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post #61 of 152
Hi Jeff, its your ralley friend from the land with the thousand lakes. Grönholm was in for some bad luck an is out of the championship fight .

Anyway, Im an expert skier in search for the perfect boot. My old trusted Dynafit F3 Comfortable foam had a perfect fit. My 2003 Nordica The Beast needed a lot of modification in order to fit but the innerlining is a joke. And Im not really pleased with them. I have a big foot, 29-30 and I have hard time finding good boots @ my size. My foot is allso wide in the front but big wide boots are too wide. Im 6foot2 and I weigh 94 kg.

Now I tried the Atomic Race Tech CS 100 size 29 and they fit remarcably well. In fact very well. I was surpriced. No pressurepoints and nice arround the heel. But the fit was not 100% gripping my foot, it felt kind of weard arround my the top of my ancle. Like there was nothing there. Also the flex was really really soft! Whats up with the flex? My Nordicas are much much stiffer. I thaught these were racing boots.

1. Are the 130's the same boot only stiffer?
2. Can you reccomend the new read Nordica Speedmashine boots? They did not have my size.

post #62 of 152
Hello Jeff, I am 55 yo male ( 6', 170 lbs ) returning to skiing after 10 years away. Equipment has changed somewhat! I am (was) lower level expert. I like to ski everywhere but am a control skier rather than very fast or aggresive. When I last skied I did so happily in my Salomon SX91 Equipe boots. When I got these boots in 1985! they were such a relief after years of different boots and their related problems but now my friends tell me I cant possibly keep wearing them and must get a new pair that will be so much better. My feet are 250 mm long and 105 mm wide and squarish rather than tapered across the toes. I have high arches and skinny heels, ankles, calves. I am visiting the US this season and am going to restart skiing with a couple of months in Steaboat, CO which I am really looking foward to.

(1) Could you please give me a couple of suggestions as to brand/model (Technica Flame? Magnesium? .........?) that might be suitable if I make the break from the Salomons. Thanks Mike Anderson
post #63 of 152
hey Jeff,

im from england and currently ski on dry slopes everyweek for a couple of hours and do a week or two a year to the french alps. Ive only skied for two weeks on snow but had practice on dry slope to. i can ski most reds and sometimes vier off just to the outside of runs. going to try some blacks this year but struggled on a couple last year. I also mite do the odd race for my university club 2! Im a 20 yr old male, about 5ft4 with size uk 5 feet around 24.5 mondo i believe. and weigh around 54KG. so basically im a tiny man!

ive popped into a local shop and felt comfortable in a Salomon course 80 but they are also ordering me in a Falcon 100 to try too.

1. Will i be ok in a junior boot, or will i be to heavy for them?
2. Should i be looking at an adult or junior boot?
3. If looking at a junior boot should it be a top end
4. Would you recomend the Falcon 100 over the Course 80 for me? should i try to find out about a course 90?
5. Am i looking at the totally wrong boots?

sorry if my questions overlap abit


post #64 of 152

Right Boot?

Hey Jeff--Thanks very much. First, my stats:

5'11", 180 lbs, size 12 or 13 (depends on make and type) street shoe. I have Volkl AC3's at 163 cm. I am not terribly experienced, and I am still fairly cautious, simply because I don't like to go fast.

I tried on dozens of boots after last year's season, having rented all my boots previously. The Salomon Ellipse 9.0 at 29.5 fit my foot perfectly. Toe right at the edge when standing straight and when flexed forward my foot feels right at home. I have put them on about 5 times during the off season just to make sure they still felt good and also to do some exercises. They still feel great.

My concern is the flex, which appears to be "90" whatever that means.

Questions are:
1) is this (Salomon Ellipse 9.0 ) too much flex, not enough flex, and
2) how does flex affect skiing?
post #65 of 152

New boots?

Hi Jeff,

First of all, thank you for your help.

Background: male skier, 235lbs, 6 foot 6, foot width 4.6”, length 12.1”, ankle circumference 11.4” and normal arch.
I usually fit size 12.5 or 13 running shoes.
I am advanced skier and I enjoy steep groomers or powder (black runs).

I am going to replace my old boots (2000 model Rossignol size 30.5) this year. I missed a few years (3) of skiing and am looking forward to skiing again this year.
Problem that I had with my old boots:
- I purchased them in the rush (couldn’t find my size at the time)
- Too flexible
- I think they were too big and when fastened, they are on the last notch on the first lower 2 buckles (as tight as it goes)

1) Can you recommend some alternative model that will be comfortable and perform well?

Thank you
post #66 of 152

Getting a new boot

Hey Jeff,

Thank you in advance. You are helping us a lot!

Background: Male skier with a relatively narrow foot, 5'9,160lbs. I am an advanced skier looking for a semi-race or full race boot. There are three boots on my list: the Atomic RT Ti; RT CS and Nordica Dobermann Pro
I need to know some things about the differences in fit between the boots. Please give me your opinion on the boots assuming they are all the correct size. I know that all of them run big.


1. what are the differences in fit between the Race Tech Ti and CS? I hear that the latter is wider throughout but is it noticeably wider in the ankle/heel, mid foot and fore foot?

2. What are the differences in fit between the Race Tech Ti and Dobermann Pro? Is the Dobie Pro noticeably wider in the fore foot, mid foot and ankle/heel area?

3. What are the differences in fit between the Race Tech CS and Dobermann Pro? Is the CS noticeably wider in the fore foot?

4. Is the CS noticeably narrower in the mid foot and ankle/heel area than the Dobermann Pro?

Thanks for helping us out!

post #67 of 152
Hi Jeff,
Thank you for providing this service!

I am 48yrs old, 5'8" 150 lbs advanced skier 30 plus days per year.
Teach part time, race occasionally weekend club league, NASTAR etc. Ski variety of terrain including bumps usually hardpacked
conditions - East
Currently on Rossi Race 3 ( softest of the race that year) 2000/2001 year ( I think)
Yellow/black inverted overlaps. Size 26 shell- sole 304mm
Skis: Volkl 5 stars and Fischer RX8s
Looking for advice on purchasing new boots.Was told at a Race clinic last year by the coaches to look for new boots and
preferably boots with a more upright stance.
Don't want anything too stiff.
Been trying on boots this season. Like the fit of the Falcon10- seems to fit my somwhat wide toe area and narrow heel ( with
pump bump). Was advised by shop to try the Dobermann Pro 110 which they didn't have in stock. They had the 130 so I tried it
on for sizing/feel. Felt pretty good but didn't spend much time in it. I would like to try on the Dob Pro 110 and the Falcon
10 together to make a decision but can't find the 110s andywhere. Getting mixed messages from some shops - sounds like they
are not producing them this year or weren't available to shops?? Nordica website shows that model. Do you know the story on
these boots? Are they available anywhere? I wanted to try Rossi Bandits but can't find them locally. Tecnica Diablo feel too
roomy Atomics - hot spots in several places.
1. Do my choices ( Falcon 10 and Dobermann 110) sound reasonable to you? I hear that the Falcon 10 has a thin shell - would
that pose a problem for any grinding/ punching to accomodate the bump on my heel?
2. As far as finding a more upright stance than my Rossis, which would be the better choice?
3. Any suggestions on finding a DobermannPro 110? Special order only?
Thanks in advance!
post #68 of 152

Lange boot

Hi Jeff,

Background info:

29 years old male expert skier, 160lbs, 5 foot 11, i have narrow foot (don't have any size measurement but it fell pretty narrow...) . I mostly ski in the east with 2 trips to find some powder every year. I'm a agressive skier how likes off piste, powder, bumbs and a couple of jumps. I don't race race but I also like some good fast G turn...I used to have old nordica Grand prix 5 or 6 years old. They felt too soft and too large.

Yesterday i tried several boots and found myself most confortable in the Lange series. I was going to buy the freeride 120 but the seller convince me otherwise and got me to buy the Lange Freestyle (like the the Fluid 80 I thing). Saying that the 120 will be too stiff for what I do.

So I bought the Lange Freestyle 27,5 (Fluid 80)


1) Is these boots too soft for me (The flex feel very soft when I try it but it's not very cold yet). Will cold affect the flex alot?
2) Should I stay with the fluid serie or go with the freeride serie? And should I go higher in the flex number like 100 or 120?
3) One thing I'm concern about is that with the freestyle boot the two lower clip are already in the last clip position...

Thanks alot for your time and precious help!
Jeff Blouin
post #69 of 152

Thanks again for your help, and providing this great service.

In response to question 55, you suggested that the Atomic B90 and Tecnica Diablo Magnesium would be good places for me to start in an effort to find new boots that fit my extra-wide forefoot. Though I have not been able to find a local shop that carries Atomic, I have tried on several others, including the Tecnica Diablo Magnesium, Magma, and Vento, Nordica SpeedMachine 12 and Beast 12, and Salomon X-Wave 8.

The Tecnica boots all seemed too narrow in the forefoot and toe box, as were the SpeedMachines. The closest fit for my foot shape seemed to be the Beast 12, and the X-Wave 8.

1. I am assuming that the X-Wave 10 and X-Wave 8 only differ in the flex. If I intend on skiing a lot of bumps, would it make more sense to go with the 8 instead of the 10?
2. I got the impression that the Beast 12 was a lower performance boot that packs out faster. Is this correct?

Thanks again ...

- Scott
post #70 of 152
Hi Jeff,
Me: 39 years, 157 lbs, 5'6", low volume size 9 foot, aggressive male freeskier, ski 30+ days at Whistler
Boots: Solly X2-Lab (26.5), punched, uprighted, softened, Conformable foot bed, Xwave8 liner
Situation: The boot performs great but is very tempermental. I'm constantly in the shop repunching this or that. More critically, the liner is too big for the boot. Boot leaks and results in cold feet.

1) What liners would you recommend for this boot?
2) I'm considering trying this year's Falcon liner. Conformable foam liner looks nice but is very expensive.

post #71 of 152

Buying my first pair of boots

Thanks in advance for your help.

I'm heading to Steamboat this February and plan to buy my first pair of boots. I've had a lot of problems with poor fitting rental boots. Water skied most of my life and won't be satisfied until I can consitently carve and generate the G forces I am accustomed to from water skiing.

I'm 5'8" and weigh 160lb. I wear a size 9 shoe and believe I have a rather narrow heel and somewhat wide at the front of my foot.

My goal is to find a boot that will compliment my efforts to develop consistent carves on groomed runs and allow me to ski powder and crud without too much difficulty.

1. Is this enough information for you to recommend a few specific boots that I can try on as a starting point?

2. Can you recommend a boot fitter in Steamboat?

post #72 of 152

YABQ (Yet Another Boot Question)

Jeff -

Thanks for all the great information you've provided on this thread!

Hoping you can help me out ...

48 yo male, 5'10", 180 lbs, somewhat wide forefoot, narrow heel, skinny ankles & calves ("chicken legs").

Level 7-8, Skiing Fischer RX-8's on the east coast ... mainly groomers with the occasional trip through bumps or trees.

Been skiing o-l-d school Tecnica TNT's (orange shell w/ purple buckles) which I loved. Tried to find an end of season bargain on a new pair of boots last year. Tried a pair of Doberman 100's which fit my ankle and calf like a glove, but felt like someone cranked too many turns on the vise around the forefoot. Also tried a leftover pair of Atomic Race 10's. Much better all around fit, but I could not get myself out of the back seat on the few runs I tried :.

This year decided to fuggedabout the bargains and go for what works and what fits.

1) Any recommendations on a boot that comes close to the old school Tecnica's in terms of fit, stance and performance?

Thanks again for your help!!
post #73 of 152
Hi Jeff, fairly new to this forum, but hoping you can give me some advice/tips.

Background: 27 year old female, 5'6", 150lbs. Aggressive skier, ski all sorts of terrain (learning to survive trees and bumps currently). I'm in the Rossignol Power 9 (junior race version). Ski on a pair of Volkl G2's and Head Sweet Fat Thang's. Narrow foot all the way through, but particularly in the heel, very flat feet too. My boots were fit by a reputable bootfitter (hopefully), I have no foot beds in them currently and I've been in them for a little under 2 seasons now.

Problem: I cannot lock down my right heel (which is the smaller of my two feet). My boots were selected to fit my small foot by my bootfitter and then they punched a little for my larger foot...the rest of the boot fits really well, nice and snug, but the heel continues to lift and I have some side-to-side movement. I currently just hammer down on my ankle buckle, but then I lose a LOT of circulation and begin to get leg cramps, and it doesn't really solve the side-to-side.

1. What are some solutions for this issue? (preferably besides getting a whole new boot).

Thanks for all your time,
post #74 of 152
hi jeff,

first of all, i think it's great that you're doing this and helping everyone out.

i'm a level 9 skier, 175 lbs, 5'10", 30 years old. my feet are narrow throughout and not very tall, but i do have a medium to high arch (a lange foot). i have a great pair of custom footbeds.

i ski in europe mostly and most of that (75%) is done off-piste. being europe, that really doesn't mean a lot of powder, but rather a huge mish-mash of conditions on any given day. my style of dealing with this is to be centered and very much a 2-footed style of skiing.
edit- i ski fatter skis almost exlusively 85-105mm in the waist, 180-190 length

up until last year i had been skiing in flexons for a while and they worked ok for me. i fell in love with the upright stance, high cuff, and progressive flex, but at the same time never felt totally locked in by either the closure system nor the thermo liner. i went to a boot fitter and ended up in the nordica hot rod after trying this boot and the tecnica diablo 110. i probably should've paid attention a bit more because in the end i think i ended up with the wrong boots. the forward lean (even with removing the shim behind the calf) was far too forward for me and i felt like i was always fighting it, especially in heavy snow. i also felt like the cuff was far too low for me.

fast forward to this year and i've been using a pair of kyrpton pros from 2 years ago with a lange liner. the stance/cuff is working ok for me, but i still don't love the closure and the gappiness at times between the tongue and the shin.

is there any boot out there besides the ones mentioned where i can acheive my goal of a good closure, upright stance, high cuff, narrow, but not stiff as hell? i've tried on the falcon, and it felt good in some respects, but still too far forward on the lean.

thanks for any help you can give me,
post #75 of 152
I visited Jeff in his shop today, and want to let you know that he's in the middle of his normal early-season slam, so be patient... I know he'll drop in here when he can!
post #76 of 152

shell fitting

Hi, would be great to have your opinion on this: I'm trying to find boots for my wife and since most shops in my area wouldn't have her number in store, the only option seems to be ordering online. She is 36, 135lbs and 5'5", beginner/intermediate. I measured her bare sole length to be 9" (23cm), that is 22.5...23 Mondopoint. As I said, most shops here wouldn't have boots under 24. Her feet are rather wide in shape (8.5cm).

I'm about ready to order a pair of boots in size 23, options are: Salomon Irony 6, Nordica Olympia low range, Rossi Axia, unknown Dalbellos. Wonder which of these would be better for her. Any hint welcome.
post #77 of 152
Hello Jeff,

Alright, I am 20 years old, 6'-3", 185. I am athletic and ski mostly blacks, off the piste, and blues for cruisers. My issues is that I ski about 10 days a year being that i'm from texas and can't get out to the mtn's much. I will be moving to CO as soon as I can, either for grad school or for a job after college. I want to get out of rentals and into a pair of boots that will fit me well. I unfortunately don't know much about all of this! I wear a size 13 shoe. The boots always make my shins very sore. Other than that I can't give you more info (because I don't know how to give it). I will do whatever I can to improve your ability to suggest a boot for me, PM me with anymore information you want and i'll do what I can to help!

I will be in Dillon, CO for 5 days skiing (Keystone, A-basin) this year and probably another trip somewhere else to be determined over spring break. I know I haven't given you the best information, but I hope you can atleast point me in the right direction.

Thanks for sharing your invaluable resource! We all appreciate it!

post #78 of 152
Hi Jeff, really appreciate you doing this thread. I'm 5'10" 150lb...I've been skiing for 5-6 years, typically getting 15-20 days a season. I spend 65% of my time on blues and blacks, but I like to mix things up a little and head off into the trees when the conditions are right. I'm on a pair of 170cm Head Monster I.M. 72s I wear a size 10 street shoe, and am in the market for new boots. I have a high instep, wider than normal forefoot, and fairly narrow heel and calf.

1) You previously recommended I try the Falcon 10. I gave this a shot, but both times after wearing it in the shop, walking around afterwards, I've experienced sharp pains in the tendon in my lower calf. It feels like something is snapping. I have limited flexibility in my ankle, and I'm wondering if the amount of forward lean in the Falcons could have caused the pain. While I was in the boots, my calf did begin to hurt. Should I look for a boot with a more upright stance, or work on my flexibility?

2) The salesman told me that if I have limited flexibility in my ankle, I should look for a stiffer boot. Is this an accurate statement?

3) I've yet to find I boot I'm comfortable with buying. The Falcon has held my heel in place better than anything else out there, with some pain in my instep and forefoot that would require work. I tried a Nordica Hot Rod that was a good all-around fit, but was way too stiff. The Beast 10 was really comfortable, but too soft, and wasn't as close a fit as I'm looking for. Which other boots would you recommend I try?

4) Is the Dalbello Krypton worth looking at for my foot? I like the liner it comes with, but don't know if it's the right boot for me. The store I've been visiting has limited models left in my size, but I believe they may have the Krypton.

5) What should I look for to ensure that the shop is doing the right things when making my footbeds? I am going back and forth between having the shop do them, or taking whatever boots I buy to a guy who doesn't sell boots but specializes in them.

Thanks so much,
post #79 of 152

Abducted race boot questions

Hi Jeff,

Thank you for providing this great service. I have learned a lot through the years of reading your posts.

Me: Male masters racer, age 36, 155 lbs, 5’7”, size 9 street shoe
Current Boot: 2004 Atomic Race Tech, Soft, Size 24.0
Foot shape: Narrow forefoot, very narrow heel, low volume instep, high arch
Gait: Abducted stance “duck foot” while walking
Flexibility: With knees flexed 60 degrees I have 30 degrees knee rotation to the inside and only 5 degrees rotation to outside for both feet.

The new abducted stance boots appear that they would allow an additional 4-6 degrees of knee rotation to the outside which would be a great help in achieving parallel leg, two footed angulation as opposed to the out of date “A-frame” stance. I am currently on a stretching program to gain greater knee mobility through stretching the ligaments but it will likely be 2- 3 years before I get as much as 5 degrees greater mobility if then.

Background: The Race Tech is by far the best fitting and performing boot I have owned. Other previous boots have required foam or substantial liner shims and sometimes narrowing the shell by clamping the heel and heating in an oven.

The Race Tech is easier to get out of than my one size larger Lange L10’s. I spoke to a Nordica Doberman skier last year who admitted to having to drive home in his ski boots because he is unable to remove them once they become cold

  • How does the new Fischer 150 plug boot compare to the Atomic Race Tech TI for fit at heel and instep?
  • How does the Nordica Aggressor 150 plug boot compare to the Atomic Race Tech TI for fit at heel and instep?
  • How do the Fischer and the Nordica boots compare to the Atomic Soft (TI 130) for ease of entry and exit when cold?
  • Are these abducted boots suitable to help compensate for my knee flexibility issue?
Thanks in advance, Tim
post #80 of 152
I am 6 foot tall, an advanced intermediate skier with Technica Diablo Magnesium boots and a superfeet kork style footbed (i.e. unweighted). I have been having problems with sixth toe syndrome even after some punching and my question is:

1). Do I punch the boots out some more, or should I do some work on the footbed. From reading this forum and some other stuff, I'm wondering if some padding under the first metatarsal would work, but I don't want to make the problem worse.

2) We'll be in Breckenridge in January - am I better just waiting until I can get to your store? I hate to put 5 or 6 days of painful skiing in before that though.
post #81 of 152
Hello Jef ,

and thank you for this great service to the epic community

Background: male skier, 200 lbs, 5' 11", level 7-8 skier now, 39 YO, wide forefoot, medium arch, narrow ankle , narrow to medium heel , large calf . 11 1/2 street shoes . Preferred terrain is off bounds but will do some piste skiing if i have no other choice. Havent skied last 6 years , used to ski 20+days and up to 100+ early 90s. Used to ski in the States , now Europe and snow conditions here in my hometown small hill are heavy snow and hardpack . Probably this year with Nordica Afterburners and Ficher RX8s.

My last boots were some Salomon Integras with lots and lots and some more of custom fit made by yours trully .

I have a problem with my ankle flexion. Although i have a good range of motion this range is more aft than fore. In other words my ankles dont work all that well in boots with a lot of forward lean built in . My achilles tendon is reaaally hurting every time i went skiing , especially at the begining of the season . Have tried extension exercises but they have only marginally helped .

My question is obvious i think. I need a boot with an upright stance , the more the merrier , that also has forwrad lean adjustment .
1.Which ones do you think fit the bill?
2.I cant pass by your shop , overseas and such , so what would you do in your shop (after deciding on which boot ) to lessen this problem ?

Thank U very much for your help!

post #82 of 152

Big toe(s) pain

Howdy Jeff...

Male, level 6-7 skier, 5'11", 225lbs, 48 , 17 years regular skier, size 10.5 regular shoe, left foot very slightly longer than right.

I purchased a new pair of skis and boots in the off season. Skis (Head Monster i.M. 77 non-chip, 177cm) worked out very well on my first day, really loved them.

Boots...eh. After trying on several pairs of boots, I walked out with a pair of Tecnica Vento 8's, along with custom insoles. Overall fit was excellent, but almost immediately on the mountain I felt my big toes, especially the left, jamming hard into the front of the boot. By afternoon I was in excrutiating pain and could barely finish the day. A week and a half later, the left one still hurts, especially if I apply any downward pressure to the nail. It's definitely darkened under the nail, but doesn't appear like I'll lose it.

I brought them back in to my shop, they noticed I had the back/forward camber set to very stiff, so they throttled that back to loosen it up, and then took the boots in to make some more space for the big toes. They absolutely insisted that the size was right, pulled out the lining and measured a finger's worth of space behind my heel as I stood in the boot. Got them back yesterday, will try them again this Saturday.

Question: does the fitting process they followed sound right? They said I need to give it three or four ski days before they'll take them back and fix me up with a different pair of boots (or different size), is that reasonable? One of my technical weak spots is mediocre knee-bending when I ski (I tend to be upright 80% of the time), the shop insists the boots would fit if I bent my knees properly. Is that fair - correcting my technique to make my boots fit?

Thanks for any advice....
post #83 of 152

Softer boots

Jeff, thanks for all the help you've been here.

I'm 6'-200lbs and have intermediate to advanced skills with expert eyes. (Biting off more than I can chew is a way of life ).
I agree with Plake that groomers are evil machines and should be dealt with as such.
I have a "D" wide foot and have been skiing in Salomon Performa 9 Race boots (Salomon heat moldable liners) for a couple years, always with pain.
I'd decided to look for a softer, more comfortable boot untill reading about softening my own boots.
1-Is this something you'd recommend or not?
2-If so, what are some of the ways you'd recommend to accomplish this.
post #84 of 152
I didn't format properly, so I'll try again. Thanks for reconsidering my question and for your indulgence, Jeff et al...

Male, level 6-7 skier, 5'11", 225lbs, 48, 17 years regular skier, size 10.5 regular shoe, left foot very slightly longer than right. Not overly aggressive skier

I purchased a pair of Tecnica Vento 8's, along with custom insoles during off season. Overall fit was excellent, but immediately on the mountain I felt my big toes, especially the left, jamming hard into the front of the boot. By afternoon I was in excrutiating pain and could barely finish the day. A week and a half later, the left one still hurts, especially if I apply any downward pressure to the nail.

I brought them back in to my shop, they noticed I had the back/forward camber set to very stiff, so they loosened it up, and then took the boots in to make some more space for the big toes. They absolutely insisted that the size was right, pulled out the lining and measured a finger's worth of space behind my heel as I stood in the boot. Got them back yesterday, will try them again this Saturday.

1) does the fitting process they followed sound right?

2) They said I need to give it three or four ski days before they'll take them back and fix me up with a different pair of boots (or different size), is that reasonable?

3) One of my technical weak spots is mediocre knee-bending when I ski (I tend to be upright 80% of the time), the shop insists the boots would fit if I bent my knees properly. Is that fair - correcting my technique to make my boots fit properly?

Thanks again.
post #85 of 152
Hi Jeff,

Background: Male 26 years old, 6'1 205 athletic build, former racer. Looking for something to free ski on (east coast), spend most days on 175cm 6 Stars. I currently own the Icon Alum Comp and the Diablo Race R. Formerly used the Tecnica Explosion and haven't found a boot I like since then . . .

1. I am looking for a boot that will give me a "race-like" fit and performance but that I can ski on all day. The Icon Alum Comp is an acceptable boot, but it isn't as stiff as I would like and seems a little less performance oriented than I would like. The Race R w/ lace up liner is great but it is a little bit too low volume to ski on all day for me. However, my biggest problem with the boot is that it seems to have too much forward lean/ramp?? for me. I feel like I am way over the tips. Is there any boot in between these two you could recommend, hopefully with less forward lean than the Race R?

2. I currently own all 26.5 size boots. Back when I was racing a moved up to a 27 shell but broke it fairly quickly b/c it was too big and I was clamping the buckles down very tight to get it to perform. Now that I 85% of my skiing is recreational should I go to a bigger size? I wear a 10.5 Nike or New Balance running shoe, 9.5M in a "real" dress shoe and a 10 in most other shoes.

post #86 of 152
kestner9, i think i can help. I own the Icon Alu Comp (modified), the Nordica Hot Rod Top Fuel. I owned the Tecnica Race R. I tried on the Tecnica race Pro.

consider a semi-plug w/ upright stance like the Dobermann Pro 130 or HR Top Fuel. Both boots have an upright stance. In fact, they are the same boot but there are some differences which make the HR more versatile than the Pro.The Race R has more forward lean.

I could tell you more but i have to keep it short.
post #87 of 152
Hi Jeff

Let me rewrite my original question #61. Ill try to stick better to the format.

Age: 44
Years on ski: 40, instructor since 94
Height: 190kg 6foot2
Weight: 93kg
Ski: SL and GS racing skis mainly
Boots: Nordica The Beast 2003 model with black spoiler size 29.5 335mm
Skiing ref: http://ski.topeverything.com/default...nt&ID=EA362674

Boot Background
Skied with a pair of 340mm Dynafit F3 with Conformable foam linear from 89 to 02. Great boot, great fit, shell eventually came apart.
Bought a pair of Nordica The Beast fitted with the black spoiler back in 2003. The boot was way too narrow for my foot so a boot fitter widened it for me. It was a bit too short as well so he made it a few mm longer. He draw a pickture of my foot and cut out a cardboard. Then he widened the boot untill the cardboard tenplate would fit. However, I feel he made the boot too flat at the bottom and the linear is a joke. No shape to it, just stick your foot into the boot and tighten untill it feels ok which does not happen. The pressure points are gone though so he got that right. My old Conformable foam linears had a much more supporting shape arround the bottom of my foot and no pressure points. I didnt even have to buckle up porperly. They also had very nice custom footbeads. Since the Nordicas dont fit as well as the Dynafits I have two options:
1. buy new foam linear to the Nordicas
2. buy new boots.
Lets explore the new boots option.

Foot properties
If I fit my foot in a box the box would be 295-300mm x 100-110mm. Bones sticking out are one sharp on the outside part of the foot a little less than half way and then the bone where my little toe is attached. Those cause pain in ski boots. Right foot is worse than left. My instep is not high, averidge or even low for foot size.

Atomic fit surprisingly good!
I tried the Atomic Race Tech CS 100 size 29 and they fit remarcably well. In fact very well. I was surpriced. No pressurepoints and nice arround the heel. But the fit was not 100% gripping my foot, it felt kind of weard arround the top of my ancle. Like there was nothing there. Also the flex was really really soft! Whats up with the flex? My Nordicas are much much stiffer. I thaught these were racing boots.

1. Did my bootfitter do a poor job?
2. Is my right size 29 or 30? (I left out the 29,5 since its the same shell size)
3. Is the Atomic Race Tech CS 100 the right boot for me?
4. Is the Atomic Race Tech CS 130 same boot only stiffer?
5. Is the Head RS 110 Superheat3 an option for me? I can buy Head boots with good disscount but the racing boots have to be ordered and I have to buy if I do.
6. Is the new Speedmashine 14 (size 30 this time) an option for me? I get good disscount on Nordicas as well.

Thanks in advance

post #88 of 152
Hi Jeff,

Thanks for taking the time to answer all of these questions. I am 6'4" 235lbs and a level 8+ skier. I live in the east and split my time between East and West 50/50 and split my time on and off piste 50/50 (I know, not much help). Basically I am all over the place and like to ski (hard) anywhere. I have a thin heel and a pretty medium to low in step, but overall a pretty average foot...nothing funky (except for the smell).

I had a pair of (02/03) Tecnica Icon DP HOT FORM boots for the last couple of years and recently lost them in a move. I wear a size 12/12.5 street shoe, but had these in a 11.5. I think losing these could be a blessing in disguise as I had some real bad chaffing issues on my Achilles tendon. I am now looking for new boots. I ski a Fischer RX 9 (if that is relevant?).

1. Were these the right boots for me? Maybe too soft or maybe I don't have a "tecnica foot"? Prior to these I had a pair of Lange XR 8.5 for YEARS and I loved them, but they got too soft.

2. What other brands would you reccommend and what other models?

3. Did I buy too small? I like a real snug fit, but maybe I over did it?

Thanks for your help!

post #89 of 152
Hi Jeff,

Thank you so much for taking the time to answer these questions.
PS: my brother is still talking about how much easier it is to ski after you fixed his boots and did a custom mount.


Stats: I am a 25 y/o 5'9.5" 150lbs skier. Foot is med-wide forefoot, high instep, med-narrow heel.

Current gear: Nordica Beast (original shopboot from 02-03 /w boosters and orthotics) Garmont G-Ride G-Fit 26.5 (modified with boosters and Flexon Race tongues), Volkl P60 190 GS (P12), Volant Spatulas 186 (P12), Volkl Gotama 183 (NX21), K2 PE 179 (P12ti), BD Havoc 173 (TLT comforts)

Skiing type: I put in about 110+ days a year, 60+% OB/touring 40% in area (85% "off piste" 15% groomed) around SuCo. I am skiing... everything. Steeper the deeper the bigger the better. When touring I'm going for chutes

My ski tips

That's a small one. I don't like to go bigger than 30.

But most of all, going for powder.

Inbounds, I'm going after powder followed by trees, bumps, and rocks. Of course, I have some 190 GS sticks for fun speed when night skiing. On occaision I'll invert or spin but it's not that common.

Touring Boots: For touring I try to use my alpine boots unless it is something more than a short (more than 2500 vert, more than 3 miles, or requires walking on rocks) because I hate te low cut soft AT boots that deform my calves when tightened sufficiently (and they are still soft and unsupportive). I'm thinking of switching to Megarides for dynafit compatibility and possibly adding intuition liners and dalbello krypton stiff tongues instead of the now broken raichle tongues.

Alpine: The Beasts have about 400 days on them. They are sloppy inside now, especially in the heel and ankle. They were a great fit after the first 20 days of forefoot pain. I never needed to buckle anything but the two cuff buckles and the power strap (which I replaced with a booster strap when the stock ran out). I've replaced the heel piece 2X and it needs a third replacement now (in other words I use my boots a long time). I love the high cuff, tongue wedge spoiler, and progressive flex. The only downside is that they are beasts (they weigh 14lbs for the pair).

Alpine Boots Tried: I've tried the Magma (bad instep pain, low cuff), Beast 12 (low cuff, dead flex), and X-Wave 10 (bad instep pain, good flex) all of those too soft. I tried the Hot Rod Top Fuel in a 25 and love it except for some instep pressure and it is insanely stiff compared to my Beasts. I think I like the Speed Machine 14. I need to go back and try the Top Fuel 25 with my orthotics and my usual ultimax thin socks (had medium socks on) and I need to try the Speed Machine 14 in a 25.5 (26/26.5 shell was too big).

1. Can you please contrast the Speed Machhine 14 vs Hot Rod Top Fuel for fit, performance, and longevity (including liners)

2. I think the Top Fuel is quite possibly going to be too stiff especially for some landings and some powder. Can the Top Fuel be softened? Could the instep be dealt with if the orthotics + thin socks don't alleviate the problem?

3. The lack of replacable heel on the Top Fuel greatly concerns me for the boot lifespan considering the insane cost of the boot ($845). I don't want thhem to be out of DIN after just one season. Is there any solution?

4. Neither alpine boots liners seem as high quality as those of my old Beasts... are appearances deceiving?

5. Any other suggestions on other alpine boots to try?

6. Any other suggestions on my AT boot fit/support issues?

Thanks again!
post #90 of 152

Long time lurker here, but I actually joined this forum so I could get some of your expert advice on boots.

5 11, 175lbs, 26yo, very high arches, medium forefoot, medium/small heel. Shoe size is around 11/11.5. Skill level is a solid intermediate. I have good knowledge in most areas but I'm streaky when it comes to applying what I've learned.

Equipment: I just picked up some K2 Public Enemy twintips last year, 169s, that I got on a really good deal. Freestyle and park had previously been undiscovered country to me, and I've been trying these out a bit more lately. At my roots though, I'm just an alpine skier who spends 60% on piste, 40% off (mostly skiing colorado for the off piste, and the tiny IL "mountains" the rest of the time). Rossingol Scratch 120 bindings, and here's the best part: I can't even identify my salomon boots. I'm looking at them right now, and I'm pretty sure they are 5-6 years old, Salomon, and they have that speedfit lacing design that's got 2 buckles + strap & laces. I'm guessing they predate the existing speedlace design at Salomon. Size is 29.5 (so that's 12.5?). I have no pain issues regardless of how long I remain in the boots. Last year in Vail I actually almost came out of my boot on a steep run, though. So clearly they are too big, and clearly I need help.

More info:
I've never had official lessons, but tape and analyze my runs semi-often. I know nothing of race boots, what type of forward lean I'd want, and I'm fairly certain that I can't get the boots really custom modded (maybe some inserts/liner sizing but that's about the most I could do). I'm fairly sure that my boot is seriously hindering my performance, so with that I've got a few questions:

1) I've heard that I should take a look at the Salomon 1080's for park and pipe type activities, where I tend to spend an increasing amount of time. However, I'd like a boot that can at least "perform" in the other conditions. By perform I don't need perfect for each situation like many of the other users. How do these fair on other runs (too much flex?), and should I consider this boot?

2) Have I provided enough information for you to at least narrow down a selection of boots (given the critera above) for me, or do I need more?

Thanks a bunch in advance. I leave for Winter Park in 4 weeks and I'd like to be riding with some new boots so any advice you have would be awesome!
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