have a better flex for you. You could also consider the Tecnical Diablo Magnesium.

I am curious, though. Do you think the Diablos are too far forward and that is why you are considering their stiffest production model? (The Diablo has a lot of forward lean.)

Good luck,
Jeff Bergeron
Pres, Boot Fixation
post #37 of 104
question 39
by D(C)Hi Jeff,

Background info: 5'8" 165 lbs 21 year old male racer and coach, skiing on mostly groomed/ice and slalom and GS courses.

1. I just bought a pair of 2005 Nordica Dobermann 150s. I'm playing around with spoiler height and was wondering how I know when I've found the right position. So far, I have tried it (in my basement) with it centered with respect to the hash marks and completely out. With it out, I feel balanced while, with it in, I feel thrown forward a bit. What should I be looking for? I got the boots at Race Stock Sports, and he said to keep it in, and maybe remove it for slalom.



Whether the spoiler should stay in or out depends on a number of factors- your leg shape, your technique, your bindings and what event you are skiing.

In general, the leg shape is the most important factor. Since you feel out of balance with them in, you may want to do an on snow test. Do a could of runs with them in, and then do a few runs with them out. Go with the position (in or out) that feels most balanced and strong, without blocking your ability to move forward at the start of the turn.

Good luck,
Jeff Bergeron,
Pres, Boot Fixation
post #38 of 104
question 40
by Josh784Hi Jeff, I got back into skiing last year and have a few boot questions for you.

I am 5'10" and 145lbs. I'm an intermediate-advanced skier (more intermediate technique...working on it!) who skies 75% groomed runs. I also enjoy skiing through the trees if the snow is powdery enough. I ski on a pair of Head Monster I.M. 72 skis in 170cm, and have a pair of 05 Salomon X-Wave 9.0 in 28.0. I wear a size 10-10.5 street shoe. I have a pair of heat molded Sole brand insoles in the boots. I have a wide forefoot and a high arch. One thing I have noticed with the X-Waves is that they are difficult to get on, but feel loose in the heel until significantly tightened.

1. The boots have never been terribly comfortable. I have to tighten them up quite a bit in order for them not to feel loose, and this leads to foot pain. Are the boots too big? I'm guessing they are. Aside from buying new boots, what are my options if this is the case?

2. If I were to buy new boots, which brands would you recommend for someone with a foot like mine (wide forefoot, not terribly wide heel, high arches)? I did not have access to a boot fitter when I bought the X-Waves last year. Now than I am in the Seattle area I'm guessing I can find someone.

Thanks very much,

Unfortunately, your boots are almost certainly too big for you. Odds are, to get a good shell fit you are going to need size 27 or 27.5 boots. So this means new boots. There are probably no good options for your current boots.

You might want to try the Nordica Speedmachine and/or the Atomic B100. If these are still too loose, consider trying the Salomon Falcon, the Nordica Doberman Pro 110 or Hot Rod Nitrous.

Jeff Bergeron
Pres, Boot Fixation
post #39 of 104
question 41
by duke walkerhi jeff. im a medium height, medium weight, medium+ age, powder hound
1) what is a narrow foot? (i became confused when a guy with a D width called his foot narrow? could we use shoe size widths like AA,A,B,C,D,E,EE?
2) what is low volume? (i became confused when a guy said he had a wide foot but low volume?) how do you measure it?
3) what is a low instep? how do you measureit?
4) what is the correlation between last width----lets say 98---and shoe width? is that an A?
i think it would help others to benefit from the questions and answers which you kindly provide to clarify the recommendations for the "lurkers" thanks.

You bring up some good points. These are subjective judgements, so here are how I would qualify them.

1. In general, a narrow forefoot is anything narrower than a C width.

2. Low volume generally refers to a foot that is narrow in the heel and ankle areas. This can be measured with tape measure, but rarely is. For most bootfitters, it is something they recognize when they look at it.

3. The instep is the top part of the foot, basically where it meets the front of the shin. Again, generally not measured, but is something that is easy for a good bootfitter to spot.

4. IMO, an A is 97mm and narrower, and a B is 98 to 99. Note that boot companies sometimes list their boots at the width they think they should be, and not necessarily where they really are.
post #40 of 104
question 42
by backbowl
Hi Jeff,

Thanks for sharing your expertise.

I am 5'11", 165 lbs, D width, narrow heels, Surefoot footbeds.

I ski mostly on-piste, non-groomed runs and bowls, I like moguls and glades. I ski fast but not crazy fast and like to put a lot of turns in my runs.

I'm skiing a pair of Tecnica Icon Carbons, which are about 7 - 8 years old now. They're still in good shape as I only ski about 15-20 days a year.

My problem with the boots is that I have pain in three areas after a day and half in the boots. I can't ski three consecutive days in the boots and the second consecutive day is not a lot of fun.

The areas that tend to be fairly raw at the end of the first day and really raw by lunch on the second are my shins, the outsides of my forefeet, more the right foot and the outside back of my heels.

I have had the boots punched out in the toes, outside of forefoot and the anklebones. I use the heel shims that came with the boots.

I am now looking for a new boot.


1. I think the Icons were too stiff for me but I don't know what their flex rating is. What flex rating should I look for in a new boot?
2. I have to cinch the cuffs pretty tight to not feel like I am sloshing around but then my feet get cold after an hour, so I am constantly going through a buckle tightening/loosening cycle, which I also think contributes to my shin bang. Is there a boot that fits a regular volume foot but accomodates a small volume heel?
3. Would a custom foamed liner be the solution?
4. The Surefoots are a weighted footbed but I've read unweighted is the preferred method of making footbeds. Is this true, what's your preference and why?
Best Regards,

1. IMO, your boots were probably a bit stiff. So that explains the shin pain, at least partially. For your new boots, I recommend you try boots between a 90 and 120 flex rating. Keep in mind that these flex ratings are not always completely accurate, so adjust your decision to how the boots feel to you.

2. Your way of tightening these boots almost certainly had a lot to do with the shin bang. Your plan of finding a boot with a tighter heel pocket should help. Some options might be the Salomon Falcon, the Atomic Race Tech CS 100, and the Dalbello Proton.

3. Not with your current boots, but you may want a custom liner if you get new boots and they eventually get too loose in the heel pocket.

4. I am actually not a fan of unweighted footbeds, because (IMO) they limit the boot tech. The only situation I feel they may have a slight advantage is when a person has a hyper-mobile foot. (As in it spreads out significantly when weight is put on it.) Still, an unweighted footbed made by a good boot tech should still be better than a weighted footbed made by a tech with poor skills.

Hope this helps,
Jeff Bergeron
Pres, Boot Fixation

P.S. Your toe pain probably came from the ridges inside the shell of your Icons. These should have been ground off before having any punching done to them.
post #41 of 104
question 44
by johnnybMale. 40 years old. 5ft 9. 180lb. Total novice, skied for the 1st time in January (in France), was skiing some red runs by the end of the week. I have small feet, UK size 7 (US 8ish), but they are also very narrow (narrower than a US C). In addition I have fallen arches; I wear molded insoles for sport as I have had knee problems in the past from too much running with unsupported arches.

I have had a pair of custom footbeds made in preparation of getting my own boots, as I know I will need them (if not full orthotics). Unfortunately my fitter had few boots in my size when I collected the footbeds (going back this weekend as more in stock now) but I did try a pair of Head Edge 8.8 or 9.8 boots, which initially felt very comfortable (anything would compared to the hire boots I used), but my arches started aching within about 10 minutes. I put it down to my arches not being used to the support the footbeds were providing, possibly aggravated by the fact that the boots were too wide, but I am concerned that this ache may initially be present with all the boots I try on, which may make it difficult to choose the best pair.

I am also a little concerned that a lot of manufacturers only use a narrow last in their boots for advanced skiers, with wider, higher volume boots for lower standard/recreational skiers. As I have such small feet (the Head boot I tried was 25 & seemed OK for length), and as the smallest size for a number of men's boots is 25.5, my fitter said I may get more choice if I am prepared to consider boots from women's ranges. However, I was under the impression that women's boots were usually wider than the comparable men's model, so I am not sure this would actually help; I would potentially be compromising width fit for length fit, which I would have thought would be a worse idea.

1 Does it sound as though my footbeds have been poorly made? Is it common to experience discomfort until the arch gets used to the support the footbed provides, or will any initial pain only get worse when wearing the boots for a full day's skiing?

2 Assuming that the footbeds have been properly made (the fitter was recommended by a couple of friends who are very good skiers, but neither of them has foot problems), will a narrower, better fitting boot reduce or eliminate pain at the "trying on" stage, or will I have to judge which boot is best with a degree of pain, hoping that it will reduce as my feet get used to the footbeds?

3 What are the main differences between men's and women's boots, and are they likely to be a decent fit for me bearing in mind I have such narrow feet and that I also have fairly chunky calves relative to my narrow ankles?

4 If I have to compromise between a better fitting boot that is ahead of my current standard and a poorer fitting boot with a more suitable flex, which is the better idea?

I am prepared to try any boots the fitter suggests, but as I don't think I'll be an easy fit (is anyone?), I would appreciate a little advice so I can at least raise relevant points while being fitted. I would also like to apologise for my 1st post turning into a novel.

1. Unfortunately, it sounds likely that your footbeds are a big part of the arch pain you have experienced. While some discomfort is fairly normal, what you experienced sounds beyond the normal range.

2. To see if the pain goes away, you could wear the boots at home and see if the pain lessens. Sometimes, it just takes an adjustment period. Still, I am not very hopeful on this.

3. Actually, the differences between men's and women's boots are less than you might expect. In general, the shells are nearly identical, and women's liners tend to have more padding in the heel. Sometimes, the women's boots are lower in the calf area. Both of these changes could work well for you. If you go this way, just try to not get a boot below a 90 flex index.

4. Lange boots sometimes work well, because they are lower in volume but can usually accomodate a larger calf. Still, they are often too far forward for skiers with large calves.

In my shop, I usually just pick the boot that fits the foot best and modify the fit for more room in the calf. I cannot remember ever dealing with a calf that I could not get to fit into the right boot.

Good luck,
Jeff Bergeron
Pres, Boot Fixation
post #42 of 104
question 45
by canskiBackground:

Male, 50, 5' 9" 225 lbs, wide forefoot, narrow heel, high arch, large calves. Level 2 Instructor & recreational racer, skis mostly on easter hard pack, focus is on carving. Tendancy to loose balance to the rear when racing.


1. I recently tried on the Atomic M110s. They seemed to be a reasonable fit out of the box. Would this be a good boot for me? Do you have any other suggestions?

2. I figure the balance issue could be either poor technique, boots that are too stiff or boots that are to upright. I would like to hear your comments on the effect of boot stiffness and forward lean on balance. How can you tell the flex and forward lean that you need when looking for new boots? Is there a significant difference in stance/forward lean between the manufacturers?

1. Those are good boots and could probably work well for you. Some boot options with a tighter fit but similar alignment might be the Lange World Cup 120 HP fit and the Nordica Dobermann Pro 130. If you want a little more forward lean, you might want to try the Salomon Falcon, or the Dalbello Proton.

2. While I doubt there are many boots that will be too stiff for you, too upright of a boot can be a big issue. See boots listed above.
post #43 of 104
question 46
by renato
Thanks for doing this. I'm a 6,10 , 220 pound , pusing 40. I ski fast on steep groomers, I typically ski 20-30 days per season. I have very flat feet , that are wide in the forefoot 11 cm and 28,5 cm long, narrow ankles and heels, low volume overall at least when standing flat.

1. What boots trend toward my foot type. I know Tecnica tend to have wide forefoots . But can't I get enough heel hold. I'm currently in Nordica GTS 12 which are comfortable, but I still have heel lift issues. Any opinions?

1. You may want to try the Atomic B100, IMO.
post #44 of 104
Temporarily Closed

This thread is temporarily closed to further questions until Jeff can address the backlog. Its a very busy time of year in the fitting and alignment business, and out of respect for Jeff's efforts we will try to avoid over-loading him.

Thanks for understanding, and in the interim, please consider asking your questions in the open forum.
Thanks for keeping it at a level I can handle, Cirque. I will try to get back next week, so you can open it again, if you like.
post #45 of 104
question 48
by Pete No. Idaho
HELP. Just spent 2 hours reading all the flex,lean,backpedal etc. posts. I better understand fore/aft balance etc. but am still confused.
Have tried on about 10 differ boots. Like Technica Diablo Gama size 26 and Atomic B100 size 27.
I'm 64yr, 5'11,193, strong skier (40yrs).
I need more ankle flex in my skiing.
Main future interest in skiing; off piste, powder.
Quiver: Rock skis-Atomic 16, all mt. Atomic B5 162, cruisers and fast groomer ski Fischer RX9 170's, off piste Bro 179 soft.
I wore TNT's for years and then broke the tongue off and had to go get boots that AM and ended up with Atomic AFT. They have a much more upright stance which I had a heck of a time getting used to but I think the more upright stance made me a better skier. I've just packed them out about 3 times. They're 27 and probably should be in a 26 with smaller shell size. Anyway what do you think? I'm size 9, pretty average med width feet with no real irregularities.

1. are the Technica Diablo Gama and Atomic B100 good choices for improved ankle flex and off-piste use?
2. Do you have other recommendations that could meet off-piste and powder considering the fit seems good in the above boots?

Thanks in advance for help. Oh year I'm somewhere between advanced and low expert in skiing proficiency. Depends on the old bones that day.

There are a number of reasons that can be the cause of limited ankle flex. Some of these include...
  • Boots that are too upright (prevents forward flexion)
  • Boots that are too far forward (skier has to brace themselves from falling forward)
  • Boots that are too stiff
  • Incorrect ramp angles and/ or profiles (the foot does not provide the right balance)
  • Body issues that are not related to ski boots such as poor hip control during flexion (this could be a long discussion in itself; one I am not going to get into here)
However, when someone tells me that they switched to a more upright boot, and it took a while to get used to it, I have to suspect the upright stance is not natural for you. Therefore....

It sounds to me like you need a boot with both more forward lean and a somewhat softer flex. Assuming I am correct, the Tecnica Diablo could be a good choice for you in that regard. The Atomic boot will probably not have the forward lean you seem to need. HOWEVER, if you switch to the next size down, you will effectively gain more forward lean (relative to the ski boot), so maybe they would work in a 26.

On the Tecnica side of things, you might want to consider a higher end Diablo such as the Flame or Magnesium.

Good luck,
Jeff Bergeron
Pres, Boot Fixation
post #46 of 104
question 49
by draskin
I am 5'8", 195lb, medium foot - neither skinny nor extra wide. I am an intermediate to advanced skier, midwest skiing mostly - so a lot of ice. I am a fairly aggresive skier.

I am choosing between Tecnica Diablo Flame and Nordica Speedmachine 8. The fit is fairly close between the two. The Flame boot seems stiffer.

1. Are these comparable models or should I be looking at something else?



Of those boots, the Tecnica Diablo Flame is a slightly higher performing boot. I recommend you try comparing it to the Nordica Speedmachine 10, which (IIRC) uses a significantly better grade of plastic.
post #47 of 104
question 51
by spoon
Hi Jeff,

Background: male skier, age 21, high 173cm, weigh 75kg, former racer, this year I will change to freestyle, mostly park and powder.
As a racer I'm used to very a hard boots.

1.Based upon my stats, could you recommend 2-3 brands and models boots?

(I asked for more info)

Hi Jeff,
Thanks for the answer. Last two seasons I've used Atomic and I like them, before this I've used Lange but I did not like them much because thay are too hard and I just did not feel comfortable with them. So my foot is little strange: It's quite short (size 8) and more wide. So every year when I got my new boots the guys at the factory had a lot of work to do, to make the boot fit my foot!

Thnak you!
Spoon, you are probably aware of this, but what you want out of a freestyle boot is considerably different than from your previous race boots. The biggest difference is in the boot's volume, especially when one has a wide foot.

Basically, a park boot should fit more loosely than a race boot. This lessens the boots tendency to overreact from an off landing (it is similar to not wanting your park skis razor sharp).

If you want geometry similar to your race boots, then you might consider the Tecnica Diablo Magnesium models and/ or the Nordica Beast. If you want a more upright boot (some freestylers prefer to be more upright), you might like the Nordica Speedmachine 10 or 12, or the Salomon 1080 (I think that is what they are calling it this year- they ran out of catalogs at the trade show).

Keep in mind that most of these boots will fit snugly at first but will pack out considerably with some use.

Good luck,
Jeff Bergeron
Pres, Boot Fixation
post #48 of 104
question 52
Geoff GreigJeff,
I am trying to help my Aunt find boots that give her more control and more fun in her skiing. She lives in Texas and spends as couple of months in Durango skiing every winter. She is 67 years old and 5'7" 156 pounds. I would categorize her a a cruising skier...she will ski a variety of terrain (blue, green, a minimum of black, no moguls, some powder and crud) usually with a round skidded style of turn (not a lot of edge angles).
Her challenge has to do with the combination of her foot size and shape and the size of her calves. Her calves are very large and this usually causes her to get boots to fit the calves and not her feet, which are AA with a AAAA heel. She is currently in a VERY old Solomon mid entry boot which fits her calves well but her feet are swimming. I have convinced her to get new boots and would love your expertise on potential brands and models that would best suit her characteristics.

1. What brand and model would fit her AA foot and AAAA heel?
2. Are there features on that model (or adjustments that can be made) to compensate for her oversized calves?
3. I have advised her to make the trip to Breck to have you fit them for her...if she can not make it to Breck, can you recommend a place or person for her to see in Durango or (yipes) Texas?

Geoff Greig

How's it going! Here are some opinions.

1. First of all, there is no boot made that will provide an ideal fit, but there are a few boots that may work reasonably well. I would probably start with a narrow boot and then modify the calf area as needed. Some possible options are the Fischer RC4 Comp, the Fischer MX-Exclusive, the Nordica Dobermann Pro 100 or the Dobermann Team 80, and the Lange World Cup 120W (this year's only). Still, these are not boots that are likely to be in many boot shops....

2. These boots are relatively simple and will probably require modification to fit her calves. Still, I find this more effective than trying to make a wide boot narrow.

3. Um, no. If she is driving, she could go to Taos or Telluride, where she might do ok. Boot Doctors are in both towns and have a decent reputation, and there is a wonderful fellow named Allain who owns a good shop in Taos. Still, I make no promises...

Good luck,
Jeff Bergeron
Pres, Boot Fixation
post #49 of 104
question 53
by fischermh

I am 43 years old, have been skiing for 41 years. I am 5'9", 225 lbs, my ideal body weight is around 195, I have a large frame and large strong legs. Level 8-9 skier. I am a patroller and mainly ski little hills in Ohio. I wear a size 10 1/2 to 11 street shoe EE to EEE. Large heel, normal arch and instep.

Currently, I ski in a Icon ALU Comp Hot Form boot. It is a 9 1/2. I have 1/2 inch room in my left boot and 1 inch in my right when shell fit. It took some tweaking with my footbed to make the left boot not hurt.

I am considering buying a new boot. In another post, someone recommended looking at an Atomic RT CS 130. Doberman 130 and Tecnica Race Pro 130s were also mentioned.

1. Do you concur with these suggestions?

2. What would be your first choice?

3. How would they compare with my Icon with respect to stiffness, responsiveness, forward lean, ramp angle, etc.?

4. I hear Atomics Run big, if I am in a 27.5 Icon, what size should I try in the Atomic?

Thanks in advance.


First of all, I wish you luck. It is never easy to make an EE to EEE width foot fit comfortably in a ski boot. Still, it can be done if you start with the right boot and have a good boot tech.

1. Probably not. Those boots all have fairly narrow heel pockets, so even if you make the forefoot fit, it will not fit in the back. Of those, only the Nordica Dobermann Pro has a reasonalbe chance of working.

2. Two boots you may want to try are the Atomic B90 and the Nordica Speedmachine 12 and/ or 14. You could also try a Nordica Beast 12/14, although I am not sure if that boot is being made this year. (They still make the Beast 10, even though it is not in the catalog.)

3. The Atomic B90 and Nordica Speedmachine are similar in forward lean, but have less ramp angle than your Icons. The Beast has more forward lean, but similar ramp angle.

4. IMO, production Atomic boots fit similarly in size to other brands.
post #50 of 104
question 54
by jrm27Hello Jeff:

Thank you for offering your advice and expertise!

Background: I'm five foot nince inches, 165 lbs. I live in Vail and end up skiing all over the mountains up here (powder, groomed, trees, backcountry). I've been getting somewhere between 30 and 50 days a year. I'm a somewhat agressive skier. My current boots are Salomon Ellipse 8 (27/27.5).

1. Replacement liners: I love my boots but am in need of a new liner. These are quite packed out. I get some pain in the top of my foot, right on the bridge, and sometimes my toes go numb. I assume this is from overtightening with such packed out liners. Do you know if it is possible to get replacement liners from the manufacturer? Do you know of other options i should consider? I don't have loads of cash, but I understand the importance and the value of having a well-fit boot!

Thank you Jeff. Hopefully I can come visit you all in Breck sometime.


I am sorry to say this, but I am not a fan of the Salomon Ellipse boot. This is not to say it does not work for you, just that I urge you to consider whether you really want an aftermarket for this boot.

Anyway, if you do want an aftermarket liner, you have a few choices which are....
  • (Injected) Foam Liner- Most people get these from Surefoot, and they can work reasonably well. Their advantages are they can make a boot more snug and they last a long time. Their disadvantages (IMO) are they tend to get overfilled, their fit changes with use (not a permanent change, but annoying still), and they can lessen your feel for the snow (because they can block ankle articulation). Note that I prefer foam liners that do not use injected tongues, but these seem to be very hard to find these days.
  • Silicon/ Cork Liners- These are the Zip Fit type of liners, and their strengths are they do a reasonably good job of snugging up a boot and they still allow good feel for the snow. Their downsides are (IMO), they can be a bit cold and do not always adjust well enough to the shape of the shell (generally with tighter "plug" type shells). Still, a good product for many people.
  • (EVA) "Thermoflex" type liners- These are heated for fit, and can work reasonably well. Their strengths are they usually easy to make comfortable and they are warm. The disadvantages (IMO) are they are prone to breaking down more quickly than other types of liners, although this depends somewhat on the type of boot you use. (They seem to last less time in race boots than in softer, recreational type boots.)
Again, all of this is IN MY OPINION.

Overall, I am not in love with any one design, but I do think each type can work well for the right skier and right boot. Currently, I am testing out a new EVA type liner that looks promising.

Jeff Bergeron
Pres, Boot Fixation
post #51 of 104
question 55
by Scott G

Thanks for providing a great service! Your expertise is greatly appreciated.

I am 5 foot 8 inches, 175 pounds, Type III skier. Taught skiing for 4 years in Vermont in the mid-90's before moving to Boulder 10 years ago. I ski fairly aggressively, mostly in Summit County on varying terrain, between 20-25 days a year. Typical ski day will include high-speed carving on groomers, some steeps and trees, lots of bumps.

Current pair of boots is the Tecnica Ti-RX, with custom footbeds (cork) to compensate for a collapsing arch and lots of pronation. The main problem I have had with boots is that I have a very wide, flat fore-foot, but not a wide heel. (My running shoes are size 10 EEEE.)

1. Can you recommend boots to try on?

2. I have noticed that when running straight on catwalks, I have trouble keeping my skis flat. They always seem to want to roll to the inside edge, and it takes great effort to keep them flat. I'm guessing this also adversely affects my ability to release an edge to initiate the next turn. Is this an issue solely (get it?) with my footbeds (which are starting to show wear), or could the boot be playing a part in this, too?

Thanks in advance for your help!

- Scott

Great post and good questions. First, let me just mention that you are coming from a very good boot, although you should be able to do better.

1. I think you should try the Atomic B90 and the Tecnica Diablo Magnesium. See if these give you good forefoot room and heel tightness.

2. In general, the fix for a skier riding on his inside edges starts with properly made footbeds. Since cork footbeds are made of semi-viscous material, they do seem to change slightly over time. Therefore, you could just need new footbeds. Still, it is possible that it is a more complicated alignment problem and that your current footbeds are fine.

Good luck,
Jeff Bergeron
Pres, Boot Fixation
post #52 of 104
question 56
by Lucky
Hi Jeff,
Background: male skier, 185lbs, 5 foot 11, I currently have Salomon Pro Model boots. I had the boot soles planed at Whistler (Snow Covers) and they used some type of material to build up the top lugs. This material appears to be wearing off in some areas.
1. Can the lack of material on the top lugs cause pre-release of the bindings?
2. Is the fit of the new Falcon 10 (Salomon) much different than the Pro-Model?

Thanks a lot! Lucky
1. IMO, the affect that this loss of material would have on your release is difficult to determine. Perhaps you should have a binding test done...
2. These are very different boots. IMO, the biggest changes are that the new Falcon is lower volume through the ankle region and comes with more forward lean.
post #53 of 104
question 57
Hi Jeff
Background: I'm 4'11", 115 lbs, 38 yo female, level 8+ skier, technically strong, ski mostly east coast hardpack, yellow jacket patrol at my home mtn. My feet are medium width, and soft in the arch. I just purchased a pair of last year's Lange World Cup 100 jr's. They seem to fit great, other than being tight in the toes. I did have the liner stretched for big toe on left foot plus shell punched/ground a little, and footbeds had to be cut down to fit the liners. Couple questions regarding these boots:

1. The boot is a 4.5, but the liner is marked 3-3.5. Is this normal? I know that short liners are the norm for these boots, but is it normal for them to actually be marked a size smaller?

2. My toes feel crunched, but relatively painless. Shell fit is 1 1/2 of my own fingers, so that's approx 5/8 -3/4" I think. Liners feel short when worn separately out of the boot. Any tips on breaking them in? I'm assuming the liner will grow when skied? How much can I expect the liner to grow?

3. My feet are often cold due to poor circulation. I've noticed that some knee socks contribute to a "tired" leg sensation (I've noticed this with "street" knee socks, when I'm not skiing). Is it possible that certain socks can cause my feet to get cold faster, by constricting just below the knee? (I do wear light weight ski socks with these boots).

1. IMO, this situation of a smaller liner with a larger shell is not ideal, but there are a few companies that do it for their smallest boots. (Lange and Nordica are two brands that come to mind.) Basically, the issue is they do not want to go to the expense of making a new shell, so they just put the smaller liner in it instead. IMO, not ideal, but you may not have any good options.
2. It sounds like you might do better with the next bigger liner (but the same shell). If this is not possible, perhaps you could put a few small slits in the liner to give yourself a bit more room.
3. The wrong sock can definitely cause issues with your circulation. When possible, try before you buy. (As in borrow some from a friend, etc...)
post #54 of 104

Hello Jeff:

I appreciate you taking the time to answer all of our various queries.

Background Info:
39 Y.O., 5'11", approx 185lbs, have a fairly narrow foot and I wear a size 10 - 10.5 street shoe, level 6-8 skier, mildly aggressive, skiing 39+ days a year predominantly in Tahoe but with regular trips to Utah, Colorado, Wyoming, Mammoth, and Canada thrown in throughout the year. Typical ski day will vary in terrain depending on who I am riding with (I ride with snowboarders and telemarkers mostly, but also with my 74 Y.O. dad, and solo), but usually includes 70% off-piste mixed with groomers (mostly getting back to the lift).

Current Boot:
Stock 2005/06 Hot Rod Top Fuel with Superfeet inserts. Size 26.5/7/305mm sole

I was reading through some of the other posts on boot fitting and noticed a comment you'd made about the Nordica Hot Rod Top Fuels:

"In my opinion, it is a good fit (and much better than many other boots), but I would like it to be more snug in the heel pocket."

A slight lack of snugness in the heel pocket is something that I have begun to notice after skiing them all last season. I have been experiencing a little play in the heel of my right boot (had a lift put in the left boot and it diminished the play a bit). Also, the factory liner has packed out considerably.

My Questions:
1. Is there anything that can be done to eliminate the play in the heel and make the fit a little snugger?

2. Is there an alternate, possibly thicker, liner one can get to use in the HR?

Thank you!
1. There are two main options for you. Get a thicker liner such as a ZipFit or a foam liner, or add padding to the heel pocket. Note that few shops use good padding on boots.

2. Answered above.

Good luck,
Jeff Bergeron
Pres, Boot Fixation
post #55 of 104
question 59
Hi Jeff,

Background: male skier, 26 yrs, 195lbs, 5'10, level 7-8. I was out of skiing for a decade, moved to CO last fall and skied all year. I went to a boot fitter in the area (won't mention names, but you can probably figure it out from the info).

I'm a size 9 street shoe with a average width forefoot, moderately wide midfoot, narrow heel, and I think, a bony ankle. I have pretty skinny lower legs with a larger calf.

We went with a 26.5 zipfit liner in a 25.5 Dalbello ZX supersport. I tried the Krypton, but it was too narrow in the mid foot. I think overall it's a good fit, but I'm having trouble communicating my needs for adjustments.

My initial problem were a pretty prominent pressure on the top of my foot. He moved some cork-gel out of this area of the tongue and moved it way up the tongue to the shin area (I'll come back to this. As I continued to ski the liner packed out a little, but I was having some pain on the side of my foot. He punched this out a little, which helped a little. The heel-toe length was the next issue. After 15 days, I still was banging my toes while skiing. Not enough for the nail to fall off, but a little bruising around the edge of one big toenail. He adjusted for this by removing the toe area of the liner with a razor blade and covered it up with some black "gaffer's like" tape. This seemed a little strange, to be honest. He also punched the big toe area a little.

My latest problem is that after about 20 days, the length is more or less right, I think I might be better with a little more. I find that later in the day, I have a "control" problem. I have pretty skinny lower legs (below my calf). I think there is not quite enough support in this area and I have to overtighten the boot to limit "wobble." I usually need to tighten the "across ankle" buckle and top buckle. The problem here is that when I tighten down this much I have to unbuckle at the bottom because it gets painful on the sides of my foot. It also drains a lot of my energy to maintain. I think that the tongue cork-gel is distributed to high on my shin, and I need more to maintain good pressure around the lower leg with the boots looser.

1. Do the adjustments so far seem reasonable? I am particularly curious about the removal of liner "toe-cap."

2. How can I best tweak an already tight boot that is loose in the area just above the ankle?

That was long, but hopefully coherent. I really appreciate some outside advice. I'm not disappointed in my fit, just need some tweaks to get it right.

Thanks a lot!

1. IMO, while it probably would have been better to start with a larger liner, the mods sound reasonable. As long as the inner part of the liner is kept, the boots should be at least ok. Still, this is not to say that you started with the best possible boot- it sounds like there may be trouble there.

2. You could add padding to this part of the liner, but it certainly makes you wonder why a custom liner is not snug here in the first place! Overall, it does not sound very good to me. Both the fit and control sound marginal to me.

IMO, you may want to try other boots with different fits and stances.

Good luck,
Jeff Bergeron
Pres, Boot Fixation
post #56 of 104
question 60

Hi Jeff, its your ralley friend from the land with the thousand lakes. Grönholm was in for some bad luck an is out of the championship fight .

Anyway, Im an expert skier in search for the perfect boot. My old trusted Dynafit F3 Comfortable foam had a perfect fit. My 2003 Nordica The Beast needed a lot of modification in order to fit but the innerlining is a joke. And Im not really pleased with them. I have a big foot, 29-30 and I have hard time finding good boots @ my size. My foot is allso wide in the front but big wide boots are too wide. Im 6foot2 and I weigh 94 kg.

Now I tried the Atomic Race Tech CS 100 size 29 and they fit remarcably well. In fact very well. I was surpriced. No pressurepoints and nice arround the heel. But the fit was not 100% gripping my foot, it felt kind of weard arround my the top of my ancle. Like there was nothing there. Also the flex was really really soft! Whats up with the flex? My Nordicas are much much stiffer. I thaught these were racing boots.

1. Are the 130's the same boot only stiffer?
2. Can you reccomend the new read Nordica Speedmashine boots? They did not have my size.

Rally man,

Bad news, WRC TV coverage in the US was cancelled this year. The only rally run I saw all year was of Colin McRae trashing his gold Subaru at the XGames in LA. Some day I will have to go to Ouninpohja! And at least Marcus/Ford are doing better than Solberg/Subaru. Subaru needs to start making that Prodrive P2! I blame Ricky Bobby! (Did that movie make it to Finland- it's about a fictional redneck NASCAR racer.) Anyway....

1. What's up with the flex? You are too big for the 100's- the 130's should be much better. They are the same other than the flex pattern. I have seen some weird (weard) things with the fit of the Atomic CS boots, however. At the trade show, they had CS's that had very little grip around the ankles. Then I tried later versions and they gripped very well. Perhaps the ones you tried came from an earlier run?

2. The Nordica Speedmachine will have much less heel hold than the Atomic RT CS. You would probably do better with the Nordica Hot Rod Top Fuel instead. Note that the Hot Rod boots are looser in the heel and higher over the instep than the Atomic CS. Good boots, though.

Good luck,
Jeff Bergeron
Pres, Boot Fixation
post #57 of 104
question 61
Hello Jeff, I am 55 yo male ( 6', 170 lbs ) returning to skiing after 10 years away. Equipment has changed somewhat! I am (was) lower level expert. I like to ski everywhere but am a control skier rather than very fast or aggresive. When I last skied I did so happily in my Salomon SX91 Equipe boots. When I got these boots in 1985! they were such a relief after years of different boots and their related problems but now my friends tell me I cant possibly keep wearing them and must get a new pair that will be so much better. My feet are 250 mm long and 105 mm wide and squarish rather than tapered across the toes. I have high arches and skinny heels, ankles, calves. I am visiting the US this season and am going to restart skiing with a couple of months in Steaboat, CO which I am really looking foward to.

(1) Could you please give me a couple of suggestions as to brand/model (Technica Flame? Magnesium? .........?) that might be suitable if I make the break from the Salomons. Thanks Mike Anderson

First of all, I am not one of those people who hate all rear entry boots. IMO, your Salomon SX91E's are some of the best rear entry boots made, so if you like them, you may want to start with them. (Note- I am not saying they offered the ultimate in performance! Just that they were acceptable for many skiers.)

That said, if its soles are worn out, shops may not be able to adjust bindings to them. If this is the case (or you just want newer boots), you might want to consider the Tecnica Vento 10 or Diablo Flame, and perhaps the Atomic B90.

Unfortunately, no company makes boots that will fit your feet ideally.

Good luck,
post #58 of 104
question 63
hey Jeff,

im from england and currently ski on dry slopes everyweek for a couple of hours and do a week or two a year to the french alps. Ive only skied for two weeks on snow but had practice on dry slope to. i can ski most reds and sometimes vier off just to the outside of runs. going to try some blacks this year but struggled on a couple last year. I also mite do the odd race for my university club 2! Im a 20 yr old male, about 5ft4 with size uk 5 feet around 24.5 mondo i believe. and weigh around 54KG. so basically im a tiny man!

ive popped into a local shop and felt comfortable in a Salomon course 80 but they are also ordering me in a Falcon 100 to try too.

1. Will i be ok in a junior boot, or will i be to heavy for them?
2. Should i be looking at an adult or junior boot?
3. If looking at a junior boot should it be a top end
4. Would you recomend the Falcon 100 over the Course 80 for me? should i try to find out about a course 90?
5. Am i looking at the totally wrong boots?

sorry if my questions overlap abit


Is it robbo or robbbbbb?

Anway here are some opinions.

1. IMO, you are too heavy for a junior boot. (Most junior boots use lower quality plastic.) Unfortunately, it can be difficult finding high level boots in smaller sizes, and I suspect that is especially true in England. (At least you get better small cars than we get here.)
2. Adult- although a stiffer women's boot may be fine.
3. Nicht@!
4. The Falcon may be good, although I am only guessing since I have no info on the width or volume of your foot. (Your lighter weight makes me think they are probably more narrow.)
5. A Nordica Hot Rod Nitrous might be good, Atomic Race Tech CS 100? (Again, just guesses.)

If it makes you feel any better, I have known some very good ski racers who were built like you....
post #59 of 104
question 64

Hey Jeff--Thanks very much. First, my stats:

5'11", 180 lbs, size 12 or 13 (depends on make and type) street shoe. I have Volkl AC3's at 163 cm. I am not terribly experienced, and I am still fairly cautious, simply because I don't like to go fast.

I tried on dozens of boots after last year's season, having rented all my boots previously. The Salomon Ellipse 9.0 at 29.5 fit my foot perfectly. Toe right at the edge when standing straight and when flexed forward my foot feels right at home. I have put them on about 5 times during the off season just to make sure they still felt good and also to do some exercises. They still feel great.

My concern is the flex, which appears to be "90" whatever that means.

Questions are:
1) is this (Salomon Ellipse 9.0 ) too much flex, not enough flex, and
2) how does flex affect skiing?
1. Odds are this flex pattern is fine for you as long as you ski at a moderate pace. If you decide to ski more aggressively, then consider a higher quality, and slightly stiffer boot.
2. This is a complex subject, but here is the simple version of it. Too stiff of a boot, and your range of motion is limited. This makes you ski stiffly and have difficulty with harder terrain. Too soft of a boot makes it difficult to transmit any power to the ski, such as pressuring your tips as you begin a turn.
post #60 of 104
question 65
Hi Jeff,

First of all, thank you for your help.

Background: male skier, 235lbs, 6 foot 6, foot width 4.6”, length 12.1”, ankle circumference 11.4” and normal arch.
I usually fit size 12.5 or 13 running shoes.
I am advanced skier and I enjoy steep groomers or powder (black runs).

I am going to replace my old boots (2000 model Rossignol size 30.5) this year. I missed a few years (3) of skiing and am looking forward to skiing again this year.
Problem that I had with my old boots:
- I purchased them in the rush (couldn’t find my size at the time)
- Too flexible
- I think they were too big and when fastened, they are on the last notch on the first lower 2 buckles (as tight as it goes)

1) Can you recommend some alternative model that will be comfortable and perform well?

Thank you

Dang, you are big- and have skinny ankles! Anyway, IMO you might consider the Fischer RC4 Race, the Atomic M100 and the Lange Fluid 100. If you want a tighter fit, consider the Atomic Race Tech CS 130 or the Lange World Cup 130HP (expect to need more fitting with these boots).
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